win a ball from Bowling.com

Author Topic: Safest temperature for home oven oil extraction?  (Read 22553 times)

bowlingman817

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 639
Safest temperature for home oven oil extraction?
« on: December 31, 2015, 01:11:13 AM »
So what's everyone's take on this subject, is it safe to do and at what temp works the best if so. Was going to try it on some older equipment I have and need to know what temp to use and for how long.

 

charlest

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24523
Re: Safest temperature for home oven oil extraction?
« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2015, 03:55:39 PM »
Kitchen Aid dishwasher set to Hi-heat..Works like a charm..I used a dishwashing tablet in there just as if washing dishes. Put a Hyper Cell and a Black Widow Legend in the bottom rack, turned the holes down. Let it go thru the entire cycle. The Cell really looked like a totally different ball. ball reaction is like new.

See what the Hi-Heat setting does in your manual.
If it does what I think it does, heat the water beyond what the temperature at which it arrives from your house water heater, that is a very bad idea. That temperature can get up to 180 - 200 degrees. The maximum temperature to which you should expose a ball is 125 - 140 degrees. Above that, in theory,  the plasticizer, the chemical that helps urethane become resin, is extracted. Do that enough and you wind up with a urethane ball. :)

Heck, in many cases, the house water heater is set to 160 degrees which by itself is way too hot for a bowling ball. Both Storm and Brunswick, on every ball box, say specifically that subjecting a ball to more than 125 degrees voids the warranty.


In theory I agree with you charlest.  However, I seriously doubt anyone's tap water from their water heater exceeds 120-130°F.  Adding additional heat from a dishwasher may add 15-20°F so assuming a normal hot water temp of 120°F plus an additional 20°F from the Hi-Temp setting you would still be in the 140°F range.

But if someone has adjusted their water heater to a higher setting, then who knows.  Best to check instead of blindly think it is okay.

I would be more worried about the drying feature on the dishwasher.  I would definitely turn that off.

Believe me, I have heard the horror stories, YES, home hot waters heater can be sett that high. I would not trust dishwashers to add only what you want them to add. Check your manual to see if they specify the heat addition.

Don't let me stop you from doing what you think you should, but I try to err on the side of caution.
"None are so blind as those who will not see."

luv2C10falll

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1328
Re: Safest temperature for home oven oil extraction?
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2015, 04:36:24 PM »
I've been a plumbing contractor since 89' and your average home water heater can hit 210 degrees on its highest setting. Be careful with that !

ccrider

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2230
Re: Safest temperature for home oven oil extraction?
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2015, 05:20:40 PM »
Charllest, how many  balls have you swooped in an oven that holds a constant temp?

TheGom

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 577
Re: Safest temperature for home oven oil extraction?
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2015, 07:04:50 PM »
Charllest, how many  balls have you swooped in an oven that holds a constant temp?
I've been a plumbing contractor since 89' and your average home water heater can hit 210 degrees on its highest setting. Be careful with that !

Another one bite's the dust....hey!

charlest

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24523
Re: Safest temperature for home oven oil extraction?
« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2015, 08:22:28 PM »
Charllest, how many  balls have you swooped in an oven that holds a constant temp?

"swooped"?
What type of oven?
"None are so blind as those who will not see."

ccrider

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2230
Re: Safest temperature for home oven oil extraction?
« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2015, 11:04:48 PM »
That's Apple for you; baked not swooped? My guess is you knew that  and took the easy out.

I have used my oven over one hundred times. Had one ball crack although I can't say it would not have cracked any way.

The oven was much more effective than hot water baths. Never had any fire issues. Did forget to put the drip pan in a couple of times which made the misses upset.

Finally bit the bullet and purchased a rejuvenator two ball oven.  Since purchasing it I have had several balls crack. Again, can't say it was the oven's fault.

I guess an idiot can start a fire any number of ways, and can crack a bowling ball in about as many ways. The don't ever use your oven warning is, for the most part, a bunch of unsubstantiated bs.

An oven that heats evenly and that has an accurate thermostat can be used about as effectively as a rejuvenator oven if the person is willing to rotate the ball and wipe oil from the surface during the process.

charlest

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24523
Re: Safest temperature for home oven oil extraction?
« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2016, 05:16:04 AM »
That's Apple for you; baked not swooped? My guess is you knew that  and took the easy out.

I have used my oven over one hundred times. Had one ball crack although I can't say it would not have cracked any way.

The oven was much more effective than hot water baths. Never had any fire issues. Did forget to put the drip pan in a couple of times which made the misses upset.

Finally bit the bullet and purchased a rejuvenator two ball oven.  Since purchasing it I have had several balls crack. Again, can't say it was the oven's fault.

I guess an idiot can start a fire any number of ways, and can crack a bowling ball in about as many ways. The don't ever use your oven warning is, for the most part, a bunch of unsubstantiated bs.

An oven that heats evenly and that has an accurate thermostat can be used about as effectively as a rejuvenator oven if the person is willing to rotate the ball and wipe oil from the surface during the process.

No, I didn't take the easy way out. If I have something to say, I say. I don't play games.

If you've been able to do the oven thing without harming ball or household I think you've been lucky and been intelligent enough to do the right thing. I still don't recommend it. I've heard all the horror stories here before and in this thread.  Not everyone has  $3000 oven that can keep temps within a small range and not everyone is cautious enough to do it . Guys have said, here in similar threads, that their wives or girl friends will not let them put bowling balls in ovens of dishwashers.

I would never try a home oven myself. I have tried the hot water bath with Dawn rbefore I got a NuBall oil extractor. No ball has ever cracked in it.
"None are so blind as those who will not see."

kidlost2000

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5789
Re: Safest temperature for home oven oil extraction?
« Reply #23 on: January 01, 2016, 10:31:39 AM »
Ideally hot water is the most effective method because of the density of water vs air. I use a diy oven but eventually will try a diy method with warm water that doesnt use a dishwasher.

It is about energy. Here is a video i did a while back in reference to the same subject

…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

ccrider

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2230
Re: Safest temperature for home oven oil extraction?
« Reply #24 on: January 01, 2016, 01:46:21 PM »
Given the choices of no extraction, hot water bath or using my oven, I would choose the oven. I say this after facing these options for a couple of years.  When the opportunity presented itself, I purchased a two ball rejuvenator oven. The rejuvenator oven makes the job easy, but if I did not have one, I would not hesitate to use my oven, making sure to keep the temperature around 125 and wiping the ball regularly.

MI 2 AZ

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8152
Re: Safest temperature for home oven oil extraction?
« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2016, 02:19:25 PM »
When all is said and done, it comes down to personal choice.  Do what you feel comfortable with.  I don't feel comfortable playing Russian Roulette, but many do.  :)

_________________________________________
Six decades of league bowling and still learning.

ABC/USBC Lifetime Member since Aug 1995.

LuckyLefty

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17348
Re: Safest temperature for home oven oil extraction?
« Reply #26 on: January 01, 2016, 02:22:05 PM »
I would so NOT ever use an oven to bake plastic objects in my home oven where I cook food that I can't even imagine it.

When there are such great tools like adrenaline wipes or your local pro shops oven.
These will  extract oil and be safe for you and your family. 

Have you ever heard of BPA?  Saving money vs health problems, oh my!

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/bpa/faq-20058331

Regards,

Luckylefty


It takes Courage to have Faith, and Faith to have Courage.

James M. McCurley, New Orleans, Louisiana

RevLefty

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 901
Re: Safest temperature for home oven oil extraction?
« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2016, 08:19:54 AM »
easiest way to do for me is 5 gal bucket half fill kitty litter or oil dryplace ball in pour more kitty litter in til can't see ball. I place 20 dollar space heater next to bucket rotate buck every half hour for to hours works like a charm cheap easy works great and you can reuse kitty litter then resurface if need to but it makes a world of difference and is safe for the ball it only needs to be warm enough to bring oil out which a space heater does the job. my .02 take it for what its worth just saying works great.

JohnN

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 311
Re: Safest temperature for home oven oil extraction?
« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2016, 12:01:14 PM »
Asked Innovative about the temperature range on their personal model was 125-145 . Best around 140.

six pack

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2799
Re: Safest temperature for home oven oil extraction?
« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2016, 12:43:31 PM »
IMO, If you clean your equipment after every use I highly doubt you would need to cook the oil out of your ball. Improper surface management is probably more to blame for reaction loss over oil absorption.
The harder I try the harder they fall

RevLefty

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 901
Re: Safest temperature for home oven oil extraction?
« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2016, 02:39:10 PM »
don't matter how much you clean balls these ball cover stocks have big pores I have tried both ways reactives and particles soak up oil. regardless if you wipe off or not. don't believe me leave you ball in your car on a hot summer day and watch how much oil comes out of it. it does affect reaction after about 60+games from my experience depending on the cover stock. but to each is own. my .02 again