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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: lilpossum1 on December 15, 2014, 08:01:05 AM
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This whole winter league, the lane conditions have been awful! It is not that the league has a hard shot, it is just awful with carry down. Not burnt up lanes, actual carry down left over from prior leagues and open bowling. The lanes are stripped completely for the Tuesday league, the back ends are stripped for Thursday, and then more oil is just squirted on the lane for the rest of the leagues. By the time Sunday rolls around, the lanes are shot. I can't get a ball to roll through the pocket. I can get a ball to hook, but with no drive or hit. I watched a friend bowl on another pair last night, and his ball didn't even read any dry part of the lane. The rotation was the same from his hand all the way to the end of the pin deck. I am not asking for an easy THS, just a shot where I can be rewarded with a strike on a perfectly thrown ball
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Hopefully you feel better now. Its good to get things out.
What you described used to be the order of operations at my local center 20 years ago.
Not much you can do, just bowl and make the most of it. These conditions should make you better at picking up spares.
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I feel like I cannot win any games for our team, but I can sure lose them for us. If I make all my spares or almost all of them, I make average. If I somehow put a few strikes together by luck, I am a little above average, and we may win. If I miss a few spares, I am under average. I can't strike enough to throw a good game on these conditions. It is up to my two left handed teammates and my lower average right handed teammate to win the games, and it is all by those three making spares more than usual.
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I feel like I cannot win any games for our team, but I can sure lose them for us. If I make all my spares or almost all of them, I make average. If I somehow put a few strikes together by luck, I am a little above average, and we may win. If I miss a few spares, I am under average. I can't strike enough to throw a good game on these conditions. It is up to my two left handed teammates and my lower average right handed teammate to win the games, and it is all by those three making spares more than usual.
So you are the only one having to play on the "crappy" conditions? I've never heard of a league where each bowler has their own lane.
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I feel like I cannot win any games for our team, but I can sure lose them for us. If I make all my spares or almost all of them, I make average. If I somehow put a few strikes together by luck, I am a little above average, and we may win. If I miss a few spares, I am under average. I can't strike enough to throw a good game on these conditions. It is up to my two left handed teammates and my lower average right handed teammate to win the games, and it is all by those three making spares more than usual.
There is no "I" in team. You win together and lose together. If you keep using flawed logic (black/white thinking) you'll never see that it's a combination of you AND them (YOU can strike more and THEY can make more spares etc).
As to the OP:
I am not asking for an easy THS, just a shot where I can be rewarded with a strike on a perfectly thrown ball
Are you sure you're throwing "perfectly"?
I believe there is a solution/correct adjustments to the pattern. It sounds like you're wanting the conditions to adjust to you as opposed to you adjusting to the conditions.
After bowling on some of the most difficult PBA/Sport patterns as I have over the summers.....it's hard for me to complain about ANY THS that carries down/burns up/gets spotty/wet-dry etc.......
I think the issue is a confidence issue (few strikes together BY LUCK) as opposed to the pattern.
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It's apples and oranges, but the mental approach to any difficult situation is very similar. Golf condition and Bowling conditions, they are not the same, but their "conditions" can either make you or break you, it's up to you and who you want to be that day. There are things we cannot change, but sometimes you have to swim with the current in order to reach the shore.....
(The "entitlement" has become the norm in our society and it has pussified this country. Even the NFL has became a game of catch - even though my Seahawks won yesterday, the hit on Wilson was textbook. But, the Refs side on Safety with the NFL rules....Ok I'll stop.)
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Every person in the league that throws a hook has a lower average now than they usually do. My average is 10 pins lower, both left handers on my team are 20-30 pins lower, and the other right handed on my team is 10-20 pins lower, all from an inability to throw strikes. I can and do adjust. I don't expect the shot to adjust to me. The 215-220 average bowler on the league is averaging 196, and is the highest average bowler on the league. All the 190+ average bowlers are in the low 180's. I am not the problem here. There have been no 700's shot. There have been two 250+ games shot, with one of them by me on one of two nights where I actually did have a shot, and the other was shot last night on another pair, and nearly every one of his strikes was a light mixer or a tripped 5 pin. By winning a game for my team, I mean throwing a game a fair amount of pins over average. It is the way it is said in my area. I am not so vain as to take credit for a win all by myself.
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It is not that I feel like I am entitled to good scores, I just feel like it is a bunch of crap that bowlers on this league have nothing to show for when they throw the ball well.
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I just feel like it is a bunch of crap that bowlers on this league have nothing to show for when they throw the ball well.
You're missing my point. If you're really "throwing it well" you will have something to show for it. "Throwing it well" is all relative to the condition you're on.
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I can understand that if it was a handful of the league bowlers being unable to score, but the whole league? I have tried different balls at different surfaces. I have thrown everywhere from pointing the ball at the pocket from the right gutter to center arrow throwing two handed. I have thrown with speed and thrown it slowly. Best I have thrown is 620 something, and it is one of the higher series on the league
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I can understand that if it was a handful of the league bowlers being unable to score, but the whole league? I have tried different balls at different surfaces. I have thrown everywhere from pointing the ball at the pocket from the right gutter to center arrow throwing two handed. I have thrown with speed and thrown it slowly. Best I have thrown is 620 something, and it is one of the higher series on the league.
Then that IS a high score if the scoring pace is so low for everyone. At that point it's a premium on a solid spare game and about managing the overall game and the pocket.
Count me among the few that would rather work for 650, rather than knowing I threw it bad and still shoot 700+.
It honestly does sound to me like you want the conditions adjust so the scoring pace can rise.
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I would love to bowl on a sport shot league because I know I have to be precise with my shots based on the design of the shot, but what I don't want to bowl on is a nearly impossible shot that is left over from three leagues and weekend open bowling, just because the lanes are not stripped.
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I would love to bowl on a sport shot league because I know I have to be precise with my shots based on the design of the shot, but what I don't want to bowl on is a nearly impossible shot that is left over from three leagues and weekend open bowling, just because the lanes are not stripped.
What does the house tell you when you express this to them?
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If you dropped just 10 pins, then you need to work on your spare game.
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If you want to bowl on the fresh join a Tuesday league, not Sunday. Problem solved.
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I would love to bowl on a sport shot league because I know I have to be precise with my shots based on the design of the shot, but what I don't want to bowl on is a nearly impossible shot that is left over from three leagues and weekend open bowling, just because the lanes are not stripped.
What does the house tell you when you express this to them?
Probably something along the lines of "I swear to God if ONE MORE PERSON complains about the lane conditions, I'll turn this whole place into an 'Entertainment Center' and never deal with league bowlers again!!" :P
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Nick, the guy that normally oils and strips, said that it is a PITA to strip the lanes without a machine. One of my teammates, who has helped strip the lanes a few times, agrees with him. The owner of the house won't buy a lane machine for one reason or another, so they use the squirt bottle and mop to oil. The house is unkept, and tile from in front of the approach is coming up and missing in some spots. My shoes continually catch it, and is tearing them up. I am about to just say to hell with this house, and go to the other one in the area permanently. The only thing keeping me at this one is that I like the people on the league. Most of them anyway. This house has buckets hanging from the ceiling to catch water. As for joining Tuesday, there are entirely too many people on that league that I do not want to bowl with, like the woman that accused me of cheating at bowling poker just because I won a lot of games and she didn't. Believe me, I am working on my spare game. It is better now than it has ever been. It has dropped from not being able to string strikes because of no carry.
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I can vouch for the lane guys from experience... stripping lanes with that method DOES suck!
Do they have a manual drag mop (spans the entire lane) to even the oil? If so, do they drag from the back of the pindeck to foul line, and advance the fabric for each lane? That's how we did it back in the day - it helped some with carry-down, but won't eliminate it.
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Since the lane conditions are not going to change, it just means that you have to change your mental outlook on the experience. Currently, it is negatively effecting you. Since the whole league is down in average, you are still at the same competitive rate as you are in other leagues, just at a lower average so its not like you have fallen behind the other top bowlers in the league. Embrace the conditions as a challenge and a chance to work on other parts of your game other than your carry. If you can accept the experience in a more positive manner, even if you don't improve your scores, you will be able to enjoy the experience of bowling with your friends more.
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What's amusing to me about this is that I actually long for a situation like this. I would love to look at a league sheet and see a place where the top bowlers in the 190's to low 200's, and everyone else was 180 or lower. That reminds me of what bowling was like in the urethane days in the little center I grew up bowling in.
Now, that being said, I can understand your frustration if the shot is difficult due to laziness/poor maintenance as opposed to something that is being done be design. I want conditions to be challenging, but they need to be fair/realistic also. Sadly, you really only have three choices. You can embrace the challenge and try to make yourself better because of it, you can talk to the proprietor and/or threaten to take your business elsewhere (and possibly take some others with you), or you can actually quit and go to a center with better lane-maintenance practices. You have to determine what's going to make you happiest in the long run. Bowling is supposed to be fun, so if these conditions are making it that bad for you, don't bother.
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What's amusing to me about this is that I actually long for a situation like this. I would love to look at a league sheet and see a place where the top bowlers in the 190's to low 200's, and everyone else was 180 or lower. That reminds me of what bowling was like in the urethane days in the little center I grew up bowling in.
Now, that being said, I can understand your frustration if the shot is difficult due to laziness/poor maintenance as opposed to something that is being done be design. I want conditions to be challenging, but they need to be fair/realistic also. Sadly, you really only have three choices. You can embrace the challenge and try to make yourself better because of it, you can talk to the proprietor and/or threaten to take your business elsewhere (and possibly take some others with you), or you can actually quit and go to a center with better lane-maintenance practices. You have to determine what's going to make you happiest in the long run. Bowling is supposed to be fun, so if these conditions are making it that bad for you, don't bother.
beverlylanes.com go to league standings and click on Beverly Sport on Monday nights. You'll see what you describe.
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MI 2. You are like a breath of fresh air. Most bowlers today can't handle frustration. I used to always recommend some mental exercises instead of bowling exercises when a bowler exhibited some physical talent but couldn't advance. Having a four ball bag just for league doesn't work all the time.
For a little bit of levity....I bowled for years at an alley where the lane man used to start on one end
of the house and drag the mop back to front, go to next lane and drag it front to back and so on, alternating lanes. Leave the mop at the end he finished on to start the next day. Lanes were stripped once a week. The day of stripping no one could bowl they were so dry. Part of bowling strategy was to see where he left the mop each day, and don't bowl on the day they stripped.. A really good bowler in those days in the 190-200 class. The rest of us were in the 160-180 class. I always remembered the "good" bowlers were always laughing and enjoying their bowling.
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I've been taking care of the lanes at our small center for 33 years. I strip the last twenty feet with a towel dunked in a bucket of lane cleaner and wrung out. The rest of the lane I take a clean towel and buff forward and back (not side to side) from the spot I quit stripping to the foul line. I then oil the lanes with a roll-a mop and cross-wipe the lanes spreading the oil with a lino-duster. After completing that I take the lino-duster and make two passes from the foul line to the end of the oil. I have always been told the shot was fair to all bowlers and scoreable. Once had one of the top bowlers from a larger city near us, who happened to be working in our city for a couple of weeks, came in and bowled for something to do and he remarked that is was a very nice shot for such a small place doing the lanes by hand.
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I would buy an old zone pro or quantum with the ultra - high particle loads... I'm convinced there is no condition that can't be beat through technology. 😉
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I've been taking care of the lanes at our small center for 33 years. I strip the last twenty feet with a towel dunked in a bucket of lane cleaner and wrung out. The rest of the lane I take a clean towel and buff forward and back (not side to side) from the spot I quit stripping to the foul line. I then oil the lanes with a roll-a mop and cross-wipe the lanes spreading the oil with a lino-duster. After completing that I take the lino-duster and make two passes from the foul line to the end of the oil. I have always been told the shot was fair to all bowlers and scoreable. Once had one of the top bowlers from a larger city near us, who happened to be working in our city for a couple of weeks, come in and bowl for something to do and he remarked that is was a very nice shot for such a small place doing the lanes by hand.
Sir, you are by far the most dedicated lane man I have ever heard of, Bravo!
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I've been taking care of the lanes at our small center for 33 years. I strip the last twenty feet with a towel dunked in a bucket of lane cleaner and wrung out. The rest of the lane I take a clean towel and buff forward and back (not side to side) from the spot I quit stripping to the foul line. I then oil the lanes with a roll-a mop and cross-wipe the lanes spreading the oil with a lino-duster. After completing that I take the lino-duster and make two passes from the foul line to the end of the oil. I have always been told the shot was fair to all bowlers and scoreable. Once had one of the top bowlers from a larger city near us, who happened to be working in our city for a couple of weeks, come in and bowl for something to do and he remarked that is was a very nice shot for such a small place doing the lanes by hand.
Sir, you are by far the most dedicated lane man I have ever heard of, Bravo!
I was going to mention that! that's pretty cool, like a tradition...
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Lanes are to be conditioned to protect the lanes not to enhance or facilitate a scoring environment....we've forgotten the factor 30 some odd years ago
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Thanks for the compliments. I take pride in what I do and check the lanes everyday to see where the play wore the shot out. I also do everything I can to put the same shot out every time I do them. I want the guys to enjoy coming to the lanes and know they won't be scratching their heads each night wondering what has been done with the lanes. They aren't easy, but if you know what you're doing and make the right adjustments, you can score. The owner of the place bought an old century machine that needed work, but in the end he stayed with me doing the lanes because he knew what he had with me and not with the machine.
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When Nick oils, he starts at the front of the lane, squirts a little behind the foul line, pushes it up to the line, then drags it back however far he wants it. I don't know how wide of a shot he puts out. He doesn't do a lot of effort, but he can put out a very consistent shot if the lanes aren't screwed up before he goes to oil them
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This is where even though I like good lane maintenance, tough conditions are what separate the men from the boys. The house I bowled at last year had similar issues where the lane machine was screwed up and putting out up to 2x the oil volume we would normally see. It brought the entire league down but it was nice to see the hot shots only averaging in the 190's-200's instead of the usual 210-220+ averages. I struggled with this at first but had to learn to adjust with slowing ball speed, changing surfaces, and also playing tighter angles/straighter. The good thing is that it also forced me to work on my spare game and that improved.
I know it can be frustrating, but think of it as a great opportunity to become even better.
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What I hate is not know I can strike when the chips are on the line. I know I can make the best possible shot, and it will probably be a good shot, but whether it strikes is up to the bowling gods.
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Your expectations for somebody at your skill level are unreasonable. It's time to be a little more realistic.
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Lanes are to be conditioned to protect the lanes not to enhance or facilitate a scoring environment....we've forgotten the factor 30 some odd years ago
Rico,
While that is very true, it is, in a great many cases, no longer the situation.
Too many bowling center managers are either not educated in the business of bowling lane maintenance or they are too concerned with the bottom line. In some case, the manager works under both of these "false economies".
I've found this to be true in privately owned houses, in AMF/Bowlmor houses, in Brunswick owned houses and in Nationwide Bowling owned houses. They put so little oil out that it cannot possibly protect the lane surface. I have used freshly polished balls and after one league session, the polish is worn away along the first inch or so of my track. The ball had to be re-polished. That is totally counter-productive, in my eyes. And one of these houses had relatively fresh synthetics that were 2 years old at the time, in case you thought it was an old worn lane surface that was causing this.
I am not saying every house is like this; many are properly oiled. But there are far too many that think they are saving money by stinting on the amount of oil they use.
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Just curious Charlest,
Do you loft? Because at our AMF centers there is no oil the first 3 feet of the lane surface after the foul line! For Safety.
As a bowler who's lofting ability is one of his weakest areas this has been a real problem for me....Practicing, training to add loft here!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Charlest not disagreeing...one of the last centers I worked at, the house shot was 100 units in the middle-10 to 10 and 4 units outside...the new synthetics that are supposed to last for 20 yrs lasted abt 5-7 barely...
Less conditioner properly protects the surface...unproperly ruins the surface as you've seen...
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Actually, my supreme self confidence is exactly the reason why I do want the ball in my hands in a tight game. I know my limits, and if another teams anchor bowler is a better bowler than I am, I am determined to put up a fight. That is why I am the anchor bowler on my leagues. My self confidence and determination are why I excel and chess and billiards. I hold high expectations for myself, and I am determined to meet them.
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My self confidence and determination are why I excel and chess and billiards. I hold high expectations for myself, and I am determined to meet them.
Then you should ALSO recognize that the conditions are the same for everyone and that the better bowlers are able to adopt a mindset that overcomes a lower-scoring condition. My favorite regionals were actually the ones where you had to scratch and claw to be at par after 12 games...in fact, at High Point one year, -2 LED the tournament after qualifying.
This whole thread reeks of the 'waaaah...I am not posting monster numbers...these lanes suck' mindset.
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Oh well. I am just bearing it until the end of the season. I really hate seeing 60 feet of skid throwing sanded equipment. I am really seeing why most people refuse to bowl at this house. Well, aside from equipment getting torn up.
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You should be, if you are a stellar performer, want the lanes varied...when I was at my best I bowled at as many different centers as I could so not to get acclimated to any one condition
Bowlers are TOO spoiled...
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What is your normal release, and have you changed that? Meaning, have you tried less "side" rotation (for lack of a better term for it) and tried coming more up the back of it to force forward roll in the pocket? Maybe combine with slightly slower speed to get as much traction as possible to reduce deflection.
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I bowl tournaments in the various houses in the area, and when we go on road trips, I take a bowling ball with me and bowl in houses near the hotels. I have come up the back of the ball as well as coming around it more. I have gotten the ball down sooner as well as used more loft. I have raised and lowered speed. My best result was 20 mph at the pin deck. Rocket to the pocket.
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Thought I'd mention it, just in case. Other than that, I'm out of ideas.
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I have tried literally everything I can think of. When I throw without a thumb one handed, I have an extremely high rev rate. As high of a rev rate as I have ever seen outside of YouTube videos. Still no drive. I am not exaggerating when I say that the shot is stupid. Yes, everyone is playing on it, but honestly, there is no way to play the lanes well. I am one of the top averages because I have one of the best spare games on the league. Except for the night I shot 366 and dropped my average 5 pins in the middle of the season. I chopped almost every spare that night. It was bad, and I wish I knew what I did wrong all night
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You shot 366 and think you know something about the shot. Dude, just stop. The more you post the sillier you are making yourself look, if that is possible.
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Video perhaps?
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And this is where you learn to play fallback. Think of it as that 52 foot PBA pattern! Something can be learned every time you bowl. I grew up in an honest to goodness brick house. Wood from the 50s, every time they resurfaced the lanes they had to trim the nails that were sticking up. Heads were gone before practice, back ends were stupid tight, and sidewalls were dead. First owner liked the gutter, so that was playable, until a new owner came in, one that liked playing the slow wheel. Went from playing the gutter to everything outside of 10 being out of bounds. I grew up in this condition. Then I would travel to these houses where they were wide open, and I would look like a superstar.
Either learn, or quit. Admit you don't want the challenge that'd been presented to you, and find a softer house.
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I agree with anyone complaining about league conditions. I bowl in an easy house for the rev challenge and the people think its the next best thing to a miracle like changing water into wine. I have revs and relegated to having to use urethane or in most case a plastic taboo spare. The house in question is Plano Super bowl. I remember the old days when the league got a condition across the house. In my league the oil the lanes and its open play until league shows up and then they ask for the lanes to be turned in 10 minutes prior. We have had bowlers bowl 3 four games one one or both lanes. Tell me hows this is a fair representation of the league shot. The typical house shot there is 10 out little to no oil. So what you have is really adult bumper bowling. Would be nice if the Secretary stand up for us or god forbid that the USBC come in and tell the proprietor that they were going to decertify the lanes for non compliance of a standard league shot. Oh yeah no such thing anymore. Then you have the ball companies make balls so strong that they eat up lanes (i.e. Storm Crux). WHEN will the madness stop??? The fun thing is to watch these inflated averages go to nationals and complain about how hard it was (just got to laugh).
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I just read this thread.
I have to agree this seems misplaced. Lilpossum1, you are not looking at this correctly. You say you are down 10 pins in average, so if you were 200 you are 190 now. If someone was 230, they are 220 now. They are still 30 pins better then you. It's all relative. Also, this shows you that maybe you really aren't the bowler you thought you were. Tougher conditions tend to shine the light of reality on bowlers. I averaged 230+ on THS for many years. But when I bowled a Sport Shot league for the first time, I average in the 180's. Did I complain...not at all. I worked to get better. The last time I bowled a full season in a Sports Shot league, I averaged 203 and was only behind a Team Canada member, and a Storm rep. I was very happy. You have a tremendous opportunity to use this league to improve your game, and improve your mental game. Instead of complaining, right down every thing you can do with a ball....from different releases, different lines, different surfaces. Then start trying them. One of them might work, if not, then you have more to learn.
Have you tried pointing it off the right corner, btw? Or pointing it off the 2nd arrow? You don't always have to throw the ball to the right or even straight to score well. I finished 2nd in the BTM tournament one year at Nationals, by pointing the ball off the corner slightly. In college, we had a tournament where I had to loft the ball over the gutter to score well...the right gutter (and I am right handed). If you spent the energy you used getting upset, and ranting and put that into finding a solution and working to get better....you wouldn't be 10 pins down in average anymore.
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Guys, I am sorry I have been a whiny a$$ for the last few days. I have had a lot of stress lately, and I finally broke. I had a heart to heart talk I really needed with my best friend last night, and I finally am thinking clearly again. I have been fighting this shot for the whole year, whereas I have only seen the lanes at this house get like this once every few months. I have honestly tried every trick in my arsenal, except lofting the right gutter lol. I am using this shot to get better. I don't like a super easy shot. I bowled on one shot at a house I visited where I was off my game, and still shot well over 600. Realistically, I am a 200 average bowler when I focus. I average 190's on every other league because I goof around too much with everyone instead of bowling for real. That 366? I made all of my single pin spares, but chopped every one of my multiple pin spares. I can count every strike I threw that night on one hand, and still have enough fingers left to scratch my head. And I was in the pocket all night except for one shot, where I stuck and tried to kiss the lane. Now that I am thinking clearly, I realize that the only shots I have seen where the ball actually rolls have been when the ball gets outside the 5 board, which is outside my normal shot range. I have leaked a ball out there from time to time. Sometimes it will ride the rail and hit the 6-10 area. Last Sunday, it recovered and struck. I should have learned from that, but I was ignorant and not thinking clearly. I admit, I do like to throw the big scores as much as anyone, but I do not expect it out of the shot. I guess I am also just aggravated that everyone is fighting the shot except for the straight bowlers just because of the lanes being awful by the time it gets around to our league, and also that my team keeps getting the short end of the stick and bowling a team that is on fire almost every week, while my team almost always has one or two of us having a terrible night. Yes we do win and lose as a team. Again, I am sorry I have been such a whiny a$$.
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Another thing, I am making a couple changes in my bag. I took my mastermind and sanded it down with a green scotch bright pad to really help it dig into the lane. I am putting my Nightmare back into my bag at green scotch bright with 4000 grit on top of that for more of a benchmark reaction on wetter conditions. I have never sanded my mastermind down that rough, and I haven't tried my nightmare on this shot yet. I am going to sand my primal rage back down and repolish it the way I always have where I do get a good reaction out of it on most conditions. I polished it using more pressure, and it is not reading the lane at any house. There are things I have not tried, I just was not able to see it. I really think playing around the 5 board with my nightmare will be the trick, as long as I can get my rev rate up to be able to recover from out there.
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If you have friction outside, seek to exploit it! ;)
Yes, it may be outside your comfort zone, but see it as an OPPORTUNITY to develop this part of your game.
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I am a play it safe person. I am not good at getting the ball outside. I have only started trying to do that in the last month when I needed to at a tournament because of the crazy backend that I had. I guess I need to become good at it, and quick. The league is half over, and my team hasn't won a quarter yet, and these last two weeks were not a good start. I have one teammate with a broken bowling finger that is all swollen up, one who injured his thumb while punching a wall due to his psycho girlfriend punching him in the face, and a third teammate who has been a no call no show for the last two weeks, and is behind on paying three weeks. They are making me want to pull my hair out! Good thing I have a real short haircut lol
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lilpossum,
No need to apologize. You have seen the light, metaphorically speaking, that's all that matters. I am glad you were able to get over whatever the issue was and put it behind you.
And don't knock lofting the right gutter, we finished 3rd at that tournament with 2-3 of us playing that line, lol. The others were a bit better at playing fallback shot then us so they went deep inside. I know sometimes we don't think of things like that or even pointing the ball towards the pocket, because we think we should be able to throwing up or out. Sometimes all it takes is someone to mention it to give us the kick in the pants we need to open up to new ideas again.
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Hey, I'm not knocking lofting the right gutter. I think it would work, except I have an above ground ball return that will give me hell lol.
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Well that does provide a unique problem, lol. Unless the bowler on the other lane of your pair is willing to wait, lol.
Hey, I'm not knocking lofting the right gutter. I think it would work, except I have an above ground ball return that will give me hell lol.
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Last time I saw someone try to loft gutters there, he was playing really deep for fun. The ball bounced off the corner of the gutter, landed on the ball return, and rode the ball return up into the back with the pin machines. When the lane man went back to get the ball, the ball was resting against be belt of a machine, and the belt was eating a hole through his ball. He said the smell back there was awful
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Ouch!!!
I can imagine....I remember the smell of a ball just getting lightly rubbed by the belts, and it wasn't pleasant.
I have not had to bowl with above ground ball returns in years, and my ankles are thanking me for that...at 6'4, unless the lanes were flooded, I usually hit my ankle on the return every shot on the right lane. Just adds to the fun though right?!? :)
Last time I saw someone try to loft gutters there, he was playing really deep for fun. The ball bounced off the corner of the gutter, landed on the ball return, and rode the ball return up into the back with the pin machines. When the lane man went back to get the ball, the ball was resting against be belt of a machine, and the belt was eating a hole through his ball. He said the smell back there was awful
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My right leg doesn't come up like that, but I see a lot of people that do, and it just plain looks painful. I do brush against the ball return when I throw at my 10 pins. I hate lanes 1 and 2 for shooting at 10 pins. Lane one is tight against the wall, and the wall has ribs that catch my wallet as I brush against it, and it throws me off. No clue why my arm doesn't hit the wall though... Must be some kind of subconscious thing