Post by: Neptune66 on May 13, 2009, 11:24:32 AM
Few weeks ago, I had my ball's drilling altered to a more comfortable fit. IS more comfortable and I am more accurate with it. But I have lost revs. And I didn't have that many to start with.
Happy with the drilling otherwise. Fits like a glove.
But would like to get some of the revs back if possible.
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Post by: Neptune66 on May 14, 2009, 06:37:44 AM
No time to read the whole article at the moment, but saw the part about holding the ball so the ring finger [for right-hander] is at the 8'o'clock position and am intrigued. This is exactly the info I was hoping for. Whether I will successfully apply it may be another story.
:-)
And to Uptheboards... I have considered going back to inserts, but there are two reasons I haven't:
1) I use to drive myself and others nutz by constantly changing insert sizes and types, and don't really want to return to those days.
2) Even if I someday return to using inserts, still want to figure out how to increase revs without them.
Post by: dizzyfugu on May 14, 2009, 07:13:39 AM
Another thing to check is just timing - lots of revs come from a clean release, without extra effort. Maybe you grip the ball tighter with the new setup, and you miss your leverage point. That would explain why you have "lost" some revs.
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Post by: charlest on May 14, 2009, 07:49:46 AM
You can't force effective revs. They must be the result of a clean release.
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Post by: J_w73 on May 14, 2009, 09:13:09 AM
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By simple, I mean no changes to ball drilling or surface, and no major changes to delivery. Interested, for instance, in whether I should hold the ball higher or lower, or changing wrist position, etc. And I don't use inserts.
Few weeks ago, I had my ball's drilling altered to a more comfortable fit. IS more comfortable and I am more accurate with it. But I have lost revs. And I didn't have that many to start with.
Happy with the drilling otherwise. Fits like a glove.
But would like to get some of the revs back if possible.
interested in what you changed in your grip drill.. I changed mine to a shorter, more relaxed span.. feels better but I too feel I have lost the ability to turn it like I used to..
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Post by: Nails on May 14, 2009, 11:43:32 AM
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I just went back to inserts hoping to increase a couple of revs.
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Inserts neither increase or decrease revs. Good timing and a quick release are the cure as Charlest suggested. If adding revs were quick and easy, there would be near as many fluffers around. A good coach and 2-3 lessons would be your best bet.
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Post by: Neptune66 on May 14, 2009, 12:16:12 PM
Also... the pitch of the thumb was changed slightly, but not certain of that. Other thing is, the thumbholes (on the new drilling) are just about perfect now, requiring only 1 or 0 pieces of tape in the summer, and 2 or 3 in the winter. BUT.... I might need a smidgen more beveling, and have resisted because in the past it's been extremely easy for the driller (any driller) to go from an excellent minor adjustment to too much bevel. With too much bevel, I tend to lose the ball or feel as if I'm going to, which causes me to squeeze and we all know that doesn't promote good bowling.
So... my release probably isn't as clean sometimes as it could be, and I may need to grit my teeth and see if I can get the thumhole's bevel increased just a tad. Am resisting, though, at least till the fall when my thumb will shrink somewhat.
Post by: J_w73 on May 14, 2009, 12:29:10 PM
I reduced my span by about 1/2 inch and went from 5/8 reverse to 3/8 reverse.. I tried to go more forward but I just couldn't get out of the ball cleanly..
I like the relaxed grip but I feel I can't get out of the ball as clean or as fast..I'm thinking of trying an "offset" thumb..or maybe going with more reverse .. the 3/8 is right on spec for my span but my thumb is rather long so maybe I need more room to get out of the ball
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Post by: tst4eko on May 14, 2009, 03:26:21 PM
As you put your fingers into the ball, tuck in your pinky finger (so that the nail of the finger is against the ball) before putting in your thumb. This allows the ball to come off your hand a tad faster at release, thus resulting in more revs. Everything else stays the same. This trick won't massively increase revs, but you'll notice a slight difference.
Now if you already do this and are still wanting to increase revs without making major changes, a cupped wrist is all I can think of. That might change your delivery a bit, so best of luck to ya.
Post by: Jorge300 on May 14, 2009, 03:53:23 PM
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Post by: Juggernaut on May 14, 2009, 04:05:17 PM
Oddly, this had the side effect of making it FAR easier to exit the thumbhole, and caused me to "cup" the ball during the approach and release, adding revs to my "natural" release.
For me, it wasn't something that I had to learn or work on, it just happened naturally as a side effect of the added reverse pithch in the thumb and my bodies attempt to compensate.
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Post by: J_w73 on May 14, 2009, 04:18:17 PM
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I don't know what your current thumb pitch is, but due to arthritis, I had to add 1/4 reverse to mine.
Oddly, this had the side effect of making it FAR easier to exit the thumbhole, and caused me to "cup" the ball during the approach and release, adding revs to my "natural" release.
For me, it wasn't something that I had to learn or work on, it just happened naturally as a side effect of the added reverse pithch in the thumb and my bodies attempt to compensate.
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Did the added reverse cause you to have to squeeze to keep the ball on..??
I guess the cupping of the wrist might have been a natural side effect to help keep the ball on.
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Post by: Neptune66 on May 14, 2009, 06:22:44 PM
And the cupping conversation is interesting. Someone suggested a couple days ago that I try cupping the ball, and I did... a little...but with the new drilling, it seems to cause me to be a little more erratic and even have some trouble releasing the ball. I don't remember that trouble with the old drilling. My thumb hole may not be bevelled enough.
Is there a "rule of thumb" (pun not intended, but left in on purpose) for determining proper bevel? Or is it strictly personal preference?
Edited on 5/14/2009 6:23 PM
Post by: J_w73 on May 14, 2009, 07:39:19 PM
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I have to try the tucked pinky. I think I have dabbled in it on occasion, but not recently (not with the new drilling) and not for an extended enough period to evaluate results.
And the cupping conversation is interesting. Someone suggested a couple days ago that I try cupping the ball, and I did... a little...but with the new drilling, it seems to cause me to be a little more erratic and even have some trouble releasing the ball. I don't remember that trouble with the old drilling. My thumb hole may not be bevelled enough.
Is there a "rule of thumb" (pun not intended, but left in on purpose) for determining proper bevel? Or is it strictly personal preference?
Edited on 5/14/2009 6:23 PM
I also find that when I cup my wrist that I am not able to come out as clean as I think when I cup it it tweaks my thumb a bit and puts pressue on the side of it.. like I need to change the lateral pitches a bit..
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Post by: Atochabsh on May 14, 2009, 11:35:08 PM
You don't have to speed up, special drill layout, grips, no grips, hand position change, 5 step, 4 step, 3 step doesn't matter etc.......There's no easy trick that doesn't require effort by you.
All you have to do is be balanced at the foul line. Do not step off, do not hop. Be solid and firm at the release and post the shot.
If you set yourself up for balance at the release the second to last step of your approach you will automatically increase leverage and therefore revs.
Erin
Post by: Neptune66 on May 15, 2009, 02:27:41 PM
How did you know that I hop at the foul line?
:-)
(I don't feel like I do, but have been told by many that I do.)
Post by: Atochabsh on May 15, 2009, 04:39:49 PM
Once you start watching the 210+ bowlers you start to see a trend of balance and posting the shot. However, that level of bowler is the minority compared to all the sanctioned bowlers of all levels.
Erin
Post by: Neptune66 on May 16, 2009, 03:20:54 PM
But every once in awhile someone will be at the lanes who knows me well enough and is bold (and funny) enough to tease me about it. Then I'll turn to someone else and ask them "am I really hopping?" and they say yes.
Much of the time, I tend to release the ball very close to, or even before the foul line. I suspect that when I try to finish with my feet closer to the foul line, that the hopping is my way of trying to come to a stop close to, but not over the line. I'm more of a planter, so I would guess the hopping is a sort of unorthodox slide. Changing my steps to somehow end up at the foul line without needing the hop, would probably be a good idea.
Post by: Juggernaut on May 16, 2009, 03:52:57 PM
quote:quote:
I don't know what your current thumb pitch is, but due to arthritis, I had to add 1/4 reverse to mine.
Oddly, this had the side effect of making it FAR easier to exit the thumbhole, and caused me to "cup" the ball during the approach and release, adding revs to my "natural" release.
For me, it wasn't something that I had to learn or work on, it just happened naturally as a side effect of the added reverse pithch in the thumb and my bodies attempt to compensate.
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Did the added reverse cause you to have to squeeze to keep the ball on..??
I guess the cupping of the wrist might have been a natural side effect to help keep the ball on.
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No, but I DID have to use a tighter thumbhole, which causes pretty good callusing on my thumb sides.
Before, I just kind of locked the hole edge on the base of my thumb, but now I have to use the tightness of the hole to help keep from losing the ball, and the size of the thunbhole is MUCH more critical than before.
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on May 16, 2009, 04:05:24 PM
I don't think you can hop if your body is balanced at the line.
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