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Steven

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Scotchbrite Sanding
« on: September 25, 2019, 10:28:27 AM »
I was cleaning out some cabinets yesterday and uncovered a few boxes of maroon and green scotchbrite from probably 20 years ago. Like many, I graduated to the newer surface pads over the years (Abralon, etc.) and mostly forgot about the older abrasives.
 
Is anyone here using lower grit scotchbrite on the newer coverstock surfaces? I've never been thrilled with the longevity of Abralon/Siaair, and found the JOEST Use-It pads to be no more durable. I have a few rarely used balls I'm going to experiment with, but just curious about the experience of others.
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Jesse James

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Re: Scotchbrite Sanding
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2019, 10:49:06 AM »
I love the scotch bite pads!!

I use the fresh green, gray or maroon ones when doing a complete resurface, but my old beat up, much used green pad is the most effective one at getting a uniform surface. I just alter the time, pressure and water content when using my spinner.

The final effect is way better than the abralons most times!
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Re: Scotchbrite Sanding
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2019, 11:11:15 AM »
Yeah from what I understand particle balls also absorb oil faster so require more maintenance as well in general.  Thus Joe Q Public developed a bad perception of them (but still buy the OG Idol but I digress) and to be honest the first few generations longevity really were crap.  But back on topic hard to go wrong with scotch brites and easy enough to find them in paint section of any Home Depot.
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Re: Scotchbrite Sanding
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2019, 11:43:10 AM »
Auto paint supply stores will likely be a good source.  Years ago I found a box of gold pads there and they are great for the 1500 - 2000 range.  I'd be willing to bet you could find them all over the internet.

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Re: Scotchbrite Sanding
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2019, 12:02:22 PM »
People forget that particle balls were still reactive resin base.  As such they would absorb oil, especially with a fairly aggressive finish to begin with
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Re: Scotchbrite Sanding
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2019, 04:42:04 PM »
Maroon Scotch-Brite pads are 320 grit. At that number, the CAMI and the FEPA numbers are the same.

Green Scotch-Brite pads are 600 grit CAMI; that's approximately 1200 grit FEPA.

Since they use the same abrasive, silicon carbide, as Abralon and Jost pads; the difference is not the abrasive but the woven material to which it is attached. The Scotch-Brite pads seemed to affect the particles in the old Columbia based particles balls less than Abralon and sandpaper. Brunswick particle balls used such hard particles that they need to have Trizact pads used on them to affect the resin AND the particles.

Older Lane Masters balls, like the Yeah Baby and the New Standard, used diamond dust as the particles; so they were not affect by anything except diamond pads; Trizact pads came close and did the best job for the money (diamond pads at that time were major bucks)
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Re: Scotchbrite Sanding
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2019, 04:46:43 PM »
Quote from: Steven on September 25, 2019, 10:28:27 AM
I was cleaning out some cabinets yesterday and uncovered a few boxes of maroon and green scotchbrite from probably 20 years ago. Like many, I graduated to the newer surface pads over the years (Abralon, etc.) and mostly forgot about the older abrasives.
 
Is anyone here using lower grit scotchbrite on the newer coverstock surfaces? I've never been thrilled with the longevity of Abralon/Siaair, and found the JOEST Use-It pads to be no more durable. I have a few rarely used balls I'm going to experiment with, but just curious about the experience of others.

Steven,

No sanding lasts beyond maybe 6 games if you're lucky. I think that was shown a number of years ago by testing. Even new synthetics lane, that look and feel so smooth,  will wear down a freshly sanded 750-1000 grit ball down to 4500 - 5000 by the end of 4-7 games or so. Balls need constant refreshing by hand.

I think that wear test was posted here something like the 4-7 years ago that I mentioned above. I don't recall who did that testing or who posted it.
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Re: Scotchbrite Sanding
« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2019, 05:40:59 PM »
Quote from: charlest on September 26, 2019, 04:46:43 PM

Steven,

No sanding lasts beyond maybe 6 games if you're lucky. I think that was shown a number of years ago by testing. Even new synthetics lane, that look and feel so smooth,  will wear down a freshly sanded 750-1000 grit ball down to 4500 - 5000 by the end of 4-7 games or so. Balls need constant refreshing by hand.

I think that wear test was posted here something like the 4-7 years ago that I mentioned above. I don't recall who did that testing or who posted it.

 
You and I have been exchanging refresh/refinish ideas for years. No question that covers need constant tweaking to keep a consistent reaction.
 
Having all these scotchbrite pads I had forgot about just got me thinking about putting them to use. As I mentioned, I'll get around to experimenting on a few older balls. I've never used them with compound as notclay suggested, so I'll give that a try.
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johns811

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Re: Scotchbrite Sanding
« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2019, 11:00:49 AM »
I have been hitting my AMF particle ball with green pad lightly on the spinner before every set. Works great.
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Re: Scotchbrite Sanding
« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2019, 12:44:16 PM »
I used to do the bowling balls with them. But I have use trucut and there's gensisbowling that have pads as well.
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Re: Scotchbrite Sanding
« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2019, 01:40:14 PM »
The CTD Tru-Cut pads work best for me.  They are just as good as the Abralon and Siaair pads, but they last a lot longer.  My new favorite pad is the P5000D pad.  I can shine my balls with that pad on my spinner and still have some "teeth" underneath.  Cool!

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