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lilpossum1

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Sick of crappy conditions! (Rant)
« on: December 15, 2014, 08:01:05 AM »
This whole winter league, the lane conditions have been awful! It is not that the league has a hard shot, it is just awful with carry down. Not burnt up lanes, actual carry down left over from prior leagues and open bowling. The lanes are stripped completely for the Tuesday league, the back ends are stripped for Thursday, and then more oil is just squirted on the lane for the rest of the leagues. By the time Sunday rolls around, the lanes are shot. I can't get a ball to roll through the pocket. I can get a ball to hook, but with no drive or hit. I watched a friend bowl on another pair last night, and his ball didn't even read any dry part of the lane. The rotation was the same from his hand all the way to the end of the pin deck. I am not asking for an easy THS, just a shot where I can be rewarded with a strike on a perfectly thrown ball

 

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Re: Sick of crappy conditions! (Rant)
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2014, 02:31:30 PM »
I would love to bowl on a sport shot league because I know I have to be precise with my shots based on the design of the shot, but what I don't want to bowl on is a nearly impossible shot that is left over from three leagues and weekend open bowling, just because the lanes are not stripped.

What does the house tell you when you express this to them?


Probably something along the lines of "I swear to God if ONE MORE PERSON complains about the lane conditions, I'll turn this whole place into an 'Entertainment Center' and never deal with league bowlers again!!" :P
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Re: Sick of crappy conditions! (Rant)
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2014, 02:34:34 PM »
Nick, the guy that normally oils and strips, said that it is a PITA to strip the lanes without a machine. One of my teammates, who has helped strip the lanes a few times, agrees with him. The owner of the house won't buy a lane machine for one reason or another, so they use the squirt bottle and mop to oil. The house is unkept, and tile from in front of the approach is coming up and missing in some spots. My shoes continually catch it, and is tearing them up. I am about to just say to hell with this house, and go to the other one in the area permanently. The only thing keeping me at this one is that I like the people on the league. Most of them anyway. This house has buckets hanging from the ceiling to catch water. As for joining Tuesday, there are entirely too many people on that league that I do not want to bowl with, like the woman that accused me of cheating at bowling poker just because I won a lot of games and she didn't. Believe me, I am working on my spare game. It is better now than it has ever been. It has dropped from not being able to string strikes because of no carry.

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Re: Sick of crappy conditions! (Rant)
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2014, 02:40:35 PM »
I can vouch for the lane guys from experience... stripping lanes with that method DOES suck!

Do they have a manual drag mop (spans the entire lane) to even the oil? If so, do they drag from the back of the pindeck to foul line, and advance the fabric for each lane? That's how we did it back in the day - it helped some with carry-down, but won't eliminate it.
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Re: Sick of crappy conditions! (Rant)
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2014, 02:48:46 PM »
Since the lane conditions are not going to change, it just means that you have to change your mental outlook on the experience.  Currently, it is negatively effecting you.  Since the whole league is down in average, you are still at the same competitive rate as you are in other leagues, just at a lower average so its not like you have fallen behind the other top bowlers in the league.  Embrace the conditions as a challenge and a chance to work on other parts of your game other than your carry.  If you can accept the experience in a more positive manner, even if you don't improve your scores, you will be able to enjoy the experience of bowling with your friends more.

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Re: Sick of crappy conditions! (Rant)
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2014, 03:33:29 PM »
What's amusing to me about this is that I actually long for a situation like this. I would love to look at a league sheet and see a place where the top bowlers in the 190's to low 200's, and everyone else was 180 or lower. That reminds me of what bowling was like in the urethane days in the little center I grew up bowling in.

Now, that being said, I can understand your frustration if the shot is difficult due to laziness/poor maintenance as opposed to something that is being done be design. I want conditions to be challenging, but they need to be fair/realistic also. Sadly, you really only have three choices. You can embrace the challenge and try to make yourself better because of it, you can talk to the proprietor and/or threaten to take your business elsewhere (and possibly take some others with you), or you can actually quit and go to a center with better lane-maintenance practices. You have to determine what's going to make you happiest in the long run. Bowling is supposed to be fun, so if these conditions are making it that bad for you, don't bother.

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Re: Sick of crappy conditions! (Rant)
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2014, 04:31:13 PM »
What's amusing to me about this is that I actually long for a situation like this. I would love to look at a league sheet and see a place where the top bowlers in the 190's to low 200's, and everyone else was 180 or lower. That reminds me of what bowling was like in the urethane days in the little center I grew up bowling in.

Now, that being said, I can understand your frustration if the shot is difficult due to laziness/poor maintenance as opposed to something that is being done be design. I want conditions to be challenging, but they need to be fair/realistic also. Sadly, you really only have three choices. You can embrace the challenge and try to make yourself better because of it, you can talk to the proprietor and/or threaten to take your business elsewhere (and possibly take some others with you), or you can actually quit and go to a center with better lane-maintenance practices. You have to determine what's going to make you happiest in the long run. Bowling is supposed to be fun, so if these conditions are making it that bad for you, don't bother.

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Re: Sick of crappy conditions! (Rant)
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2014, 05:10:27 PM »
MI 2.  You are like a breath of fresh air.  Most bowlers today can't handle frustration.  I used to always recommend some mental exercises instead of bowling exercises when a bowler exhibited some physical talent but couldn't advance.   Having a four ball bag just for league doesn't work all the time.

For a little bit of levity....I bowled for years at an alley where the lane man used to start on one end
of the house and drag the mop back to front, go to next lane and drag it front to back and so on, alternating lanes.  Leave the mop at the end he finished on to start the next day.  Lanes were stripped once a week.  The day of stripping no one could bowl they were so dry.  Part of bowling strategy was to see where he left the mop each day, and don't bowl on the day they stripped..  A really good bowler in those days in the 190-200 class.  The rest of us were in the 160-180 class.  I always remembered the "good" bowlers were always laughing and enjoying their bowling.

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Re: Sick of crappy conditions! (Rant)
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2014, 05:33:55 PM »
I've been taking care of the lanes at our small center for 33 years. I strip the last twenty feet with a towel dunked in a bucket of lane cleaner and wrung out. The rest of the lane I take a clean towel and buff forward and back (not side to side) from the spot I quit stripping to the foul line. I then oil the lanes with a roll-a mop and cross-wipe the lanes spreading the oil with a lino-duster. After completing that I take the lino-duster and make two passes from the foul line to the end of the oil. I have always been told the shot was fair to all bowlers and scoreable. Once had one of the top bowlers from a larger city near us, who happened to be working in our city for a couple of weeks, came in and bowled for something to do and he remarked that is was a very nice shot for such a small place doing the lanes by hand.
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Re: Sick of crappy conditions! (Rant)
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2014, 06:26:26 PM »
I would buy an old zone pro or quantum with the ultra - high particle loads...  I'm convinced there is no condition that can't be beat through technology. 😉
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Re: Sick of crappy conditions! (Rant)
« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2014, 06:30:30 PM »
I've been taking care of the lanes at our small center for 33 years. I strip the last twenty feet with a towel dunked in a bucket of lane cleaner and wrung out. The rest of the lane I take a clean towel and buff forward and back (not side to side) from the spot I quit stripping to the foul line. I then oil the lanes with a roll-a mop and cross-wipe the lanes spreading the oil with a lino-duster. After completing that I take the lino-duster and make two passes from the foul line to the end of the oil. I have always been told the shot was fair to all bowlers and scoreable. Once had one of the top bowlers from a larger city near us, who happened to be working in our city for a couple of weeks, come in and bowl for something to do and he remarked that is was a very nice shot for such a small place doing the lanes by hand.

Sir, you are by far the most dedicated lane man I have ever heard of, Bravo!
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Re: Sick of crappy conditions! (Rant)
« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2014, 06:45:02 PM »
I've been taking care of the lanes at our small center for 33 years. I strip the last twenty feet with a towel dunked in a bucket of lane cleaner and wrung out. The rest of the lane I take a clean towel and buff forward and back (not side to side) from the spot I quit stripping to the foul line. I then oil the lanes with a roll-a mop and cross-wipe the lanes spreading the oil with a lino-duster. After completing that I take the lino-duster and make two passes from the foul line to the end of the oil. I have always been told the shot was fair to all bowlers and scoreable. Once had one of the top bowlers from a larger city near us, who happened to be working in our city for a couple of weeks, come in and bowl for something to do and he remarked that is was a very nice shot for such a small place doing the lanes by hand.

Sir, you are by far the most dedicated lane man I have ever heard of, Bravo!

I was going to mention that! that's pretty cool, like a tradition...
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Re: Sick of crappy conditions! (Rant)
« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2014, 06:56:11 PM »
Lanes are to be conditioned to protect the lanes not to enhance or facilitate a scoring environment....we've forgotten the factor 30 some odd years ago
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Re: Sick of crappy conditions! (Rant)
« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2014, 08:05:08 PM »
Thanks for the compliments. I take pride in what I do and check the lanes everyday to see where the play wore the shot out. I also do everything I can to put the same shot out every time I do them. I want the guys to enjoy coming to the lanes and know they won't be scratching their heads each night wondering what has been done with the lanes. They aren't easy, but if you know what you're doing and make the right adjustments, you can score. The owner of the place bought an old century machine that needed work, but in the end he stayed with me doing the lanes because he knew what he had with me and not with the machine.

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Re: Sick of crappy conditions! (Rant)
« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2014, 08:28:04 PM »
When Nick oils, he starts at the front of the lane, squirts a little behind the foul line, pushes it up to the line, then drags it back however far he wants it. I don't know how wide of a shot he puts out. He doesn't do a lot of effort, but he can put out a very consistent shot if the lanes aren't screwed up before he goes to oil them

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Re: Sick of crappy conditions! (Rant)
« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2014, 09:59:03 PM »
This is where even though I like good lane maintenance, tough conditions are what separate the men from the boys.  The house I bowled at last year had similar issues where the lane machine was screwed up and putting out up to 2x the oil volume we would normally see.  It brought the entire league down but it was nice to see the hot shots only averaging in the 190's-200's instead of the usual 210-220+ averages.  I struggled with this at first but had to learn to adjust with slowing ball speed, changing surfaces, and also playing tighter angles/straighter.  The good thing is that it also forced me to work on my spare game and that improved.

I know it can be frustrating, but think of it as a great opportunity to become even better.
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