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Same ball different layout and surface
« on: April 30, 2019, 02:12:21 PM »
Have you ever had more than 1 of the same ball, but with a different layout and surface prep?

This came to my mind after watching this video: https://youtu.be/1Q60vr5kW2Y

I was wondering how feasible it would be to head into nationals (or a sport shot league) with an arsenal of the same ball. E.g. I'm imaging here that a pure Phaze II arsenal with different layouts and surface preps would cover a wide spectrum of lane conditions.

 

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Re: Same ball different layout and surface
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2019, 06:05:10 AM »
Although there may be no answer that works for every bowler, I am (personally) in favor of same layout but different surface.  It just seems to work better for me.
 
If you have a particular layout that gives you more "forgiveness" then you will always gravitate back to that ball when push comes to shove, or the final few frames of an important game.
 
It has been well-covered in this site over the years that surface changes will have a more direct impact on reaction than other variables, including layout, since it is the cover of the ball that is in direct contact with the lane surface.

Recently I did find a ball that has been amazingly versatile for me, so I tried an entirely different layout on ball#2 of that same model.  Although ball #2 is still good, I trust ball #1 better because it's layout compliments my goofy style better.

With many great balls to use on any given night, certain ones just match up with what my eyes are expecting to see, thus instilling confidence and better performance from me.

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Re: Same ball different layout and surface
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2019, 07:09:30 AM »
Wasn't there a bowler on hear about 10 to 12 years ago who had 15 Track Rule GP2s drilled different ways and surface changes..??
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Re: Same ball different layout and surface
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2019, 07:18:57 AM »
Yes - but it was Robo Rules - not GP2s


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Re: Same ball different layout and surface
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2019, 09:14:46 AM »
Yes as well.. They also did it with GP2s.. cant remember his name..

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Re: Same ball different layout and surface
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2019, 11:43:38 AM »
Common to hear about people with multiple IQ Tours with different drillings and surface.  Super versatile ball.  Radical Fix tried to say the same with drillings but cover was way too strong to be very versatile.
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Re: Same ball different layout and surface
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2019, 12:33:43 PM »
Ask the urethane guys how many purple hammers or pitch blacks they have, all drilled differently.  When you find a cover/core combination that matches up good for you, you can totally roll with more than one of the same ball. 

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Re: Same ball different layout and surface
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2019, 02:27:10 PM »
Ask the urethane guys how many purple hammers or pitch blacks they have, all drilled differently.  When you find a cover/core combination that matches up good for you, you can totally roll with more than one of the same ball.

see i can see this argument, but on the flip side, i don't see the point of certain moves where you drill a strong ball weak because you like the ball.

and the problem is you tend to see this most on guys who only stick with one company.  Take the Radical fanatics as an example.  they've convinced their customers that you're better off taking a strong ball and putting a low flare layout on it as opposed to a weaker and cheaper option and putting an aggressive layout on the ball.


The way I look at it, between all the brands, there should be no holes in options.  and the reaction you're looking to get from drilling a ball differently and manipulating the surface is probably better slotted for a ball designed to do what you want your special layout and surface change to do

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Re: Same ball different layout and surface
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2019, 04:42:47 PM »
Ask the urethane guys how many purple hammers or pitch blacks they have, all drilled differently.  When you find a cover/core combination that matches up good for you, you can totally roll with more than one of the same ball.

see i can see this argument, but on the flip side, i don't see the point of certain moves where you drill a strong ball weak because you like the ball.

and the problem is you tend to see this most on guys who only stick with one company.  Take the Radical fanatics as an example.  they've convinced their customers that you're better off taking a strong ball and putting a low flare layout on it as opposed to a weaker and cheaper option and putting an aggressive layout on the ball.


The way I look at it, between all the brands, there should be no holes in options.  and the reaction you're looking to get from drilling a ball differently and manipulating the surface is probably better slotted for a ball designed to do what you want your special layout and surface change to do

To be fair to Radical they do release pretty good mid and lower tier symmetric balls like the Intel, Cyclops and Rack Attacks but they don't have the margin so hear less about them.  The Fix was not one of those balls.  It needs volume regardless of surface or drilling.
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Re: Same ball different layout and surface
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2019, 01:14:48 AM »
Really tempted to do this with the Match Up Black Pearl. My go-to surface with my first one was a worn 2000 by hand. I left my ball up from it at home to force myself to rely on it while subbing in a non scratch league, so I took it to worn 1000 by hand. Ended up shooting 300 in game 2 and definitely had the look game 1 if I knew the moves and threw it better. Tried a higher surface on it around when i first got it and it seemed to roll really well. Based on the feeback here, sounds like I should use the same layout. Too bad someone walked off with my first one.
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Re: Same ball different layout and surface
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2019, 05:34:03 PM »
Between 2012 and 2015 I drilled 7 original Divas with 4 different layouts and have tinkered with every surface from 500 up to factory gloss polish.  In my opinion, the Diva is DV8's most middle of the road piece (med strength sym solid, med rg, high diff) and the most versatile piece I have ever thrown.

As much as I trust that ball and could tune it with surfaces and layouts, the traction that an asym solid can give you on fresh heavy oil and the length that a lower diff pearl can give you on burn just cannot be replaced.  On top of that, the shapes and varied responses that other coverstocks could add to my bag would fill in gaps that my Divas couldn't replicate.

I hate to say it, but there is a reason why manufacturers work with so many different coverstocks and offer cores with a wide variety of rg's/diff's.  The golf analogy has been worn to death, but me scuffing my Diva for oil is like hitting a 1 iron off the tee instead of a driver or bending my 7 iron to have more loft, then opening the club face to hit a flop instead of hitting a wedge.  Sometimes there are just better options if we are willing to take some risk and try them.  Playing safe with my favorite ball x multiple surfaces and layouts is a safe way to stay around the pocket to cash a check, but its also good strategy to take on a little risk in order to win.
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Re: Same ball different layout and surface
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2019, 05:47:07 PM »
Between 2012 and 2015 I drilled 7 original Divas with 4 different layouts and have tinkered with every surface from 500 up to factory gloss polish.  In my opinion, the Diva is DV8's most middle of the road piece (med strength sym solid, med rg, high diff) and the most versatile piece I have ever thrown.

As much as I trust that ball and could tune it with surfaces and layouts, the traction that an asym solid can give you on fresh heavy oil and the length that a lower diff pearl can give you on burn just cannot be replaced.  On top of that, the shapes and varied responses that other coverstocks could add to my bag would fill in gaps that my Divas couldn't replicate.

I hate to say it, but there is a reason why manufacturers work with so many different coverstocks and offer cores with a wide variety of rg's/diff's.  The golf analogy has been worn to death, but me scuffing my Diva for oil is like hitting a 1 iron off the tee instead of a driver or bending my 7 iron to have more loft, then opening the club face to hit a flop instead of hitting a wedge.  Sometimes there are just better options if we are willing to take some risk and try them.  Playing safe with my favorite ball x multiple surfaces and layouts is a safe way to stay around the pocket to cash a check, but its also good strategy to take on a little risk in order to win.

I agree. I could definitely do 2 of the same, 3 would probably be my max. But I personally haven't found something I'd want to have 3 at one time because there are so many other options out there.

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Re: Same ball different layout and surface
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2019, 12:07:43 AM »
I did 2 Absolute Nirvana's, one was pin down the other pin up ( polished) and made a killing with them didn't have to make any big moves and worked out wonderful ,plus I did it years ago with the Special Agent and had great success and few honor scores

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Re: Same ball different layout and surface
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2019, 09:14:41 AM »
I've always felt that if you really like the reaction a ball gives you then you shouldn't fear drilling another one.  I've almost always had 2 of the same balls in my bag with different layouts.  Which a ball matches up or simply is just a good piece, then heck ya drill a couple of them.

Right now I have 3 Halos and 2 Winners in my bag.

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Re: Same ball different layout and surface
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2019, 10:10:08 AM »
Hi, have I introduced you to any ball with the Break core in it?

I literally could have a bag with just that weight block in it. Covert @2000, Black @4000, Shadow OOB