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leenhouston

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Scribing the layout on a ball
« on: August 03, 2012, 06:13:03 AM »
Would someone please explain the logic of scribing a layout into the surface of the ball, other than "it is easier to replicate the layout". I see no purpose to it other than to mess up the appearance of a ball and if it is ever re-drilled, the original scribe is now a nuisance, not help and quite frankly, any decent ball driller should be able to easily replicate a layout without having lines to copy.

I like to try new equipment so I pick up a lot of used equipment and plug and drill it myself so that I can save some money. Quite frankly, I will typically pass on a ball that is scribed.

I know it doesn't affect performance but it is a trend I would like to see go away.

If I'm missing something here, please tell me.
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kidlost2000

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Re: Scribing the layout on a ball
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2012, 03:20:11 AM »
Makes sense in reference to quanity of bowling balls laid out and drilled and not wanting to erase the layout from the ball.

For accuracy you can always make the grease pencil sharper for thin lines. If you can hit that, etching it won't make you better. It will make it easier to see how much you missed by lol
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Re: Scribing the layout on a ball
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2012, 10:00:55 AM »
I don't see a huge deal with scribing. I leave it up to the customer, after all it is their purchase.  There is also different ways to scribe, one being scribing the entire drilling layout and the other just scribing the actual cut lines which you barely can see if you're hitting your lines.
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Re: Scribing the layout on a ball
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2014, 05:33:32 PM »
I scribe all my balls before drilling. I use a mill press with digital display and just like knowing I'm hitting exactly what my lines are. I don't drill for too many other people and they request the scribe lines as well.
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Bowl_Freak

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Re: Scribing the layout on a ball
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2014, 08:56:19 PM »
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. First of all, if someone buys a ball and wants to scribe it, that is their right. I try and scribe all my stuff because it is more accurate and looks professional. Sotthat's fine if tou don't like it, just don't buy the used ball then. What's the big issue with people doing it or the purpose of this post.
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Re: Scribing the layout on a ball
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2014, 02:26:25 AM »
I scribe all my stuff, but I may lay it out and not drill it for a period of time, because my customers' equipment comes first, and I don't want the grease pencil lines to get erased.

I scribe for very few customers anymore, but I will scribe a small line below the thumb hole for people who use the Vise IT, so they can see if their thumb is lined up properly, as they may not have heard or felt the thumb click into place.

As Sean said, for him, myself, and a couple others that drill MANY balls, I write the dual angle numbers on the ball next to the ring finger so I and they can remember the layout numbers, but this is only a couple guys.

We used to scribe a lot of balls for customers, rarely did anyone complain, but I don't do it very often anymore.  I feel it is more accurate, specially when going fast, but I try not to go too fast anymore, quality over quantity.
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Re: Scribing the layout on a ball
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2014, 08:09:44 AM »
Scribed or not, you still have to be able to hit lines.  Russell said it best.  Lol harsh, but honest.  But as far as speed, scribing cuts out several steps, so like Rico said, no way he drills 216 balls in a day without scribing, not possible.  But as far as accuracy, that has to do with your skills measuring and then hitting lines.  I'd say if you're CONSISTENTLY accurate to 1/32-1/64, that's about as good as you can reasonably ask for.  Everybody here has absolutely nailed layouts repeatedly, but we've all had those balls that end up a little longer or shorter than they should have. 
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Re: Scribing the layout on a ball
« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2014, 10:26:10 AM »

It's personal preference.  Nothing more, nothing less.  There are pencil sharpeners that do fine work when used.
 
Some drillers go crazy with the scribe lines.  Mine, when scribed, are about 1/2" long.  I draw some lines in pencil on every ball, then hand it to my driller.  If he uses a scribe it's no big deal UNLESS HE MISSES THE SCRIBED LINES, then I would give him some serious ribbing.  I've never seen him miss though. ;)


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Re: Scribing the layout on a ball
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2014, 10:56:53 AM »
Scribed lines can be a shocker when you're buying a used ball and the seller does not tell you it has deep, deep scribed lines. When you see scribed lines deeper than almost any scratch and you intended to redrill the ball so the lines wind up near the oil lines, you can get a little "miffed", to say the least!!!

I had received one such ball before I ever knew about scribing and let me tell you, I was one unhappy camper. I must have sanded that ball into a marble and I still couldn't get rid of those scribed lines.
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Re: Scribing the layout on a ball
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2014, 01:33:12 PM »
All of my balls are scribed, wouldn't have it any other way.
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Re: Scribing the layout on a ball
« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2014, 04:00:43 PM »
Just scribe a little old ladies new ball and see if you don't a purse over the head.

You can be just as accurate with a wax pencil, it just takes measuring to the edge of the lines.

You can be ok with it, but a lot of customers will not be.
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Re: Scribing the layout on a ball
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2014, 04:43:27 PM »
95% of customers can't feel an 1/16" difference in span, never mind the difference if you hit the edge of a pencil line vs. the middle, as long as you sharpened it this month.
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Re: Scribing the layout on a ball
« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2014, 07:31:59 PM »
Quote from: itsallaboutme on February 14, 2014, 04:43:27 PM
95% of customers can't feel an 1/16" difference in span, never mind the difference if you hit the edge of a pencil line vs. the middle, as long as you sharpened it this month.

Can't tell a 1/16" difference??
Are they deaf, dumb and blind???

I had trouble with a drilled ball  about 8 years ago or so. I asked my driller to remeasure it. I had no idea what the cause of the ill fitting problem was. It turned out the span was off by 1/32". It felt like a huge difference to me.
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Re: Scribing the layout on a ball
« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2014, 08:09:54 PM »
Quote from: itsallaboutme on February 14, 2014, 04:43:27 PM
95% of customers can't feel an 1/16" difference in span, never mind the difference if you hit the edge of a pencil line vs. the middle, as long as you sharpened it this month.

I'm glad you're not drilling my stuff with that attitude.
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Re: Scribing the layout on a ball
« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2014, 11:03:18 PM »
Quote from: charlest on February 14, 2014, 07:31:59 PM
Quote from: itsallaboutme on February 14, 2014, 04:43:27 PM
95% of customers can't feel an 1/16" difference in span, never mind the difference if you hit the edge of a pencil line vs. the middle, as long as you sharpened it this month.

Can't tell a 1/16" difference??
Are they deaf, dumb and blind???

I had trouble with a drilled ball  about 8 years ago or so. I asked my driller to remeasure it. I had no idea what the cause of the ill fitting problem was. It turned out the span was off by 1/32". It felt like a huge difference to me.


+1 .... I am very sensitive to feel and like Charlest, I can even feel 1/32" difference.
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Re: Scribing the layout on a ball
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2014, 07:47:20 AM »
Northface, trust me, you can't do much better than having me behind the press drilling you a ball.

All the guys on this site think they are the typical pro shop customer.  There are way more times when a new customer comes into the shop with 3 balls, all three are different and they have no idea they are different, than a guy coming in with 3 the same. 
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