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Zanatos1914

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Should PBA be allow to bowl against Avg Bowlers
« on: September 05, 2007, 12:13:52 AM »
Personally I have a problem with them bowling in our tournaments because the odds are in favor of the PBA in open lanes. They didn't get the title Professional Bowler for just being avg bowlers.  Don't get me wrong because I have beaten some PBA but open play tournament should be off limits...
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Re: Should PBA be allow to bowl against Avg Bowlers
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2007, 08:31:49 AM »
In open play tournaments there are alot of times when it posted in their rules PBA memebrs cannot bowl; if there isn't such a rule then PBA players can indeed join in.
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Re: Should PBA be allow to bowl against Avg Bowlers
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2007, 08:52:32 AM »
Sack up and take them on!!!
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Re: Should PBA be allow to bowl against Avg Bowlers
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2007, 08:54:50 AM »
So you want to bowl in tournaments (scratch I'm assuming), but just not against the really good players?  This sounds very similar to an argument that was had in the PBA regionals about whether exempt PBA members should be allowed to bowl in regionals.  I am a PBA regional player, but by no means one of the better ones, I'm just starting to find my way on the PBA patterns, and just beginning to get more competitive on them.  By all means exempt PBA players should be allowed in the regionals, and if the tournament doesn't state no PBA allowed, then they have every right to bowl those as well.  If there are enough people that feel as you do, then you could probably talk to the people running the tournament to change it to no PBA, but I would like to think that enough people get motivated by having the "big dogs" in the tournament that it makes them step their game up a notch as well.
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Re: Should PBA be allow to bowl against Avg Bowlers
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2007, 09:37:29 AM »
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Sack up and take them on!!!
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I agree, why not include the best players, only way to find out how you stack up, I am just as capable of shooting 750 scratch as they are on a  house shot, so go for it
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Re: Should PBA be allow to bowl against Avg Bowlers
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2007, 09:37:53 AM »
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Personally I have a problem with them bowling in our tournaments because the odds are in favor of the PBA in open lanes. They didn't get the title Professional Bowler for just being avg bowlers. Don't get me wrong because I have beaten some PBA but open play tournament should be off limits...


Are you talking about "PBA Members" in general or the exempt players.  There is a big difference here.  The exempt players are the cream of the crop, the best in the world.  The large majority of the PBA Membership are regular Joes.  For the longest time you only had to average 190, and now it is only 200 to become a PBA Member.  How hard is that?

It's up to the tournament organizers.  There are not many exempt players, about what 4000 PBA Members??  Usually, you don't get more entries just by not allowing the PBA members to bowl.  

What do you mean by "our tournaments"?  Are you running it?  Bowl NABI, nobody over 205 average ever are allowed to bowl I think.  The scratch tournaments around the Houston area are usually won by non members.

The other way to look at it- "If your scared, say your scared" -don't bowl if you know they are allowed to bowl.
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Re: Should PBA be allow to bowl against Avg Bowlers
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2007, 09:38:40 AM »
I would welcome the chance to beat the pants off a pro!
Hey, even they have a bad day once in a while, right?! LOL!!!
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Re: Should PBA be allow to bowl against Avg Bowlers
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2007, 09:47:15 AM »
Bring them on it will make who ever bowls agains them a better bowler in the long run  I have no problem with it.
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Re: Should PBA be allow to bowl against Avg Bowlers
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2007, 10:25:28 AM »
Never Scared of bowling against better bowlers but the title PBA is my main problem - It stands for being a professional.  If the sport was football would you still want to play against them..  I would say - Hell no.. NABI - They want allow me to bowl against them...
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Re: Should PBA be allow to bowl against Avg Bowlers
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2007, 10:37:16 AM »
PBA members that want to bowl against one another can get this in the PBA elimination tournaments. All tournaments outside of the PBA should emphasis NO PBA members! A boxer once he turns PRO can never fight as an amateur again. It's the chance you take when you MOVE UP! A PRO makes his livelihood from his choice .. amateurs do their sport as a PASS TIME (believe it or not!)
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Re: Should PBA be allow to bowl against Avg Bowlers
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2007, 11:03:12 AM »
I think you'd want to define PBA.  I remember a topic some time ago dealing with ball sales and how people were PBA members just to get a deal on bowling balls.  Would you include those people in the list of ones to exclude?


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Re: Should PBA be allow to bowl against Avg Bowlers
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2007, 11:09:06 AM »
Here we go again with this.....

Bowling is the only sport where people dont want to be challenged. Everybody always wants the easy way out, whether it be competition or lane conditions. This is why the sport is fading fast...too many people are looking for the "easy button" instead of working to raise their own talent level.

Here's something to chew on...make bowling just like every other sport then. Dont allow professionals to compete against amateurs. But that also means that to remain an amateur, you wont be allowed to compete for prize money. You cant have it both ways. I've worked my butt off for 25 years to get myself to this point, and i'm sick and tired of listening to people complain that certain groups shouldnt be allowed to compete. Sorry folks but thats profiling, and profiling is wrong !!!
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Re: Should PBA be allow to bowl against Avg Bowlers
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2007, 11:11:46 AM »
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I think you'd want to define PBA.  I remember a topic some time ago dealing with ball sales and how people were PBA members just to get a deal on bowling balls.  Would you include those people in the list of ones to exclude?


Of course.  Why should they be any different?  As in most other sports, professionals are not allowed to compete in amateur competitions, and if they're stupid enough to declare themselves 'professional' just to get cheap equipment, why should we reward them?  Their membership diminishes what it means to be a professional bowler.

Plus there's no real way to separate "equipment whores" from the honest weekend warrior from the national-level pro.  They don't get different membership cards that say "PBA, but only for the cheap equipment".

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Re: Should PBA be allow to bowl against Avg Bowlers
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2007, 11:23:48 AM »
Shelley, i've made numerous proposals to the PBA on a tiered membership program that will help to eliminate part of the "equipment hound" problem. You're right, these members diminish the term professional....but so do all of the card carrying members that dont bowl any PBA events. Its easy to say that you are a PBA member, its easy to say that you are a staff member with a manufactuer, hell its easy to say that you are a great player....but if you dont do anything to prove it, its just all talk.

Thats the point i'm making here....if you want the easy way out, stick with recreational bowling and dont worry about prize money. Leave that to the people that want to work for it. Our society has become way to lazy and nobody is willing to work for what they want. I get hundreds of e-mails like :

"Hey dude...i'm from North Dakota and i've got 5-300's and 3-800's and i just won our city tournament. You think you can get me on staff ???"

What am i supposed to say to this guy ? I can list 5000 guys that have stronger credentials, but obviosly this guy thinks he is owed something. Thats where the sport went wrong years ago. Things got too easy too fast and people stopped working at it. Now its just sit back and expect things to be handed to you...and if that doesnt happen, complain about who beat you and find a way to get them removed from the tournamets that you bowl in.

When i was growing up, i bowled against anybody and everybody...all the time. I bowled pot games against all of the best bowlers in town when i was 14 and usually got beat and beat bad. When i turned 18 i was bowling every tournament in a 200 mile radius that i could find. After a while, the work paid off and i starting winning these events....paving the way for my future. The problem is that the bowlers that started bowling within the last 5-10 years dont know what its like to struggle, its been way too easy. Its good to get knocked down a rung now and then. God knows i've been knocked down most of my life, but i just get back up and keep on swinging.

I'm hoping that Jeff Bojie and Kevin Dornberger can help to turn our sport around. If not, all of this is a moot point and you wont have to worry about bowling against PBA members because there wont be any
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Re: Should PBA be allow to bowl against Avg Bowlers
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2007, 11:27:46 AM »
The first thing to consider is that there are really 2 classes of PBA bowler:
1) The 64 exempt bowlers
2) The other 4000+ members

The first group are the best of the best and have proven it week after week.
The second group contain many that given a break here or there could be in group 1, but the majority are the weekend warriors traveling around to the regionals every weekend trying to earn some extra cash and maybe having the chance to be in group 1.

Now in regards to scratch tournaments, there should be no restrictions on anyone in group 2, PBA Member or not. Not allowing these people to bowl is stupid and ridiculous. Remember, as it was said before, if you average 200, you can pay your money and become a PBA member, doesn't make you any better. As far as group 1, personally I say bring them on. I want to bowl against the best, I am highly dissappointed that Mr. Mike Austin has moved and left our winter league, I enjoyed bowling against him, plus he is an all-around great guy, and it is one less premier bowler I get to bowl against. But I can see where some tournament would exclude the exempt players. If you are going to add in a rule, it should go no further then that. I know, Jeff C, has made his statement, and while I agree, I can see where you might want to exclude the exempt players.

Just my .02.


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