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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: NHLfan88 on February 09, 2015, 12:24:43 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XywB2_UCqOo
Taking his towel off of the ball return at 3:46 & 7:30. Also, he throws a Brooklyn at 6:10 and look at his reaction. Shut up old man.
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Good research. But maybe it's a recent change for PDW?
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I find his "TV Personality" to be abrasive... and have the general opinion that he's pretty much a d@ck.
No idea how he is off the lanes, but assume he acts similar. Makes me smile a bit when he loses.
Scott
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Part of it is marketing too lol.... keeping up with his bad boy image. bowling could use that IMO.. show's have been improving somewhat this year, but the last few years, bowling got boring for me and my friends.....
PDW reminds me of my bad A$$ uncle who is really friendly but cocky. and when it comes to basketball he can be a donkey, but people like him. when he played ball at 45, he was taking college team kids to school and came close to fighting too...only difference between PDW and my uncle, My uncle is a AM boxer lol and pete is a 30 plus champion....
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I find his "TV Personality" to be abrasive... and have the general opinion that he's pretty much a d@ck.
No idea how he is off the lanes, but assume he acts similar. Makes me smile a bit when he loses.
Scott
I've met Pete Weber a couple of times. Bowled a Pro-Am in Reno and he was on my pair for the last game and I had a chance to chat with him a bit afterwards. He didn't rush off like most of the pros do in those events.
He also came to Stockton about a year or so ago and bowled against us local hacks, something Storm was paying him to do I guess. He claimed to remember bowling with me in Reno, but I have no doubt that he was just working the crowd. LOL
Both times, I thought he was very cordial and accessible to everyone who came up to him. He truly seemed to enjoy interacting with the fans. I have to admit that I wasn't a fan of his before I actually met him, but now I root for him every time.
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Pete can come off a pompous jerk, but I believe he's good for the game. He gives a lot of us older guys hope that we can still compete. :)
I was disappointed in his post match interview after the loss to Belmo. He basically blamed "TowelGate" for getting in his head and affected his performance. It wasn't one of his better moments. He should have taken the high road and gave credit to Belmo for executing better.
He has no problem celebrating his wins. He needs to show some humility in defeat.
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This may be the first time in my life I'm defending Pete Weber. I'm definitely not a fan... bottom line though, if they ask the pros to keep towels off the rack, then no reason not to do it. It's like asking us to keep powder out of the settee area at Nats. It may be a courtesy thing, but yeah, I see his point.
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In my opinion I think it did.......
He finally let all of that mess get to him lol....
Getting mad at the crossover, and breaking his glasses, classic.
Now seeing as he doesn't wipe his ball, I might give him that, but he didn't have to act like that......
My other thing is, if they don't want the bowlers placing towels there, why don't they give them a spot to do so. Once you step on the approach you don't want to step off to get your towel.
Pete can come off a pompous jerk, but I believe he's good for the game. He gives a lot of us older guys hope that we can still compete. :)
I was disappointed in his post match interview after the loss to Belmo. He basically blamed "TowelGate" for getting in his head and affected his performance. It wasn't one of his better moments. He should have taken the high road and gave credit to Belmo for executing better.
He has no problem celebrating his wins. He needs to show some humility in defeat.
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Pete is a talented bowler and he's a bully and he's a baby. He adds fuel to the fire of everyone that claims bowling is not a real sport and he's an embarrassment to his sponsor whining like a bratty kid about a towel on his ball?! What a complete joke.
I emailed Storm bowling to convey my disgust over his behavior and my belief that he embarrassed himself, the PBA, bowling, Storm bowling and Jason Belmonte, the international face of Storm bowling. I pointed out that with someone like him representing Storm they come across as the Bawler's Company.
Acts like him are only accelerating bowling's death as a profession.
I encourage others to contact Storm with your thoughts even if you disagree with me.
At least show you care...too few of us do about bowling.
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interstate4, just stop for crying out loud. I just watched a replay of the match on my dvr and I must say it was much ado about nothing. The PBA wants some color in bowling and the current owners asked for such when they bought it. PDW volunteered to to be the bad guy or controversial figure. I would be pissed also if I always found somebody's towel on my ball for no other reason than common courtesy. He didn't make that big a deal about it on camera, mainly some arm motions to whomever he was telling off to the side. He was far more animated and disgusted by the two brooklyns as many bowlers are, in competitive situations. I guess you've forgotten your international face of bowling crackling his plastic water bottle more than once during matches with Sean Rash, as Rash was getting ready to approach the lane? This stuff is more than likely smiled at by the PBA brass as it creates attention to the game that they don't have to pay for!! Now, settle down!!!!!
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livespive, Pete didn't win that match because he got too worked up, he lost because he threw a bad ball in the 10th. How had he done leading up to that? Oh, that's right, he threw two strikes that had put him only one pin down going in. Wouldn't call that "letting it get to him."!
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Pete is a talented bowler and he's a bully and he's a baby. He adds fuel to the fire of everyone that claims bowling is not a real sport and he's an embarrassment to his sponsor whining like a bratty kid about a towel on his ball?! What a complete joke.
I emailed Storm bowling to convey my disgust over his behavior and my belief that he embarrassed himself, the PBA, bowling, Storm bowling and Jason Belmonte, the international face of Storm bowling. I pointed out that with someone like him representing Storm they come across as the Bawler's Company.
Acts like him are only accelerating bowling's death as a profession.
I encourage others to contact Storm with your thoughts even if you disagree with me.
At least show you care...too few of us do about bowling.
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I don't like Belmont...I believe he does stuff...to get in the head of other bowlers...every professional bowler know you don't do that...he knew it would upset Pete throw him off his game...yes Pete made a poor shot in the 10th frame....but would he if Belmont didn't do what he did...if you notice in championship match didn't stick his towel on his opponents ball he knew he could beat the guy....just says Belmont is a good bowler but when he's up against tough odds does this from time to time...rash comes to mind...I would made a big stink on tv... I would of got up and threw his towel at him...would of verbally told him about it to...Pete is a hot head but ask yourself what you do in that situation?
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Love or hate his personality/antics, PDW is probably the most talented bowler of all time up to this point. The fact that he was still right in the hunt at yet another major goes to prove that. I'm not a fiery, in-your-face type of guy like Pete; however, that doesn't mean it's wrong for people to be that way within reason.
Pete didn't run up on the approach and threaten to knock Belmo out for putting his towel there. He asked the tournament directors to enforce their own policy. Heck, I've seen fist fights and near fist fights during league bowling over things that were even more trivial than towelgate, so let's not act as if Pete's behavior was grossly out of line. Was he a bit childish/unprofessional, maybe, but is that any worse than Rash screaming "bottle bi#tch" at Belmo a few years back? Is it worse than Walter Ray whining about the conditions every time he leaves a 10-pin? Is it worse than hearing Bill O'Neil mutter under his breath about how badly the guys in the previous matches broke the lanes down? Bowlers, even the best ones in the world, are human beings, and human beings get frustrated from time to time. Pete got frustrated, and he acted like a bit of a baby. It's not the first time that's happened (to him or any other bowler), and it certainly won't be the last.
Lastly, Interstate4, you need to realize that for every person like you who dislikes PDW because of his attitude and antics, there are just as many if not more people on the other side who like him specifically because of those very things. As such, while I appreciate your initiative in letting Storm know your thoughts, I wouldn't count on seeing Pete's lightning bolt pulled anytime soon.
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Yeah, but don't forget, the bad shot came after the both times that he was acting up.....
I think he is a good bowler, yes I do.
DOes bowling need more color.....Maybe, but not like that, it's bowling not wrestling.
I even like it when he celabrates, but the sideline stuff..... nah
livespive, Pete didn't win that match because he got too worked up, he lost because he threw a bad ball in the 10th. How had he done leading up to that? Oh, that's right, he threw two strikes that had put him only one pin down going in. Wouldn't call that "letting it get to him."!
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I agree about Belmont, but that also puts a black eye on the PBA....
IF they knew that was the rules, and he was breaking them with multiple bowlers as he was then something should have been done.
I don't like Belmont...I believe he does stuff...to get in the head of other bowlers...every professional bowler know you don't do that...he knew it would upset Pete throw him off his game...yes Pete made a poor shot in the 10th frame....but would he if Belmont didn't do what he did...if you notice in championship match didn't stick his towel on his opponents ball he knew he could beat the guy....just says Belmont is a good bowler but when he's up against tough odds does this from time to time...rash comes to mind...I would made a big stink on tv... I would of got up and threw his towel at him...would of verbally told him about it to...Pete is a hot head but ask yourself what you do in that situation?
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interstate4, just stop for crying out loud. I just watched a replay of the match on my dvr and I must say it was much ado about nothing. The PBA wants some color in bowling and the current owners asked for such when they bought it. PDW volunteered to to be the bad guy or controversial figure. I would be pissed also if I always found somebody's towel on my ball for no other reason than common courtesy. He didn't make that big a deal about it on camera, mainly some arm motions to whomever he was telling off to the side. He was far more animated and disgusted by the two brooklyns as many bowlers are, in competitive situations. I guess you've forgotten your international face of bowling crackling his plastic water bottle more than once during matches with Sean Rash, as Rash was getting ready to approach the lane? This stuff is more than likely smiled at by the PBA brass as it creates attention to the game that they don't have to pay for!! Now, settle down!!!!!
TDC....no argument on the bottle stuff. That was all Belmo's fault. In a team competition like that, I actually found Rash's reaction amusing, if not slightly over the top. Actually, I think Petulant Petey's reaction likely stemmed in part from his friendship with rash.
As for the PBA Brass can smile at stuff all they want. They are under the sad misconception that all publicity is good publicity. Bowling is viewed as a complete joke by most of America...certainly not as a sport. Interest and player earnings are in the gutter due primarily to the economy but also in no small part to the fact that bowling is viewed as an easy game played by non-athletes. For comparison, the economy has caused participation in golf to decline. But because affluent fans take golf so seriously, and those fans are taken so seriously by deep pocketed sponsors pro golfers earning have remained strong. Petulant Petey's act over a lousy towel just reinforces the joke that bowling is to most of America. I can see that stuff in the WWE and roller derby. And no coincidence, WWE is in decline and roller derby is dead.
Good lord...poker gets good ratings and can make people money. I don't know that bowling ever can again. Lighthearted celebrity stuff just expands the market. I have no problem with that. If I want to see a midget rant and rave over a towel I'll subscribe to the WWE network and look back at old matches. I won't watch bowling.
As for Petey's Brooklyn whining, you tube is full of a smiling Petey basking in his own Brooklyns. Since he's such a big WWE fan himself, I say, suck it up tough guy. He probably remembers WWE's Brooklyn Brawler. To me, Petulant Petey is the Brooklyn Bawler!
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Remember the one common denominator with this recent incident with the towel and bottle: BELMO.
Now the question is - intentional to get into the minds of others - or just inconsiderate.
Either way, you need to bowl your game, not to worry about what the other person is doing.
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OR just habbit......
Why didn't the guy in the title round say anything when he did it?
Nerves? Or it wasn't that big of a deal?
See, the only problem I have is Weber was crying when he crossed over for the strike. There were a few that were not "pretty" for him as well.
Remember the one common denominator with this recent incident with the towel and bottle: BELMO.
Now the question is - intentional to get into the minds of others - or just inconsiderate.
Either way, you need to bowl your game, not to worry about what the other person is doing.
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My other thing is, if they don't want the bowlers placing towels there, why don't they give them a spot to do so. Once you step on the approach you don't want to step off to get your towel.
It looked like there was a small table right behind the ball return for the bowlers towels and rosin bags.
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Don't forget the incident with Belmo & Muchuga.
After a long, lonely drive home from New Jersey, I have had plenty of time to relax and reflect on a solid, yet disappointing week at the Masters. There has been much talk on social media about some “situations†that occurred during the tournament. The ones that involve me are related to my match with Jason Belmonte. Here are the facts as I remember them:
Jason needed a double in the 10th frame of the 3rd game to shut me out. He failed to do so giving me the opportunity to throw a double to win the match. As most people know, I tend to take a little more time in pressure situations to gather myself before making the shot. Throughout my pre-shot routine, Jason was talking to himself, loud enough for me to hear him, as the approach is only just a few feet away. It seemed like he was done, so I attempted to get on the approach when he started again. I looked back at him to try to give him an idea that I could hear it, and he continued….. Finally, I had had enough, so I asked him, sternly, “Are you done yet?! Cuz it’s MY turn now.†He then scampered away seemingly very irritated, while mumbling something about how he can’t even use a pencil to write the scores down, and he was just “adding up the scores†(that were clearly visible on the scoring monitor above.) I had to shake-off his temper tantrum so I could actually make my first shot in the 10th. I aced that one and after getting a little jacked up, I took a little more time, again, to calm myself down and prepare for the next one to win the match. Things didn’t feel quite right and I could hear some of the construction going on for the TV set next to us, so I stepped away and started over. At this point, you could hear an ant’s footsteps in the bowling center. As I got into my approach, I was distracted by someone coughing, so I balked and had to restart, again…..Unfortunately, I was not successful, went high and left the 6-10 to let Jason win.
I have since been told that the person who coughed was a young girl that was attending her first PBA event and feels terrible about it happening. She is scared to come back to another event. I have been contacted by a person that knows her, and I plan on doing something special for her, as we (bowling in general) need to keep every fan that we have.
Shortly after the match, Jason approached me outside the locker room and asked me to go for a walk with him. We went outside and he began explaining how irate he was that he continues to put himself in those situations. After a couple minutes of listening to his rant, I asked him, “Belmo, is this an attempt at an apology?†He replied that it was and continued rambling, blah blah blah, so I told him, “Apology accepted. Good match,†shook his hand and walked away. End of story. But, in his feeble attempt at an apology, never once did he use the words “I’m sorry.†Instead, he said things like he’s so irate that he puts himself in these situations… as if this were all about him….so, if he was sorry about anything, it sure sounded to me like he was sorry only that he found himself in another version of “Bottlegateâ€.
Unintentional as he makes it sound, I cannot ignore the fact that this has happened in many different ways to opponents of his in the past. Crinkling water bottles, rocking in squeaky chairs, and talking behind your opponent (to no one) are not things that a professional should be doing while their opponent has a chance to perform to beat him. There is no defense in bowling and a true professional does all they can to AVOID such situations.
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Good lord...poker gets good ratings and can make people money. I don't know that bowling ever can again. Lighthearted celebrity stuff just expands the market. I have no problem with that. If I want to see a midget rant and rave over a towel I'll subscribe to the WWE network and look back at old matches. I won't watch bowling.
You do know you just ruined your whole point by bring up poker don't you? The biggest winners in poker or some of the loudest crybabies ever....in fact Phil Helmuth embraces it so much he calls himself the "Poker Brat". Half of the interest in watching poker on TV is to see Helmuth blow up, or to see Mike Matusow go off on someone....the list goes on and on. So maybe instead of whining like a child yourself....you can grow up and realize that Weber is one of the greatest bowlers of all time. He plays a version of himself on TV. He usually bowls better when he is "upset" over something, it just didn't work this time. How much press did bowling and the PBA get over "Who do you think you are? I AM!" a few years ago? It made Sportscenter, regular news programs, etc.. Didn't see you complaining then? Or you can just continue to call Pete Weber names, like a petualant child, and your next rant can be about yourself. ::)
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I have to say that I don't like either one of those guys. Belmo is strictly "bush league" with a history of that kind of behavior but I also don't like the yelling at your opponent when you throw a double and then whining to the tournament director. If I were Pete I would done an "Ernie McKracken" and wiped my arm pit with his towel. If somebody thinks they are getting in your head they will keep on doing it.
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I re watched the match and tried to keep my eye on the ball return during each players shots when it was in view. The 1 and only time Belmos towel was directly on Petes ball was when the camera zoomed in on it later in the match.
I believe many players keep their towel and rosin bags on or around the ball return, you can see AJ use a towel and toss it back onto the ball rack during his match. I believe many players do this and it is accepted widely by most players such as when Pete did it during that older match. I believe that Weber decided right of the bat that he would complain about Belmo breaking this "rule" in an attempt to have a director instruct Belmo not to do it, and when Belmo complies, Pete will have altered Belmos pre shot routine. I also believe that later in the match when Belmo put the towel right on top of Petes ball, it was his way of saying "Quit your bitching"
The whole brooklyn thing drives me nuts about how Pete acted and how every single person in bowling acts about it. You can be frustrated or a little miffed by your opponent doing that but come on! We have all had that happen to us in the other way. If Belmo would have fist pumped and said something (Like Pete did in the clip against O'Neill) then I would see Petes beef. Belmo didn't, he walked back and got ready for the next shot realizing he caught a fortunate break.
Plus, Weber apparently didn't like it when Larsen got excited after a strike, good grief this was just embarrassing for bowling. I like emotion and really wanting it but the child like nature from Pete Weber left me shaking my head and feeling this was yet another down moment for bowling popularity in the United States. There were some great storylines and great bowling but Pete had to steal the moment with his petulant behavior and that is the most upsetting thing.
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Funny, has no one here EVER watched an NBA game? A professional Soccer Match? NFL game? professional Tennis?
How is THIS bad for bowling when this kind of immature cry-babying crap goes on in EVERY major sport and they are not just doing fine, they seem to be thriving.
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Funny, has no one here EVER watched an NBA game? A professional Soccer Match? NFL game? professional Tennis?
How is THIS bad for bowling when this kind of immature cry-babying crap goes on in EVERY major sport and they are not just doing fine, they seem to be thriving.
Because they have already built a fan base and have more credibility. This is the ONLY stuff that gets PBA in the news. That's not good, it's ok if that is also in the news but performance needs to be the lead story.
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Funny, has no one here EVER watched an NBA game? A professional Soccer Match? NFL game? professional Tennis?
How is THIS bad for bowling when this kind of immature cry-babying crap goes on in EVERY major sport and they are not just doing fine, they seem to be thriving.
Because people generalize when they don't know the whole picture, and 99% of America doesn't know the PBA.
When a football or baseball player does something childish, like for instance, Richard Sherman ranting about Crabtree to Erin Andrews, do we comment that all football players are a-holes? No, we comment that Richard Sherman is an a-hole.
On the flip side, every 4 years when the world cup comes around and someone flops, do we blame the player? No, we say "this is why I never watch soccer, everyone flops all the time".
The members of this forum can see PDWs
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Funny, has no one here EVER watched an NBA game? A professional Soccer Match? NFL game? professional Tennis?
How is THIS bad for bowling when this kind of immature cry-babying crap goes on in EVERY major sport and they are not just doing fine, they seem to be thriving.
Because people generalize when they don't know the whole picture, and 99% of America doesn't know the PBA.
When a football or baseball player does something childish, like for instance, Richard Sherman ranting about Crabtree to Erin Andrews, do we comment that all football players are a-holes? No, we comment that Richard Sherman is an a-hole.
On the flip side, every 4 years when the world cup comes around and someone flops, do we blame the player? No, we say "this is why I never watch soccer, everyone flops all the time".
The members of this forum can see PDWs
Half the members of this forum think they ARE PDW.
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People that towel thing is a easy fix.I once had a guy putting his rosin bag on my ball. The first time he did it I asked nicely to please stop.The second (which was the very next frame)he did it I told him it will go in the trash.The third time it went in the Trash !!
Problem solved,not to mention he hasn't done it since to any bodies ball
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People that towel thing is a easy fix.I once had a guy putting his rosin bag on my ball. The first time he did it I asked nicely to please stop.The second (which was the very next frame)he did it I told him it will go in the trash.The third time it went in the Trash !!
Problem solved,not to mention he hasn't done it since to any bodies ball
I think on the telecast Randy stated something about if it were him he would throw it six lanes over, lol.
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Yeah I noticed that, but didn't know how far back from the approach it was.
I know once I am on the approach, I don't like to leave for fear of stepping in something.
My other thing is, if they don't want the bowlers placing towels there, why don't they give them a spot to do so. Once you step on the approach you don't want to step off to get your towel.
It looked like there was a small table right behind the ball return for the bowlers towels and rosin bags.
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I didn't see the match...Because I was watching the NHL on NBC...But I heard about it....Now IMO...When someone puts their dirty towel on your ball...They know what they are doing...
Many times in league someone has done that to me or a teammates ball...I simply take the towel and toss it...Sooner or later they get tired of picking it up or out of the garbage...
Now as for how Petey acted...Can't say, I didn't watch the show...for I was watching the NHL on NBC... :D ;)
But we all know Petey dances to the beat of a different drummer...IMO...He is
good for the game....I would rather watch Petey display his talent than watching
some young hot dog who NEEDS AREA...
But as for this show...I did not see it...Because like most of America...I was
watching the NHL on NBC or Woman's Golf on the TGC or Men's Golf on CBS...
And from the 3 people that I know actually watched the show...I didn't miss much....
But it certainly appears that someone's towel got the best of Petey...
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In every professional sport, there's always a heel, a bad guy, a d-bag. Well, lets welcome PDW to that category. He seems to have a smug attitude about himself every time he bowls a major.
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Apparently Belmo and PDW worked things out.
https://www.facebook.com/belmofanpage/photos/a.10151728593763174.1073741825.79784498173/10152746074188174/?type=1&theater
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In every professional sport, there's always a heel, a bad guy, a d-bag. Well, lets welcome PDW to that category. He seems to have a smug attitude about himself every time he bowls a major.
Oh, be blunt, for Gods sake. Every time he freaking bowls, he's that way.
Maybe as he has gotten older, he is better behaved off lanes, as a human being, but on lanes, he's still a d*ck! and it seems he will always be one. No, I'm not just talking aggressive; he's insultingly abrasive in a major way.
Let's be honest here: if he could, if he were bowling you, he'd bite you in the nuts while you're on the approach. if he could get away with it
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I agree with most of what you say Gene...and never knocked Weber's talent.
I just want to add that I'm not looking for Storm to pull his lightning bolt.
Rather than say much more, I'll just say I agree with everything C300_Rye says. If PDW was a tennis player we'd all shrug because we respect tennis players as athletes and performers and that respect translates into a sport which is a lurcrative career for many. Bowling is viewed as a joke by most and that translates into a sport that can't even be the primary income for a very small handful of people. A 50+ year old man acting like a child over a mildly oily towel isn't much, but it doesn't take much to make the 2015 US Open malaise spread and kill pro bowling altogether.
Love or hate his personality/antics, PDW is probably the most talented bowler of all time up to this point. The fact that he was still right in the hunt at yet another major goes to prove that. I'm not a fiery, in-your-face type of guy like Pete; however, that doesn't mean it's wrong for people to be that way within reason.
Pete didn't run up on the approach and threaten to knock Belmo out for putting his towel there. He asked the tournament directors to enforce their own policy. Heck, I've seen fist fights and near fist fights during league bowling over things that were even more trivial than towelgate, so let's not act as if Pete's behavior was grossly out of line. Was he a bit childish/unprofessional, maybe, but is that any worse than Rash screaming "bottle bi#tch" at Belmo a few years back? Is it worse than Walter Ray whining about the conditions every time he leaves a 10-pin? Is it worse than hearing Bill O'Neil mutter under his breath about how badly the guys in the previous matches broke the lanes down? Bowlers, even the best ones in the world, are human beings, and human beings get frustrated from time to time. Pete got frustrated, and he acted like a bit of a baby. It's not the first time that's happened (to him or any other bowler), and it certainly won't be the last.
Lastly, Interstate4, you need to realize that for every person like you who dislikes PDW because of his attitude and antics, there are just as many if not more people on the other side who like him specifically because of those very things. As such, while I appreciate your initiative in letting Storm know your thoughts, I wouldn't count on seeing Pete's lightning bolt pulled anytime soon.
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The poker comparison I made had nothing to do with who throws tantrums. And I NEVER watch poker, so I wouldn't know. I do know that somehow poker has managed to become a more lucrative and far healthier "sport" than bowling.
The "Who Do You Think You Are I Am" was a popcorn f*rt overhyped by the PBA with less of a lingering impact.
The poker comparison was to point out that bowling is such a mess that it's been passed by poker.
Weber is one of the most talented bowlers ever. And bowling has gone from respected to rejected during his career. The delusional PBA that thinks it's the USTA or PGA still believes the game is healthy while some it's most talented performers live in their cars. I say bowling is either dead or on the verge of death...and has almost no margin for error or foolishness to live again. The PBA and you seem to view "Who Do You Think You Are I Am" as great proof of bowling's relevance and mass appeal. I look at how TV networks fall over themselves to throw ever increasing money at live sports in the age of TIVO and the DVR and yet they can't justify live finals for the WSOB or find enough money to stage a US Open. I'll just say we'll agree to disagree. Other sports can survive clown acts and even find a way to make them attract viewers. IMO bowling isn't nearly healthy enough to do so.
Good lord...poker gets good ratings and can make people money. I don't know that bowling ever can again. Lighthearted celebrity stuff just expands the market. I have no problem with that. If I want to see a midget rant and rave over a towel I'll subscribe to the WWE network and look back at old matches. I won't watch bowling.
You do know you just ruined your whole point by bring up poker don't you? The biggest winners in poker or some of the loudest crybabies ever....in fact Phil Helmuth embraces it so much he calls himself the "Poker Brat". Half of the interest in watching poker on TV is to see Helmuth blow up, or to see Mike Matusow go off on someone....the list goes on and on. So maybe instead of whining like a child yourself....you can grow up and realize that Weber is one of the greatest bowlers of all time. He plays a version of himself on TV. He usually bowls better when he is "upset" over something, it just didn't work this time. How much press did bowling and the PBA get over "Who do you think you are? I AM!" a few years ago? It made Sportscenter, regular news programs, etc.. Didn't see you complaining then? Or you can just continue to call Pete Weber names, like a petualant child, and your next rant can be about yourself. ::)
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Ha ha, the haters will always hate... PDW could bowl circles around all of you & knows more about bowling, surface adjustments, best abralon pads, best cleaners & core specs than all of you wannabees combined... Keep on hating, LoL!! Go PDW!!
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Ha ha, the haters will always hate... PDW could bowl circles around all of you & knows more about bowling, surface adjustments, best abralon pads, best cleaners & core specs than all of you wannabees combined... Keep on hating, LoL!! Go PDW!!
I'm not sure what this had to do with anything, but I'm generally a fan of PDW, but he acted like a total douche on the show. Pete is as animated and tries to get in people's head as much as anyone. He had no business worrying about where a pad was. Belmo has had his gaffes in the past, but I couldn't care less where his towel/pad was. A rosin bag could easily leave some residue, but a Storm shammy? If anything I'd bet that Pete was trying to get into Belmo's head by throwing off his routine.
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Ha ha, the haters will always hate... PDW could bowl circles around all of you & knows more about bowling, surface adjustments, best abralon pads, best cleaners & core specs than all of you wannabees combined... Keep on hating, LoL!! Go PDW!!
That has nothing to do with the fact that he is not much of a human being.
I accept and admit that he is one of the best bowlers ever. period. No ifs, ands or buts, but he is also one of the worst examples of a human being that ever existed.
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Ha ha, the haters will always hate... PDW could bowl circles around all of you & knows more about bowling, surface adjustments, best abralon pads, best cleaners & core specs than all of you wannabees combined... Keep on hating, LoL!! Go PDW!!
That has nothing to do with the fact that he is not much of a human being.
I accept and admit that he is one of the best bowlers ever. period. No ifs, ands or buts, but he is also one of the worst examples of a human being that ever existed.
Thank you for this sweeping generalization with no substantial basis, thank you. I mean with all the killers, rapists, pedophiles etc walking around, lets put a Pro Bowler in that same ilk.
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livespive, I won't call you dim, but as I said earlier, PDW threw two perfect shots in the 8th and 9th and nothing happened leading up to the 10th that threw him off his game. Think what you want, but you're speaking from outer space. Gene is right, there are more that like PDW than hate!!!
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I have met PDW and he was wonderfully friendly off the lanes. He does many good things off the lanes. Did he get a little worked up on Sunday? Yes! Was it way over the top? Only in a low IQ individual's mind. Did he get upset to the point it cost him the match? I don't know how since he rocked the pocket in the 8th and 9th. He simply seemed to ease up on the shot in the tenth and it took off on him. He was just playing the same game Belmo was. There was a little black table right next to the ball rack and if Belmo wanted to set his towel there he would have. Whether he put his towel on Pete's ball or on the ball rack, doesn't make a difference. They have an agreement that nobody puts their stuff up there , then they shouldn't and anyone who does, is doing it on purpose! Get over it. What happened Sunday doesn't make a bit of difference to anyone who doesn't care about bowling! BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT WATCHING!!! Bowlers stirred up at PDW are just haters, in the same ilk as the Marshall Holmen haters were. They didn't mean sh*t then and don't now!!
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I don't hate pete, I just watched him throw more than one shot that wasn't him.
Not just the big trainwreck, that one was just the most noticiable.
As said earlier, Pete is good, I'll give hime that, and we need color in the broadcast, but not like that.
livespive, I won't call you dim, but as I said earlier, PDW threw two perfect shots in the 8th and 9th and nothing happened leading up to the 10th that threw him off his game. Think what you want, but you're speaking from outer space. Gene is right, there are more that like PDW than hate!!!
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Ha ha, the haters will always hate... PDW could bowl circles around all of you & knows more about bowling, surface adjustments, best abralon pads, best cleaners & core specs than all of you wannabees combined... Keep on hating, LoL!! Go PDW!!
That has nothing to do with the fact that he is not much of a human being.
I accept and admit that he is one of the best bowlers ever. period. No ifs, ands or buts, but he is also one of the worst examples of a human being that ever existed.
Thank you for this sweeping generalization with no substantial basis, thank you. I mean with all the killers, rapists, pedophiles etc walking around, lets put a Pro Bowler in that same ilk.
Yeah, he murders the pins... Next they'll be complaining that he says, "Hi mom" at least once a game when the camera pans on him sitting waiting his turn... Yeah, that's a terrible guy... ::)
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PDW isn't a terrible person. Most people who know or met him all say the opposite. He is a poor sportsman in many cases as far as we see on television.
I'm not sure all of the faux pas of professional bowling but I am pretty sure the crotch chop and yelling out PDW would certainly be a few of them.
From what I have seen of the match so far watching on youtube PDW was done by the 1st frame. He was on edge and obviously focused on the approach issues and likely even over compensating for it. He is human, and that happens to many in normal situations let alone in a huge spot light such as that.
Not a PDW fan and I think it is safe to say his antics are up there with any ones and very visible. He lost as soon as the match started.
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The poker comparison I made had nothing to do with who throws tantrums. And I NEVER watch poker, so I wouldn't know. I do know that somehow poker has managed to become a more lucrative and far healthier "sport" than bowling.
The "Who Do You Think You Are I Am" was a popcorn f*rt overhyped by the PBA with less of a lingering impact.
The poker comparison was to point out that bowling is such a mess that it's been passed by poker.
Weber is one of the most talented bowlers ever. And bowling has gone from respected to rejected during his career. The delusional PBA that thinks it's the USTA or PGA still believes the game is healthy while some it's most talented performers live in their cars. I say bowling is either dead or on the verge of death...and has almost no margin for error or foolishness to live again. The PBA and you seem to view "Who Do You Think You Are I Am" as great proof of bowling's relevance and mass appeal. I look at how TV networks fall over themselves to throw ever increasing money at live sports in the age of TIVO and the DVR and yet they can't justify live finals for the WSOB or find enough money to stage a US Open. I'll just say we'll agree to disagree. Other sports can survive clown acts and even find a way to make them attract viewers. IMO bowling isn't nearly healthy enough to do so.
So let me see if I got this: You want to compare bowling to something you NEVER watch...and you want us to believe you are correct? Not only do you not watch what you are comparing bowling to, but in picking poker you totally obliterated your so-called point, as poker has many many more whiners and cry-babys then bowling....but again, your supposed to be correct? ::)
Now let's talk about your description of Pete Weber....respected to rejected....really?!? If anything it is the other way around. The younger Weber was a mess, trying to live up to his last name and his father's legacy. He was suspended from the tour at least once, but I believe it was 2 or 3 times (not certain on that though). He had alcohol and/or substance abuse issues. But as he got older, he actually matured, cleaned himself up, and became respected as one of the greatest bowlers of all time. He routinely, as I have heard and others have said in this thread, takes time, more time than others usually do, to interact with the fans who attend these events....cause he is such a poor ambassador for bowling ::) .
Now onto PDW's infamous comment. It is what it is...it's not the end all be all of anything. But, like it or not, it drew attention to the sport. It was on news broadcasts, Sportscenter, etc....where people who normally don't watch bowling will see it. Maybe, just maybe seeing something like that gets a few new people to tune into the next telecast. How is that a bad thing? Oh I know, cause you said so. ::)
So while I am fine to "agree to disagree" at least try to disagree with actual points, instead of this BS. And maybe next time you want to compare bowling to something, compare it to something you actually know something about, instead of pulling things out of your rear.
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Ha ha, the haters will always hate... PDW could bowl circles around all of you & knows more about bowling, surface adjustments, best abralon pads, best cleaners & core specs than all of you wannabees combined... Keep on hating, LoL!! Go PDW!!
That has nothing to do with the fact that he is not much of a human being.
I accept and admit that he is one of the best bowlers ever. period. No ifs, ands or buts, but he is also one of the worst examples of a human being that ever existed.
Thank you for this sweeping generalization with no substantial basis, thank you. I mean with all the killers, rapists, pedophiles etc walking around, lets put a Pro Bowler in that same ilk.
Substantial basis?
I've seen him in person and Ive seen him on TV. That's enough for my eyes.
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While many of us aren't fans of his personality, most of us admire his talent, and more specifically, his pure release. I'm sure Storm doesn't want two of their most visible guys in a war, so there may have been some encouragement to patch things up (at least visibly).
These pros are under some serious pressure because their prize money has shrunk tremendously over recent years, and making a living that they may have become accustomed to is more difficult than ever. It doesn't surprise me when we see one of them "not at his best".
Some people are just more intense and show emotions more visibly, and perhaps say things that another bowler doesn't vocalize. Add to that the fact that nowadays every move you make, and thing you say ends up on youtube and your every move is scrutinized and magnified. I don't envy their position at all.
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I barely know Pete ( he wouldn't remember me ) but from crossing with him a couple of times many years ago he is an intense competitor who doesn't always come across the best right after he loses. I think being in the shadow of his dad from the time he was 17 put pressure on him that he didn't handle well. Most of the on the lane stuff that riles people is tv persona, just as it was with Schlegel, another tough competitor who I do know. Maybe I just have a soft spot for the bad guys, because I like Ernie, and Marshal Holman who also could throw a tantrum from time to time.
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Jorge. I don't have to watch poker on espn to know it would bore me. I stand by the popcorn fart comment and only wish we were interviewing for the same job in my field.
Ambassadors for a game appeal to those beyond drooling die hard fans. I've seen him during pro ams and found him pleasant. But the hundreds who see that pale in numbers to those who see weber the whiner on tv.
I'm more confident in the logic I can yank out of my rear than any you could try to articulate. If you want to call me stupid pm me and we can battle wits. It would be like a mental sparring session for me with the slow bag. Praise or trash bowlers all you want in here. I prefer to limit my opinions to bowlers until others shoot first. But if you can't keep your cool hang out with your idol pdw or someone else who is your mental equal. Im sure there are more than a few out there.
quote author=Jorge300 link=topic=307025.msg2520129#msg2520129 date=1423668946]
The poker comparison I made had nothing to do with who throws tantrums. And I NEVER watch poker, so I wouldn't know. I do know that somehow poker has managed to become a more lucrative and far healthier "sport" than bowling.
The "Who Do You Think You Are I Am" was a popcorn f*rt overhyped by the PBA with less of a lingering impact.
The poker comparison was to point out that bowling is such a mess that it's been passed by poker.
Weber is one of the most talented bowlers ever. And bowling has gone from respected to rejected during his career. The delusional PBA that thinks it's the USTA or PGA still believes the game is healthy while some it's most talented performers live in their cars. I say bowling is either dead or on the verge of death...and has almost no margin for error or foolishness to live again. The PBA and you seem to view "Who Do You Think You Are I Am" as great proof of bowling's relevance and mass appeal. I look at how TV networks fall over themselves to throw ever increasing money at live sports in the age of TIVO and the DVR and yet they can't justify live finals for the WSOB or find enough money to stage a US Open. I'll just say we'll agree to disagree. Other sports can survive clown acts and even find a way to make them attract viewers. IMO bowling isn't nearly healthy enough to do so.
So let me see if I got this: You want to compare bowling to something you NEVER watch...and you want us to believe you are correct? Not only do you not watch what you are comparing bowling to, but in picking poker you totally obliterated your so-called point, as poker has many many more whiners and cry-babys then bowling....but again, your supposed to be correct? ::)
Now let's talk about your description of Pete Weber....respected to rejected....really?!? If anything it is the other way around. The younger Weber was a mess, trying to live up to his last name and his father's legacy. He was suspended from the tour at least once, but I believe it was 2 or 3 times (not certain on that though). He had alcohol and/or substance abuse issues. But as he got older, he actually matured, cleaned himself up, and became respected as one of the greatest bowlers of all time. He routinely, as I have heard and others have said in this thread, takes time, more time than others usually do, to interact with the fans who attend these events....cause he is such a poor ambassador for bowling ::) .
Now onto PDW's infamous comment. It is what it is...it's not the end all be all of anything. But, like it or not, it drew attention to the sport. It was on news broadcasts, Sportscenter, etc....where people who normally don't watch bowling will see it. Maybe, just maybe seeing something like that gets a few new people to tune into the next telecast. How is that a bad thing? Oh I know, cause you said so. ::)
So while I am fine to "agree to disagree" at least try to disagree with actual points, instead of this BS. And maybe next time you want to compare bowling to something, compare it to something you actually know something about, instead of pulling things out of your rear.
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Yup, you are so smart....you can't even work the quote function. ROFLMAO
What is your field? Making mud pies, that's about the level of intelligence you've projected here. ::) 8)
And by the way, I am not a PDW fan, I respect what he has accomplished in our sport and believe the "antics" that have your panties in such a bunch are designed for TV. As I stated, and you conveniently never responded to, PDW is recognizable enough to be featured in a "This is Sportscenter" commercial. So he must be doing something right....unlike you. I am glad you're powers of deduction are so strong that you KNOW poker would bore you without ever watching it, LMAO. What else bores you that you haven't watched? ::)
There used to be poster here in the Non-Bowling forum that used this kind of idiotic logic...but he was banned multiple times. I know you aren't him since he wouldn't be dumb enough to try and sneak back in again. :o
Jorge. I don't have to watch poker on espn to know it would bore me. I stand by the popcorn fart comment and only wish we were interviewing for the same job in my field.
Ambassadors for a game appeal to those beyond drooling die hard fans. I've seen him during pro ams and found him pleasant. But the hundreds who see that pale in numbers to those who see weber the whiner on tv.
I'm more confident in the logic I can yank out of my rear than any you could try to articulate. If you want to call me stupid pm me and we can battle wits. It would be like a mental sparring session for me with the slow bag. Praise or trash bowlers all you want in here. I prefer to limit my opinions to bowlers until others shoot first. But if you can't keep your cool hang out with your idol pdw or someone else who is your mental equal. Im sure there are more than a few out there.
quote author=Jorge300 link=topic=307025.msg2520129#msg2520129 date=1423668946]
The poker comparison I made had nothing to do with who throws tantrums. And I NEVER watch poker, so I wouldn't know. I do know that somehow poker has managed to become a more lucrative and far healthier "sport" than bowling.
The "Who Do You Think You Are I Am" was a popcorn f*rt overhyped by the PBA with less of a lingering impact.
The poker comparison was to point out that bowling is such a mess that it's been passed by poker.
Weber is one of the most talented bowlers ever. And bowling has gone from respected to rejected during his career. The delusional PBA that thinks it's the USTA or PGA still believes the game is healthy while some it's most talented performers live in their cars. I say bowling is either dead or on the verge of death...and has almost no margin for error or foolishness to live again. The PBA and you seem to view "Who Do You Think You Are I Am" as great proof of bowling's relevance and mass appeal. I look at how TV networks fall over themselves to throw ever increasing money at live sports in the age of TIVO and the DVR and yet they can't justify live finals for the WSOB or find enough money to stage a US Open. I'll just say we'll agree to disagree. Other sports can survive clown acts and even find a way to make them attract viewers. IMO bowling isn't nearly healthy enough to do so.
So let me see if I got this: You want to compare bowling to something you NEVER watch...and you want us to believe you are correct? Not only do you not watch what you are comparing bowling to, but in picking poker you totally obliterated your so-called point, as poker has many many more whiners and cry-babys then bowling....but again, your supposed to be correct? ::)
Now let's talk about your description of Pete Weber....respected to rejected....really?!? If anything it is the other way around. The younger Weber was a mess, trying to live up to his last name and his father's legacy. He was suspended from the tour at least once, but I believe it was 2 or 3 times (not certain on that though). He had alcohol and/or substance abuse issues. But as he got older, he actually matured, cleaned himself up, and became respected as one of the greatest bowlers of all time. He routinely, as I have heard and others have said in this thread, takes time, more time than others usually do, to interact with the fans who attend these events....cause he is such a poor ambassador for bowling ::) .
Now onto PDW's infamous comment. It is what it is...it's not the end all be all of anything. But, like it or not, it drew attention to the sport. It was on news broadcasts, Sportscenter, etc....where people who normally don't watch bowling will see it. Maybe, just maybe seeing something like that gets a few new people to tune into the next telecast. How is that a bad thing? Oh I know, cause you said so. ::)
So while I am fine to "agree to disagree" at least try to disagree with actual points, instead of this BS. And maybe next time you want to compare bowling to something, compare it to something you actually know something about, instead of pulling things out of your rear.