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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: DragonLord on October 26, 2008, 01:06:33 PM
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I live in Fond Du Lac WI. But Here is my question Fond Du Lac just passed this bill no smoking in restaurants,Bowling alleys, and work places. The people who smoke and bowl will bowling alleys take a major drop in leauges? How far will they take this smoking ban? Will they start telling people no smoking in there homes and cars? For me I love bowling. But I'm afraid that this will cause allot of bowlers to stop bowling because they can't smoke and well there goes the leauges and maybe bowling alleys. And please don't say what are a smoker no I ain't a smoker but If people are going to smoke they will do it whether there is a ban or not. Cops are going to have hard time checking every place to see who is complain and who Ain't.
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Thats what I wanted to hear and no me not crying about it. It just shocked me how they had this big meeting and every place stated that they would lose business. So I see no deal but thats me K.
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California has been smoking free for YEARS now, as long as I can remember.
It doesn't matter. You step outside and have a cig between games. That's how it works, and how I've always remembered it working. I wish the entire nation would just put that ban up.
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Dragonlord. Here in Illinois the smoking ban hasn't dropped league bowling as much as economy has. Most leagues out here have a 10 min break between games because of law. The only drop alley has seen is liquor sales. Instead of drinking afterwards people go 2 bar near by were they have a smoking room. How it will affect you guys out there just depends on the bowlers
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Here in New Mexico, leagues have increased for the most part, but proprietors were correct saying they'd lose money. Bar breaks after bowling have become almost nonexistent for the smoking crowd. I've seen snackbar prices go up in three local centers to try to compensate for the lower bar take.
Deb
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CA and WA have had non smoking in public buildings for as long as I can remember. And CA took a hit when the smoking ban was first instated. But the die hard smokers still smoked and still bowled. They just smoked outside the doors and came back in between games. It does mean that you cannot chain smoke through league.
Erin
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Everybody worried about a drop in participation..... of the smoking bowler. Never happened. People deal with it.
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FOS
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i wish my alley would go smoke free
there is the first round of poor me for smokers, but they get over it, and actually it does increase #'s.
smokers are in the minority
non smokers h8 bowling because the smoke is so thick
my wife has real bad asthma and we used to bowl leagues together, but she just couldnt take it anymore so she quit
all because of the smoke.
i know many other people who have breathing related problems who would love to be at the center, but cant bowl the heavy smoke leagues.
and yes i do smoke, but i wish my center would go smoke free
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In Wichita all the centers went smoke free in August 2008.
I have not noticed any issues or drop of bowlers but it is still early yet.
But I like going home afterwards and not smelling like smoke.
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Dragonlord, is this something that just Fond Du Lac is putting in or the entire state of WI? If it is just within the city, you may see a drop in league from bowlers going to a city that does not have the ban. If it is statewide, I wouldn't expect it to drop too much.
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Dan Chambers
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Appleton and Oshkosh and fond Du lac are no smoking. The reason i brought up the subject is not to cause a brew ha but just ask what people thought. I don't smoke K. but I can see where people who don't smoke where it would bother them. But If u saw the meeting that fond Du lac had where owners plead about they lose there business and there lively hood. That is why I asked the question and I did not mean to step on any ones head or toes K. It just seems people who a business act like that smoking is the reason they are in business.
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Dragonlord, is this something that just Fond Du Lac is putting in or the entire state of WI? If it is just within the city, you may see a drop in league from bowlers going to a city that does not have the ban. If it is statewide, I wouldn't expect it to drop too much.
WSU,
Cheeseland does not have a statewide smoking ban <too bad IMO>. Individual communities in WI have instituted smoking bans in public places. Madison, WI where I bowl in 2 different bowling centers has had a smoking ban in effect for 3 years I believe. I see no difference in particpation other than the average amount of bowlers that have dropped which is true thoughout the land.
Make it state wide or nationally so there are no islands. I see that happening some day. Hopefully sooner than later.
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Scott
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But If u saw the meeting that fond Du lac had where owners plead about they lose there business and there lively hood.
Bar owners, etal/Wis. Tavern League will always say this but in reality very few establishments that are going concerns have been effected. Smokers still smoke outside or in areas that bowling centers/bars have constructed outside the walls of the building. <ie. tents w/heaters>.
I also know 3 bowlers that came back to bowling after leaving the sport because the centers went smoke free.
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Scott
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Iowa passed a smoking ban this year and while I bowl across the border in Sioux Falls (no I do not smoke)those that I have talked to say that it has not affected league play. The bowling alleys have not lost to bars in Iowa because there is no provision for a smoking room in the law.
The real question I have is how many people have quit bowling in the past because of respiratory ailments like bowlerdawg's wife that would be willing to come back?
Mark
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Ill tell you this I feel bad for all the people with breathing problems but when has it become the state or cities priority 2 play god. 2 tell everyone what they can and can't do. When smoking is legal. I don't mind no smoking at restaurants or something like that. But bowling drinking and bars go hand and hand with smoking. Few alleys out here had special times set aside for non smokers and kids. Main problem with law is what will be next?? What other freedom are you ready 2 give up because some suit thinks its wrong.
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Scott, thanks for the heads-up. Its good to see some communities taking iniative before the State does. The problem comes in the smaller towns that implement it and a neighboring town does not. You will see an influx of people going to the area that allows smoking. That effect was seen here in MN when a few counties in the Twin Cities held a ban and others didn't.
Do you know if La Crosse has put a ban on yet? I'll be down there bowling this weekend.
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Dan Chambers
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WSUstroker is correct. We lost a men's league that had been established for over 30 years because there are houses that allow smoking within just a few miles. I'm caught in the middle. I hate smoking and I love bowling. I wish the ban was state wide. Most smokers won't quit bowling because they can't smoke but they will drive a few more miles in order to smoke.
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Im all for the freedom thing, believe me I really am, but the smoking ban is acceptable because your smoking has negative effects on the people around you. If it only affected you, like alcohol, then it wouldn't be an issue.
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Every public place should be smoke free. What you do in your own car or home is up to you. But why should someone else have to put up with it. Everyone has to breath, but you choose to smoke. I don't understand the crying. Go outside.
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Hey guys but thats what im talking about. Im a smoking and ban sucks but bigger problem in my eyes is what is next. It went from smoking were ever to smoking non smoking section to now no smoking. Whats next cant go out and have a drink because someone thinks its bad? Whats next can drive your favorite car because someone thinks its bad? Whats next cant have a camp fire because someone thinks it bad? Yes those are all things people love to do and are legal right now but who knows. Are you willing to give up 1 of ur favorite activites NON SMOKERS because someone thinks it wrong. I would have no problem with smoking ban in resturant or even by the lanes. But to ban smoking threw out whole state is BS. what happen to ur freedom of choice?
Like i said before my main problem is someone playing GOD with my life. NO suit should be able to chose what we can do if its legal
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I live in Texas and we rarely pass any state laws so it is left to the cities and districts to pass laws such as these. So far, cities one by one in Dallas/Fort Worth are going no smoking. People will just have to get used to it. To be honest, since I used to be a smoker I understand. But if you can't wait a few hours or if needed go outside after a 10th frame to smoke then you have a bigger problem then you realize.
Once you quit if your like me, you can't stand being around cigarettes. I wish it was banned everywhere. But I have to probably wait 10 years for my local suburb bowling alley to pass a no smoking law.
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In WA there was a huge outcry as the was talked about and again when it passed. Combined in my 3 leagues we lost ONE bowler due to the smoking ban. I expected about 6 or 7 guys to share the attitude that "if I can't smoke, I can't bowl". All but one adjusted to the new regulations.
I wouldn't worry too much about it, because if they want to bowl they will have to deal with the ban.
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The state of Ohio went Non-Smokintg several years ago. The same arguments were heard from all at that time... but the bowlers and alleys adapted to the new conditions, is that not part of the game?
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Ill say it again guys im a smoke and ban sucks but im looking at the big picture. What are you willing to give up next ????
Ok you allowed the suits to make some crazy law. NON smokers love it but smokers hate it. Now what if they come up with some crazy law that you cant eat meat outside ur house anymore. How many people would allow it. Only the vegetarians. Stupid law isn't it but thats the chance your taking by letting them tell you how to live
Welcome to the future NON smokers of stupid laws
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I would say that's nonsense but there is some mild truth to that. I don't know about food but about the cigarettes there are health zealots that I have heard want smoking banned to the point you can go to prison if you smoke in your own home and a child is present.
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Ill say it again guys im a smoke and ban sucks but im looking at the big picture. What are you willing to give up next ????
Ok you allowed the suits to make some crazy law. NON smokers love it but smokers hate it. Now what if they come up with some crazy law that you cant eat meat outside ur house anymore. How many people would allow it. Only the vegetarians. Stupid law isn't it but thats the chance your taking by letting them tell you how to live
Welcome to the future NON smokers of stupid laws
What part of second hand smoke don't you understand? http://www.mysmokefreestory.com/secondhand.php
It's about the FREEDOM of ALL to enjoy smoke free air!
I don't force you to drink at a bar or a bowling center...don't force me to breathe your smoke!
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Scott
Edited on 10/27/2008 11:24 PM
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Scott. Here think about anything in ur life that you like doing. Now someone who you don't no has a problem with it. Person passes a law saying you can't do it anymore. That's the point I'm making. Your suppose 2 have freedom 2 do as you please when things are legal. Now with this law ur not free anymore.
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Sorry, I don't buy it ucumin2. There are many freedoms that we enjoy and many are regulated.
You can't drive a car without a license. You can't vote <well maybe you can in Ohio> if a felon. Etc, etc.
With responsibility comes limits of what one can do it's part of life. It's part of being a responsible human being living together on this planet.
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Scott
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I, as a non smoker, enjoyed the smokey alleys before the ban took place here. Just seems like a part of bowling's character is now gone.
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When it started here in the twin cities a few years ago, one county was smoke free, another was not (the center we bowled league in was smoke free, the center I worked in the pro shop you could still smoke). The league bowlers in the smoke free house stayed and those who smoked (myself at the time) went outside after a game for a quick one and after league. Once the state went smoke free all centers did not lose many "smoking bowlers", yet some centers put in a smoking area where bowlers and bar patrons could go outside for one while still bringing their drink (outside patio area at the center I am at). Some businesses saw an increase in league and open bowling due to no smoking inside and the bar retained most if not all its regular customers. Now a few years have passed and it has become a non issue. Kinda sucks in the dead of winter when someone goes outside to smoke and its -10 outside but thats one of the reasons why I quit (main reason was my daughter but no smoking inside a center/bar was another reason).
Hey Dragonlord, can you still smoke in the Hudson bowler or has that gone smoke free as well? Going over there for the marathon in Feburary, interested to see what their status was.
Laner
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Scott. Ok here think about it this way. I would think there are bigger problems out in the world 2 worry about then a smoker enjoying a cigarette what about the drugs gangs or murders. All illegal but they rather play GOD making up in my eyes stupid laws. They just be taking care of bigger problems. Like I said b4 my concern is what will people have 2 give up next?? Its funny how state wanted law but now trying 2 figure out how 2 bring it back 2 favor there pockets. Illinois losing lots of money in the casino boats. Now instead of the elders staying around allday gambling and enjoying themselves then stay 4 lot less time and leave. Just 2 funny 4 me
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Eh, you get used to it.
It's been a while now since Florida passed it. When I went to South Carolina to visit a friend, we hit a local bowling alley.
I saw a guy walking down the main area smoking and thought to myself, he's going to get kicked out. He started talking to the guy behind the desk who also lit a cigarette.
It was at that point that I realized there were giant ashtrays behind every lane. I didn't notice them after an hour because I'm used to not seeing them.
Needless to say I chain smoked while I bowled =P
We hit a Chili's later and the waiter asked if we wanted to keep the ashtray. I said yes, but couldn't light up with people (and kids) 10 feet away eating. It just gets ingrained in you as a social mannerism after a while.
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I am a smoker, and I actually like the smoking ban here in Iowa. Its pretty nice to leave a bart and not stink like 80 peoples cigs. Our leagues havent seen any membership drop that i am aware of, there are just a few joes out smoking in between games and after the set. All in all I think it was a good move, because now there are alot more families at the center during the weekend days than I remember there being.
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Lefty
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I think it's funny how people who smoke take the viewpoint of "What freedom are you willing to loose next"? What about the freedom of people who want to go out and not breath the second hand smoke from someone with no self control? I see it's ok for them to loose their freedom, but when it comes to smoking that's where the line is drawn. Stop crying, go outside or quit. No smoker ever see's it as offensive to someone who doesn't smoke. Smokers your liberties are still in tact, they are just going to be drawing even with the non-smokers.
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ucumin, your analogies are terrible at best. Second hand smoke kills people. It's not just because people think it's bad, they know it's bad. It's not like they all went "This smoke is annoying, oh lets ban smoking" and everyone in charge went with it. Comparing it to eating meat is laughable.
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BLARGH
Edited on 10/28/2008 10:59 AM
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I agree with no smoking in restaurants because ur eating. Thing is there are lanes in Illinois that have set aside bowling leagues and times 4 kids , non smokers and the elderly. They did very well and people were happy. Most mens leagues are only night out 2 be with the guys. That should have the right 2 bowl have a drink and even smoke. Instead of making a ban should have enforced more maintenance. Such as the smoke eaters. There are many bars and alleys up here that even on the busiest time you wouldn't see smoke in the air. Like I've said what will be the next thing your willing 2 give up? So many more problems in the world 2 worry then someone having a cigarette. Freedom won't be free anymore. Your choices won't be yours anymore.
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AMEN
Big brother/sister is out there seeing what other freedoms he/she can take away because someone says something is bad for you.
What about the police cars you see just sitting in a parking lot with their engines running, polluting the air we breath. Or the big oil companies that lose a tanker or even worse, polluting the air/ground/water we need.
I am not a smoker, but I do believe that there rights are being violated to some degree
If your going out to a bar/restaurant/bowling alley and you know that there is smoking going on there, if it bothers you to be around smoke, don't go in there. Your presence isn't going to make or break that particular business
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Hey guys but thats what im talking about. Im a smoking and ban sucks but bigger problem in my eyes is what is next. It went from smoking were ever to smoking non smoking section to now no smoking. Whats next cant go out and have a drink because someone thinks its bad? Whats next can drive your favorite car because someone thinks its bad? Whats next cant have a camp fire because someone thinks it bad? Yes those are all things people love to do and are legal right now but who knows. Are you willing to give up 1 of ur favorite activites NON SMOKERS because someone thinks it wrong. I would have no problem with smoking ban in resturant or even by the lanes. But to ban smoking threw out whole state is BS. what happen to ur freedom of choice?
Like i said before my main problem is someone playing GOD with my life. NO suit should be able to chose what we can do if its legal
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Dale Williams
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we went non smoking this summer, and total between 6 leagues, we lost maybe 30 bowlers, and most of them didnt even quit because of smoking, it was more economy or just had enough of bowling in general.
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Every public place should be smoke free. What you do in your own car or home is up to you. But why should someone else have to put up with it. Everyone has to breath, but you choose to smoke. I don't understand the crying. Go outside
Scond that...
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I smoke and ban sucks but there is much more there then some stupid law. Are you as Americans that are suppose 2 be free ready 4 the government 2 get involved in ur decision making. How is making a state smoke free making the it even 4 smokers and non smokers ? Biggest problem is what are you willing 2 give up next ? There are bigger problems in the world that will kill you but nothing done. A car idling causing pollution is ok because state has pocket full of money with oil companies. Looking into state of Illinois there trying 2 get few stipulation into the smoking law because they are losing money. Instead of the elderly enjoying a meal talking 4 few hours have a smoke and coffee then leaving now they eat and leave. Casinos are 1 of the biggest out here. Here you will like this 1. Your 18 go fight 4 this country 4 someone elses reasons you can have a gun and drink. But when you get 2 the states you can't have ur gun you can't drink because ur not 21. Now you can kill 4 us but you can't smoke. Vfw halls are private clubs but still included into this law. Just 2 many rights as a so called free country at risk. Let government get involved and many choices 4 you welcome to the 2009 decade of dictatorship. Point being what are you willing 2 give up next ??
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In my eyes the smoking ban sucks because I smoke but there is much more there. I can deal with going outside no big deal but problem is what is next. That's my concern. Everyday there are many people saying things are good or bad or healthy and unhealthy. Then the next day changing there mind. So should there ideas all be made into laws against. the unemployment rate gangs drugs and economy is what the government should be thinking about. Not whether you can smoke in public. There just us so much more into this law then smokers and non smokers. That's why I keep saying what's next ??
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In my eyes the smoking ban sucks because I smoke but there is much more there. I can deal with going outside no big deal but problem is what is next. That's my concern. Everyday there are many people saying things are good or bad or healthy and unhealthy. Then the next day changing there mind. So should there ideas all be made into laws against. the unemployment rate gangs drugs and economy is what the government should be thinking about. Not whether you can smoke in public. There just us so much more into this law then smokers and non smokers. That's why I keep saying what's next ??
People might take you more seriously if your posts didn't give peole a headache trying to read them. As for a smoking ban, it's done for the reason to give the general public a better chance at a healthy lifestyle. For the same reason some cities are banning trans-fats. I fail to see the argument for allowing the minority(smokers) to affect the health of the majority. Now let me take two Tylenol before I try to comprhend your reply to this post.
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Me stupid. Me believe anything. Please tell me what to do.
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Bottom line is this what's next ? America home of the free and home of the brave. Yeah right not anymore people. If you start giving up ur rights 2 chose then ur done. Don't care so much about the smoking law its just not being able 2 chose.