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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Zanatos1914 on January 14, 2014, 11:19:32 AM
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Maybe I am going through a point in my game but trying to figure out which is important, " Scoring or Being Precise ". This is my feeling on open house shot, swing or rolling the ball up hard enough with medium revs, hit dry and you will strike more... ( Playing Area ) .... Trying to hit the same board and controlling rotation is harder for me and my scores have dropped...
Which is more important.
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Execution, do what you intended to do.
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Which is more important.
How does your league determine points? Is it by pin fall or how good of a shot you make?
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Scoring well just makes me more forgiving of my errors. People look at me strange when I strike on a poorly excecuted shot and I walk back shaking my head. I expect execution and I don't let the score dictate my results to me, only to others.
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Find the line that strikes and be as precise as possible in repeating that shot. Make adjustments as necessary.
Accept the occasional lucky shot and learn from it at the same time.
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Precision in execution is an advantage on any type of condition. If you are talking about precision in terms of playing straighter, then that is another matter. Straighter can be a disadvantage on house shots because the over under of a heavy oil buildup against a bone dry outside promotes better carry from a power release. On flatter patterns the straighter delivery can still carry very well
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The key is to improve your accuracy without trying to be too precise or you will be too tight to have good, consistent execution.
It's not something that is going to be learned while you're bowling for score, or practicing once a week.
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Find the line that strikes and be as precise as possible in repeating that shot. Make adjustments as necessary.
Accept the occasional lucky shot and learn from it at the same time.
Couldn't agree more.
Have to laugh at the accept the occasional lucky shot only because some people don't think they should take it. Last I checked, I've never seen a bowler throw a brook and come back saying that he/she wanted to do the shot over again because it wasn't right.
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People look at me strange when I strike on a poorly excecuted shot and I walk back shaking my head.
THIS!
I get this too....
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The key is to improve your accuracy without trying to be too precise or you will be too tight to have good, consistent execution.
It's not something that is going to be learned while you're bowling for score, or practicing once a week.
Sometimes it is amazing, the knowledge that is cryptically hidden inside some of your messages.
I wonder just how many really understood what you just said.
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I can walk out of a alley at the end of the night feeling good about the way I bowled....
even if it is like a 620 set. League play for me is all about hitting my targets and making my spares. If I threw the ball good, it was a good night.
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Back at you to the original poster?
What is your objective?
Regards,
Luckylefty
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Back at you to the original poster?
What is your objective?
Regards,
Luckylefty
Objective - 2 be able to repeat the same line from front to back and get the same rotation on the ball. If adjustments are needed being able to hit the exact board without going to over or under... Maybe I am crazy but I beleive I should be able to strike with any ball I pull out of the bag with proper adjustment. I understand each ball is designed for certain patterns but with adjustments any ball should work...
Maybe I am crazy and my expections are 2 high..
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Back at you to the original poster?
What is your objective?
Regards,
Luckylefty
Objective - 2 be able to repeat the same line from front to back and get the same rotation on the ball. If adjustments are needed being able to hit the exact board without going to over or under... Maybe I am crazy but I beleive I should be able to strike with any ball I pull out of the bag with proper adjustment. I understand each ball is designed for certain patterns but with adjustments any ball should work...
Maybe I am crazy and my expections are 2 high..
Yes, your expectations are too high. A more practical approach is "I should be able to hit the pocket with any ball I pull out".
Expecting to strike with any ball falls in line with the ridiculous, ignorant, arrogant ballreviews.com mantra of "THS is so easy, yet I average 188 & have no honor scores In over a decade of bowling".
Try using a high pin, high RG, shiny pearl ball on a overwalled/extreme wet/dry condition and try to expect to strike.
Expecting to strike is asking for a lot of frustration. All you can do is hit the pocket.
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I think a good bowler should be able to hit the pocket with anything in their bag, even on flatter patterns. However, carry can be a much different matter if you are a lower rev guy playing the non THS patterns.
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It's less nerve racking to get close and carry, than it is to smash and get "tapped" You can't always be perfect. find the carry spot and be as precise to that spot as you can.
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If it was possible to hit one exact board and make adjustments to strike with any ball then everyone would only own one ball.
Now I've seen a lot of bowlers that have 6 balls that all react alike, but that's a whole other Oprah.
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If it was possible to hit one exact board and make adjustments to strike with any ball then everyone would only own one ball.
It's possible, just very improbable that anyone has the talent to adjust their game/hand/speed to make this happen.
For the rest of us, we have a big roller full of toys.
;D
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Back at you to the original poster?
What is your objective?
Regards,
Luckylefty
Objective - 2 be able to repeat the same line from front to back and get the same rotation on the ball. If adjustments are needed being able to hit the exact board without going to over or under... Maybe I am crazy but I beleive I should be able to strike with any ball I pull out of the bag with proper adjustment. I understand each ball is designed for certain patterns but with adjustments any ball should work...
Maybe I am crazy and my expections are 2 high..
Yes, your expectations are too high. A more practical approach is "I should be able to hit the pocket with any ball I pull out".
Expecting to strike with any ball falls in line with the ridiculous, ignorant, arrogant ballreviews.com mantra of "THS is so easy, yet I average 188 & have no honor scores In over a decade of bowling".
Try using a high pin, high RG, shiny pearl ball on a overwalled/extreme wet/dry condition and try to expect to strike.
Expecting to strike is asking for a lot of frustration. All you can do is hit the pocket.
Well said. Well said, indeed.
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When I am feeling sharp, I can control the pocket and carry. When my game is off I don't score - there is a direct correlation between execution and scoring.
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I must stop watching the pro videos because that is really amazing they strike that much... I will admit that I was caught up watching them and wanting to do the same... Will except what I get and try and have a good time...
Thanks for the feed back...
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Biggest challenge in bowling for good players is to recognize when you made poor shot, and when you need to make an adjustment or ball change. Here is something that has happened to me, and I have seen it happen to a lot of guys. You are throwing the ball great, and have a nice string going.
suddenly you go through the beak, but you know you didn't make as good a shot, so you try to make a better one on the next shot. More often than not, you do make a good shot and still go through the beak again. What happens is that the shot is transitioning a bit on every ball during your string, but you don't get feedback from the lane until you make a less than perfect shot. You have to make a move, and make sure you execute in such a situation.
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Biggest challenge in bowling for good players is to recognize when you made poor shot, and when you need to make an adjustment or ball change. Here is something that has happened to me, and I have seen it happen to a lot of guys. You are throwing the ball great, and have a nice string going.
suddenly you go through the beak, but you know you didn't make as good a shot, so you try to make a better one on the next shot. More often than not, you do make a good shot and still go through the beak again. What happens is that the shot is transitioning a bit on every ball during your string, but you don't get feedback from the lane until you make a less than perfect shot. You have to make a move, and make sure you execute in such a situation.
To piggy-back on this, the better bowlers can and will make moves BEFORE they get the negative feedback. There is a reason the pros are so good on the difficult shots. They can anticipate the needed changes before something negative happens.
As a league bowler, you can do the same thing. Hopefully, your shot is somewhat consistent week-to-week. If you know that at the end of the 1st game the shot starts to get drier, then make the move in advance of the high shot. All it takes is some observations from each week's bowling to get a good idea.
I once had the front 20 before I left a 2-pin (light). I came back and a guy on my team asked me why that one didn't strike. I told him I made a move in anticipation and it was too soon. He was flabbergasted I moved at all. I told him I had already moved 4 boards since practice. After discussing it further, he began to understand and his average the rest of the year improved considerably.
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My first year of bowling left handed I had a chance to be around some incredible bowlers. They do call me Lucky.
One currently has the high average in a hot bowling county I believe if not 250 for a season real close. The year I met him he averaged 236 with one pair of shoes and an old Sapphire zone every week. He had been busy building a very successful business for almost 10 years and had hardly bowled.
He told me "when I feel like I can hit this(he held his fingers 3 inches apart) at the arrows and strike, I can hit this"(he held his fingers 1/2 inch apart).
The second bowler was a multiple time regional winner picking up all his spares and averaging 219 and bragging about splicing boards and not being rewarded for it! His body position was all over the place to be one of the "most accurate bowlers in America" As we talked about creating area on league conditions and the goal of balancing revs and speed over the next few years he posted averages of right near 240. He has also gone on to being a nationally known performer on the Senior tour and capable of now throwing more 300s and 800s than ever before in his bowling career. He no longer worries about splicing on a league shot.
The third bowler was one of the best league bowlers I ever saw. He said if you find the right spot and match up with the right ball you almost have 3 boards at the arrows if not 4 if you focus on timing and balance at the foul line.
When big money non sanctioned tournaments came around I can't count the number of 780s to 820s I saw him throw.
Recently I came in contact with whom I believe is one of the best bowlers in the world and he was excited as he talked about miss area and how he enjoyed finding it on both sides of his intended lines. Of course he noted the amount of miss area is dramatically less on the Pro Tour and sport shots than league.
To me this validated a few things.
1. There are no machines (except Earl and that Brunswick Robot guy).
2. Free swings are inhibited if one focuses on 1/2 boards and the like
3. Finding and using miss area is done at all levels of the game by high scorers!
Regards,
Luckylefty
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Good Stuff.....
Last question...
This is going to be league play should I play a ball that will give me more room or attempt to play tight and strike... Room = High scores & Tight = accuracy and better on the long term..
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Practice is the time to practice and when the arrows are on it's time to do whatever it is to make the score the highest. Bowling is only measured by score.
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Well Said!
Stand in the right place, pick the right piece and mark to have miss both ways, swing free!
Regards,
Luckylefty
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Rolling honor scores is great, however the true objective is to bowl better than your opponent(s)...that's how tournaments are won. Although I would all like to average 250+, realistically I want to bowl well at the right time to beat my opponent(s) in league play or a tournament. Winning is the goal !!!
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.....the true objective is to bowl better than your opponent(s)...that's how tournaments are won. Although I would all like to average 250+, realistically I want to bowl well at the right time to beat my opponent(s) in league play or a tournament. Winning is the goal !!!
YES! 259 > 249 = 185 > 180, again, in a tourney setting.
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Piggy backing on all of that: I bowl in a league that has a drier, lite oil THS. I know this and I also know the transition usually is in blocks of 4 frames. So if I throw four strikes in a row, I am already anticipating a move in my fifth frame. This is almost a lock, from my observations. I can't tell you how many front five games I've had in this league, only to shoot 198, or 205 because I didn't read the change.
Also, a good buddy of mine always says, "it's not what you shoot, it's when you shoot it!!"
Case in point......last Monday another buddy of mine shot 299!! Great score! But didn't win diddly because another guy shot 300!!!
Whereas in the third game of that same set, a 258 high game took all the money after the lanes had transitioned.