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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: xrayjay on September 25, 2017, 05:43:31 PM
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I'm at a loss, and kind of embarrassed to ask. but what are ways to lower ones revrate? And is this one way of combating drier conditions? I bowl second shift at this new place which is really dry at the heads, mids, and hooking backends. (I don't have 350 plus rpm's, in fact I don't know what I have)
I find success playing inside/deep, but my mistakes are much worse. I'd like to avoid rubbing against the ball return and prefer to keep the ball in front of me longer. I just don't really know how to keep straight on conditions like this. It's extreme. (many bowlers in the league before us use high end strong equipment, some even sand their balls down! I've seen a sanded nano and the owner still complained that it's dry??!! lol)
My low tilt and average axis rotation isn't ideal for drier surfaces. I've tried breaking my wrist, but my wrist doesn't always stay in that position. Or, I end up throwing end over end. I've tried lofting before, but how far really do one needs to loft?
I really do need to practice during the early morning hours each Sunday when lanes are dry at this time at this 24 hrs bowling center. But, I need some advice on how to bowl on drier conditions. What should I work on?
Finally, do I possibly need a different set for second shift because of the extreme I see compared to the first shift? I'll try anything...
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Is anybody successfully playing further right?
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What house are you at?
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I’d seriously consider drilling a Brunswick Fanatic BTU Pearl. This ball has been my go to ball on second shift
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Is anybody successfully playing further right?
There's a bowler who plays straight no matter what conditions he bowls on. He's a 230 plus average bowler who can do things with the ball, revs, speed, etc... but I noticed big games in the first like 300 and 280's but his scores drop by the third. He starts out further right then find him playing "up 10" by the third game.
Those outside 10 have very high tilt or low rev rate with speed. But not seeing the success they had at the other house. Low scores across the board for everyone. One guy told me he only had 2 200 games. Another guy mentioned he shot his first 600 of the season lol. I saw a lot of 560's to low 600's. No more 650 to 720 lol.
We also don't have a set of lanes we bowl on every week. We can be on lane 1 to 10 one week or 19 thru 28 the next. Lower end seems to be drier but over all its dry and/or spotty mids.
I really don't mind how hard it is right now, but the look on others with many heads down, the league might vote to return to the old house next season. Maybe they prefer higher averages over bad service? who knows.... only time will tell.
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What house are you at?
CCL
BTW, my tuesday night first shift league is looking for a 4th bowler.. know anyone?
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Have you tried using your XXXL? If country club is that dry the XXXL should work very well there. No don't know anyone who could bowl on Tuesday nights.
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You're not going to like my answer - you said you can score standing further left but your misses hurt you. The solution to that isn't to change the good shots, the solution is to mitigate the risk on the bad ones. You know where the scoring is, you just don't want to play there.
Stand left, throw right, figure out how to get some miss room in at least one direction.
For MY second shift league that's similar to yours (1st shift is 5 man teams of no hand men using sanded balls), I actually prefer to move left with a very strong ball until Im far enough left to have some shim. I get some hold on shots in, and hope misses out burn up a bit and just hit weak. Your results may vary.
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Good answer. People don't been to appreciate making use of the inside hold area inside. Surfaces are getting old , and the balls blow the oil up quickly. You have to get much deeper, much sooner on today's house shots. Also it helps to work on ball speed. Too many league bowlers are rev dominant
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hank and bob,
staying on the left - "stand left shoot right" has crossed my mind. Yes it is true I don't like playing this deep because the misses are bad/harder, but I've done this before. Also, I agree about the speed being key. I just have to take what the lanes gives me.....
Over a decade ago, when a last stood in front of the ball return lol, I had Track Slash with Beans polish that allowed me to clear the front part nicely and get down lane. It had a very smooth reaction even with the polish and I was able to control the backend. With the Rave (pearl oob) it naturally gets down lane with easy, but the backend can be a bit too quick.
I thought about getting another pearl in the Cyclone to fit under the Rave, or the hustle ink which is a polish solid. Maybe another week of leagues I'll decide which direction I'll go with these two balls.
Hank what "strong" ball are you using?
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Which misses hurt the most? Left or right? If you miss right, does it hit flat and lose energy or jackknife thru the face?
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Which misses hurt the most? Left or right? If you miss right, does it hit flat and lose energy or jackknife thru the face?
most miss are thru the face high hits. 4, 9 pins 10's....worse, multi pin splits
I feel I'm behind the pattern. Laterally, I am two or 3 or 4 boards too late. I finally get a good zone by the last 4 to 5 frames of the last game - unlike the other house, it's small adjustments or none at all lol. At this place it's bigger moves I need to take.. maybe equipment adjustment? or new equipment? I really don't know....
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I think you are,on to something. Surfaces are getting old along with what the balls do to the pattern. Awfully easy to get caught behind the transition.
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This is the "feel" part of the game. If you wait to move off a miss you are a move behind. That's what separates the guys that average 210 from the guys 225+.
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Changing your pitches and making adjustments to your release would cut down on your rev rate, but there must be other ways of attacking the lanes.
What balls/layouts are you using? Have you tried adding polish to your equipment and/or using something with a lower diff or longer pin-pap layout?
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This is the "feel" part of the game. If you wait to move off a miss you are a move behind. That's what separates the guys that average 210 from the guys 225+.
My gut be telling me to "jump left" but my brain gets in the way.....
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Good answer. People don't been to appreciate making use of the inside hold area inside. Surfaces are getting old , and the balls blow the oil up quickly. You have to get much deeper, much sooner on today's house shots. Also it helps to work on ball speed. Too many league bowlers are rev dominant
Exactly. This gives me a migraine everytine I go to league hearing the bowlers' constantly bitch and complain, and I'm on the left side. 😩
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One of the second shift mistakes I feel bowlers make is that when they move in on the the lane they feel they have to put more on the ball or go to a more aggressive ball.
The lane is already hooking plenty. On a house shot use the your normal release and simply move in on fresher oil.
If you had a successful breakpoint earlier that carried then make moves with both your eyes and feet to get the ball close to that same breakpoint.
Depending on the house small moves don't work for me. I'll move 5 with my feet and 3 on the lane at times.
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One of the second shift mistakes I feel bowlers make is that when they move in on the the lane they feel they have to put more on the ball or go to a more aggressive ball.
The lane is already hooking plenty. On a house shot use the your normal release and simply move in on fresher oil.
If you had a successful breakpoint earlier that carried then make moves with both your eyes and feet to get the ball close to that same breakpoint.
Depending on the house small moves don't work for me. I'll move 5 with my feet and 3 on the lane at times.
I agree about not putting more on the ball. It's tempting cause it seems it needs more for it to come back. But you really don't need more.
It's beautiful to see the ball splitting the 8 9 from such a steep angle. I'm beginning to like it.
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Changing your pitches and making adjustments to your release would cut down on your rev rate, but there must be other ways of attacking the lanes.
What balls/layouts are you using? Have you tried adding polish to your equipment and/or using something with a lower diff or longer pin-pap layout?
I don't think I'm a high rev player. If I had to label myself, I'll still say a classic old school bowler.
My main ball is the Rave that's oob with a 4x4x2 p3 hole. It's my first Radical ball and didn't know much. I thought I was replacing my Storm pearl that's above the Tropical breeze. (forgot the name), but the ball is pretty strong for THS. Great on more volume, medium length THS.
I bowl 2.5 leagues at two houses and the first shift leagues, the OOB on the Rave is perfect. I thought about polishing it, but don't want to risk having too quick of response down lane. Also, I'm still on the fence on which to ball to get. Or, have a separate bag for second shift like I did once before. I'm looking into hustle INK, or cyclone. Other suggestions welcomed.
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Our scratch league is second shift. Right now it just depends on how I feel as to whether I move in and cross more boards, or play straighter. My ball that recovers the most is my True Nirvana, while the one that allows me to play where others have vacated is the BTU pearl.
On any given night one will be the answer (and it's usually the one I choose last) but it's up to me to commit one way or the other. If I bounce back and forth it's usually a disaster waiting to happen. You can't release it pure and repeat it if there is a question in your mind whether you have the right one in your hand. Which ever way you choose just commit 100% to the process.
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