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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Luke Rosdahl on July 24, 2017, 09:34:17 AM
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So I know we can all talk about what's wrong, but the inevitable reaction is, "well oh yeah, then how would you fix it?" So how would you fix it? It's become pretty clear to me the direction that USBC is going, the "future for the sport" mantra itself indicates that they have zero interest in the recreational bowler. Their whole angle is competitive bowling at whatever level, and I don't think that's going to change anytime soon. My thought is that if you take care of the people paying the bills, then you have plenty of money left to fund special interests. Instead, they've chosen to pursue their interests, and want everyone else not supporting that to screw off and go away. I think we need an entire new organization that will look after the interests of the average league bowler, and not take their money and hand it to the upper 5%. I know that's a stupidly simple solution, but USBC just keeps getting worse, and show no signs of trending in a positive direction. The dues increases are just going to further fund their interests, not the interests of who they're supposed to be serving. They're not going to fix something they don't think is broken.
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If bowlers actually cared about this, they would vote to change the situation. All the power needed is in the local and state associations and the representatives who go to the national convention. The average league bowler doesn't really give a shit.
There are a handful of people here who actually care, but the people in your local Tuesday Night Mixed Fours don't give any of this a second thought.
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Applications for the 2018-19 Board of Directors are being accepted until October 1. If you think the organization is run so terribly here is your opportunity to make a difference.
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That isn't the story here . . USBC membership is a hot topic with everyone every year. No one has any idea what they're paying for, and now dues are being raised. People aren't happy.
If bowlers actually cared about this, they would vote to change the situation. All the power needed is in the local and state associations and the representatives who go to the national convention. The average league bowler doesn't really give a shit.
There are a handful of people here who actually care, but the people in your local Tuesday Night Mixed Fours don't give any of this a second thought.
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Politics is the last place I need to be. I've already been told in no uncertain terms that "negativity" isn't wanted and if I don't like the way things are, I can just not participate. The only people that get appointed are the yes men that support the agenda.
Applications for the 2018-19 Board of Directors are being accepted until October 1. If you think the organization is run so terribly here is your opportunity to make a difference.
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That isn't the story here . . USBC membership is a hot topic with everyone every year. No one has any idea what they're paying for, and now dues are being raised. People aren't happy.
If bowlers actually cared about this, they would vote to change the situation. All the power needed is in the local and state associations and the representatives who go to the national convention. The average league bowler doesn't really give a shit.
There are a handful of people here who actually care, but the people in your local Tuesday Night Mixed Fours don't give any of this a second thought.
Yes, it IS the topic. If they weren't happy, then they would take part in the process and do something about it. But they don't. The rank and file member of USBC doesn't really care. They may grumble when they have to pay their yearly membership, then it's forgotten. This fact is proven every year at the local level when new offices and board members are voted in.
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Luke has it 100%.Why do I want my money funding the PWBA, PBA, and Team USA.Never did before until this USBC takeover.Heck the association in my town cant enforce simple rules.
PBA, PWBA should be able to get sponsors to fund it.It shouldn't be a promotion for the sport of bowling.It should be a promotion for the fun of bowling.There is no promotion of bowling period in my area.Its really sad.
20 years ago our centers had people paid hourly who's job was to be over league's.They always promoted new league's and Tournaments.They made sure leagues were as full as possible.Now they have employs who hate to see anybody walk in the doors.Means they might have to work a little.
Now I see the Proprietors are sponsoring the PBA this next season.They seem to be worried.Why are they not doing a national advertising campain.Its really sad 45 years bowling and makes no sense why its going down the toilet.
Another rant is why do I need to see Chad Murphy sitting behind the camera every PWBA finals?Is he that proud on this sinking ship?
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True story. Our membership base keeps shrinking every year though. Not only are they not doing anything about it, they're rather choosing to just say piss on it, it's not worth my time and quitting. Of course that's what they want though, if you're not on fire for bowling and put hours and hours of your personal time on the line, being a participant/customer isn't good enough.
That isn't the story here . . USBC membership is a hot topic with everyone every year. No one has any idea what they're paying for, and now dues are being raised. People aren't happy.
If bowlers actually cared about this, they would vote to change the situation. All the power needed is in the local and state associations and the representatives who go to the national convention. The average league bowler doesn't really give a shit.
There are a handful of people here who actually care, but the people in your local Tuesday Night Mixed Fours don't give any of this a second thought.
Yes, it IS the topic. If they weren't happy, then they would take part in the process and do something about it. But they don't. The rank and file member of USBC doesn't really care. They may grumble when they have to pay their yearly membership, then it's forgotten. This fact is proven every year at the local level when new offices and board members are voted in.
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Luke has it 100%.Why do I want my money funding the PWBA, PBA, and Team USA.Never did before until this USBC takeover.Heck the association in my town cant enforce simple rules.
PBA, PWBA should be able to get sponsors to fund it.It shouldn't be a promotion for the sport of bowling.It should be a promotion for the fun of bowling.There is no promotion of bowling period in my area.Its really sad.
20 years ago our centers had people paid hourly who's job was to be over league's.They always promoted new league's and Tournaments.They made sure leagues were as full as possible.Now they have employs who hate to see anybody walk in the doors.Means they might have to work a little.
Now I see the Proprietors are sponsoring the PBA this next season.They seem to be worried.Why are they not doing a national advertising campain.Its really sad 45 years bowling and makes no sense why its going down the toilet.
Another rant is why do I need to see Chad Murphy sitting behind the camera every PWBA finals?Is he that proud on this sinking ship?
Do you attend your annual association meeting?
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I have and its a waste of time trust me.It's the good ole boy system.You don't like what they do and bring it up.Your labeled as a trouble maker because they can't enforce simple rules because of being a bunch of P...ys.They are afraid to piss someone off.Just facts here in my town.
Main Event Entertainment is opening a center tomorrow here.They are only geared for recreation bowling.They only have what they call fun leagues 8 week leagues 8$ a week.My 3 other centers here are worried.Its going to be for the recreational bowler they at least seem to have a clue.Will be very interesting to see how it all turns out. Brand new 8 million dollar place compared to the other centers which are 40 years or older and dumps.
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The ABC had nothing to do with the growth in membership during the 60s, and the USBC ( ABC) had nothing to do with the decline in membership over the past 20 years. I have had my share of beefs with how they managed a lot of things, but none of these issues would have changed the decline in membership at all.
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Last 15 years I have seen no promoting bowling at all in my area.If you don't put forth some effort of course it will decline.We don't even have High School bowling anymore we did 25 years ago.I want bowling to survive But if everybody keeps thinking the way it is now its not going to.
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This is how 99% of all bowling centers advertise their bowling leagues: With a little luck you will come into my center and read my league flyer and get excited to join one of my leagues.
That method is not going to increase your leagues or bring in new bowlers. In my opinion, the proprietors themselves have killed league bowling more than the ABC/USBC. Their lack of effort to promote league bowling OUTSIDE of the bowling center is killing it and they don't realize it or don't care.
When was the last time you saw a TV spot, heard a radio spot, saw a major newspaper ad, or even saw a local newspaper ad promoting the upcoming bowling league season?
I ain't seen one in over 30 years.
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Eh, I'd argue they've had a fair amount to do with the decline in membership, just in several rather indirect ways. The time and expense involved to "compete," something they've pushed and pushed, is too much for most people now. That's what I've heard constantly in the shop, it's "I don't have the time or money to keep up anymore, I'm just a once a week guy and to even do any good you've gotta practice all the time and carry in 10 balls to league." Naturally they're exaggerating about the 10 balls, but that's the general perception. Competition is pushed so hard, you can't just have fun, you have to be good and have to compete, and all these tool bags they created marching around with their company jerseys dragging in bags upon bags of balls asking what the pattern is and for a topography report and asking why the oil isn't blue are for some reason who everyone looks up to. You can't just pick up your LT-48 in your little A frame bag and head to league to have a drink and a smoke and hang out anymore. It takes most guys a half hour just to get their hair gelled and spiked just right before league now.
I'll agree with it being pretty horrifically promoted too though.
The ABC had nothing to do with the growth in membership during the 60s, and the USBC ( ABC) had nothing to do with the decline in membership over the past 20 years. I have had my share of beefs with how they managed a lot of things, but none of these issues would have changed the decline in membership at all.
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I think the perception that you have to have thousands of dollars worth of equipment is just an excuse used by people that are simply tired if the competitive game. A lot of people quit golf every year because it is simply too tough to be fun, but seldom hear one say it is because they need a $500 driver to be competitive.
Bowling is a much more challenging game than people have ever realized.
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The vast majority of USBC members have zero clue why they pay sanction fees, similar to secretary fees, other than they're told to and they've always done it
Where those funds go is outa sight outa mind
Golfers do NOT quit due to difficulty of the game...USGA researched it and found the Tiger effect is wearing off-the masses that joined in the late 90's early 2000's have now grown to having adult responsibilities-jobs families etc and do NOT have time for 6hr rounds on the weekends
Golf grew its most due to Tiger no other reason and bowling does NOT have a Tiger to push the game to higher levels of awareness
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The "you can't have fun" is a load of crap, as is the time and money excuse. League bowling is recreation. If you are doing it for anything than fun and enjoyment you should reevaluate why you are there.
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The vast majority of USBC members have zero clue why they pay sanction fees, similar to secretary fees, other than they're told to and they've always done it
Where those funds go is outa sight outa mind
Golfers do NOT quit due to difficulty of the game...USGA researched it and found the Tiger effect is wearing off-the masses that joined in the late 90's early 2000's have now grown to having adult responsibilities-jobs families etc and do NOT have time for 6hr rounds on the weekends
Golf grew its most due to Tiger no other reason and bowling does NOT have a Tiger to push the game to higher levels of awareness
I agree that paying one's yearly USBC sanction fee has become as routine as renewing one's locker at the bowling alley, it's just something you do and not give a second thought about...bowlers will complain when sanction fees go up, then just accept it and carry on.
Speaking of Tiger growing the sport of Golf, it makes me wonder if bowling membership grew when Earl Anthony was a common fixture on ABC telecasts Sat afternoons in the 70's-early 80's or Walter Ray in the 90's? Seriously doubt the USBC would ever do research on it but it would be interesting to see.
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I agree with itsallabout me, league bowling is all about brackets any more. the pure enjoyment of good competition is what is lacking.i am 80 yrs old & still enjoy just the competive nature of bowling.
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I'm saying that's the idea that's pushed, and USBC isn't interested in fun and enjoyment, they're all about brutal difficulty and "integrity" and looking down on anyone who just wants to no thumb a ball to see it hook. That or I must just be in the most toxic area of the country when it comes to this stuff . . if you just want to have fun or oppose the agenda, you're not popular, let's put it that way. You can't have fun where I'm from anyway. Watching Mike Wurme videos is great because people here are stunned that everyone on the videos is so easy going about shooting honor scores. Here if it doesn't resemble a PBA tv set when somebody gets up on the front 9, you're gonna get jumped in the parking lot.
The "you can't have fun" is a load of crap, as is the time and money excuse. League bowling is recreation. If you are doing it for anything than fun and enjoyment you should reevaluate why you are there.
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Every stat I have seen says that the attrition rate in golf us very high. Tiger effect has huge pact on TV viewership, but not so much in participation. Bottom line, people quit both sports because they stop having fun commensurate with the time and money they are putting in.
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It is surprising how many people are stuck in the ABC / USBC mode. If it were any other business model? It would have been bankrupt or non-existent a long time ago. Not trying to be malicious, they simply do not have a clue.
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The USBC is a governing body, not a bunch of cruise directors that need to make it fun.
People that try to get their competitive bowling fix while bowling league are never going to enjoy it.
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The primary purpose of the USBC is to make playing rules for a sport. If people don't want to play the game as a sport that is their right. The vast majority of golfers do not play within USGA rules. Every golf course gets its primary revenue from these RECREATIONAL players. However they also all have men's clubs that do play under the rules and provide an opportunity to play the game as a sport.
The problem with bowling is that the very business model from the begining of the boom was to channel recreational bowlers in to a competitive sport environment. Over the years more and more recreational bowlers decided that they didn't want to participate in the structured environment offered under USBC rules. That means they also began to see less benefit they were receiving from USBC dues.
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Very valid statement.
The USBC is a governing body, not a bunch of cruise directors that need to make it fun.
People that try to get their competitive bowling fix while bowling league are never going to enjoy it.
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A. I can show you facts, from the actual research the USGA did on the growth (and now decline) of golf centering around Tiger but you go ahead & live in your little bubble
B. The bottom line is USBC does not know who their true customer is nor with the current regime care...Chad is more concerned of his image with his little circle and is too self absorbed abt his legacy and if that even means taking down the organization so be it
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Could care less about USBC organizational issues but I still have hope that bowling may make a come back in the future. Have to keep in mind right now have something that has never happened in human history before and that is the older generation (Baby Boomers) is bigger than the middle generation (Generation X or whatever). I still believe as millennials age (biggest generation yet) they may end up taking up bowling as low impact exercise. Could be wrong though as stupid e-sports seem to call to them more.
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How do you plan on growing a sport/game/entertainment to new people that haven't bowled in a league before when the commitment to do so in most cases is 36 weeks?
Why would anyone in their right mind want to commit to 36 weeks at 3+ hours a night to such a thing? Not factoring in food or beverages that they will likely buy because of the time they are there.
This is a huge factor that is not a USBC issue this is a proprietor issue/business model issue. Times have changed and many places are keeping up with the changes and many are failing.
Many have gone to shorter leagues, split leagues, more 4 person, 3 person, 2 person leagues that have had lots of success. Granted if you have a wall to wall league for 32 to 36 weeks you do not want to change that....any other league that isn't full or growing maybe time to re-evaluate your options to maximize your potential to grow.
USBC at the National level is focusing on things that do not apply to many league bowlers. The local associations and the proprietors have a lot of say in growing their sport and are missing the opportunities. That becomes a business model issue.
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How do you plan on growing a sport/game/entertainment to new people that haven't bowled in a league before when the commitment to do so in most cases is 36 weeks?
Why would anyone in their right mind want to commit to 36 weeks at 3+ hours a night to such a thing? Not factoring in food or beverages that they will likely buy because of the time they are there.
This is a huge factor that is not a USBC issue this is a proprietor issue/business model issue. Times have changed and many places are keeping up with the changes and many are failing.
Many have gone to shorter leagues, split leagues, more 4 person, 3 person, 2 person leagues that have had lots of success. Granted if you have a wall to wall league for 32 to 36 weeks you do not want to change that....any other league that isn't full or growing maybe time to re-evaluate your options to maximize your potential to grow.
USBC at the National level is focusing on things that do not apply to many league bowlers. The local associations and the proprietors have a lot of say in growing their sport and are missing the opportunities. That becomes a business model issue.
I agree. I don't think I'll ever give up league bowling, but the 34-36 week Fall schedule always give me pause. I'm 47 and the bowlers in my age bracket or younger always discuss and agree a shorter/modified season would be great. Then when it comes down to a vote the majority always wins and nothing changes. And guess who the majority is, age 60 and up, the retirees and empty nesters.
At the beginning of our fall season last year in a rapidly declining 4 person mixed league my team could not find one designated female to bowl with us. This league is in trouble and loses about 3-5 teams per season. Its down to 12 teams now. My team loves the league and wants to continue and try to grow it. We asked for a vote to change it to remove the mixed team requirement. The majority older crowd voted a resounding NO!!! Luckily we found a female a week later, just in time not to get dropped from the league. Coincidently we are the high average team by a comfortable margin but always finish in the middle/upper end of the pack. But never 1st/2nd. My opinion is the older crowd just wanted to stick it to us high average bowlers and are too resistant to change. Unfortunately I see this particular league dying a slow death.
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If, USBC's goal is to tear down organized bowling as a whole, they are doing a great job. As I've heard from several of my colleagues, high school bowling is supposed to be the future. This ideology is coming from the top down.
But, wait a second, I coached high school bowling for several years. We were very successful too. To my knowledge, less than a handful have taken to adult leagues. Reason, there is nothing to be gained by dedicating that much time to an organized league. First, they know, in order to be any good, they have to practice. Second, they would have to constantly purchase new equipment. (That's what they learn at the high school level).
Collegiate level? Hmmmm, coached that too. Some of them still bowl, most do not. Reason they don't bowl, same as above. To bowl well in today's ever changing and artificially challenging environment, which by the way they used to bowling on and actually demand, would take at least a few hours a week of practice to be somewhat competitive. Enter lower skilled bowler, with little to no education, beating them because they spend all of their time and money on bowling.
Simply, there is no parity in bowling.
So, what does USBC do? They succumb to the desires of bowling's least populated segment, the top 1%. Want to hear some bitchin? Listen to them.
In the meantime, organized bowling (not PBA, not Team USA) is dwindling.
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>Collegiate level? Hmmmm, coached that too. Some of them still bowl, most do not. Reason they don't bowl, same as above.
I know I am in the minority I guess but who needs a reason to go bowling? Only thing that has ever stopped me was my back and having problems for awhile finding a place that would leave the damn lights on. Competition is fine but you can truly love the sport without it. Open bowling eats up a significant number of my lunch hours.
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High school and college bowling are like The First Tee for golf. It looks good to have those big participation numbers, but they are groups that are participating and not having to pay to do so. It's a whole other Oprah when you have to pay to play.
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Vote GTGT for USBC President, I'll solve all this shit. ;D :P
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The primary purpose of the USBC is to make playing rules for a sport. If people don't want to play the game as a sport that is their right. The vast majority of golfers do not play within USGA rules. Every golf course gets its primary revenue from these RECREATIONAL players. However they also all have men's clubs that do play under the rules and provide an opportunity to play the game as a sport.
The problem with bowling is that the very business model from the begining of the boom was to channel recreational bowlers in to a competitive sport environment. Over the years more and more recreational bowlers decided that they didn't want to participate in the structured environment offered under USBC rules. That means they also began to see less benefit they were receiving from USBC dues.
^^ this without any doubt...
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I have and its a waste of time trust me.It's the good ole boy system.You don't like what they do and bring it up.Your labeled as a trouble maker because they can't enforce simple rules because of being a bunch of P...ys.They are afraid to piss someone off.Just facts here in my town.
Well I suggest you and perhaps your friends or acquaintances that have issues with your local board run for said board, and implement the change(s) you're looking for. It's truly the only way to get what you want.
My opinion is the local boards do a good job. They've had a lot of responsibilities passed down to them by National USBC, like awards programs. 95% of your local board are unaid volunteers, and they do what they can.
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B. The bottom line is USBC does not know who their true customer is nor with the current regime care...Chad is more concerned of his image with his little circle and is too self absorbed abt his legacy and if that even means taking down the organization so be it
This man speaks the truth...Chad is a genius, just ask him
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A. I can show you facts, from the actual research the USGA did on the growth (and now decline) of golf centering around Tiger but you go ahead & live in your little bubble
B. The bottom line is USBC does not know who their true customer is nor with the current regime care...Chad is more concerned of his image with his little circle and is too self absorbed abt his legacy and if that even means taking down the organization so be it
Rico you make a valid point about golf and Tiger. I use to watch golf a little bit and when Tiger hit the scene I watched it constantly. Since the Tiger era is over I've hardly watched any of it. As for Chad he's got to be the biggest d**khead that has run the USBC.
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Did you play less when Tiger became a non factor. Golf participation had dropped a lit over the past 10 years but it is arguable whether the economy or Tigers decline contributed the most. As for TV viewer ship no question the Tiger impact is huge.
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I agree most with the point about the USBC in that it really does not serve it members other than the 1% of very high level bowlers. I would say 90% of it's members are recreational bowlers just looking to have some time out having a good time and I would argue that is who they should work hardest for if they want to keep them as members. Someone argued it is just a rule governing body like the USGA but I would argue that point in that only 10% of golfers actually pay for USGA membership. And it does not rely on recreation golfers that make up far majority of people who pay to play and have a good time to survive as an entity.
Solutions, now that is where I would contend the USBC as it is now will not survive as leagues slowly for the most part recognize there is little to no value in anything other than competitive leagues. What does it really provide for its members? I golf and have gotten a hole in one, broke 80 a few times, and none "sanctioned" by USGA. Have I lost anything by not being a member? Not really. I have bowled a few 300s with only 1 sanctioned and yes I did get the ring but please dont ask me where it is so if it wasnt sanctioned would it have mattered? In the end its just something to remember but not any more/less important if "sanctioned".
If the USBC really wants to survive as it currently exists I agree with Luke that it should work for the 90% and do things to make that sanction fee worth while. And then it could also work for the 10% of competitive bowlers separately. I would argue that USBC should have league programs for all the different levels of bowlers nationwide that it promotes and oversees. They can work with existing leagues/local associations where leagues are strong and on their own where leagues are not. How about nationwide tournaments that you are entered into while bowling your league for no extra cost getting a sponsor to take all the entries into a contest to win a car or something of value. Marketing is not my thing but the USBC should and could really work with the BPAA and in turn provide some benefits of membership for its customers.
just my ramble on
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If any of you used the discounts the USBC has obtained for you by being a member, it would more then pay for your annual membership. Have any of you have even looked at that page on the USBC website?
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Bowling in a fall league is a commitment. I believe sanctioned league bowling should be a competitive environment(generally speaking). It seems that nowadays many people looking for just a fun night out at bowling center are going to these "new" bowling/eating establishments where bowling is the sideshow to the food, or they are just doing one of these package deals at a traditional bowling center where they get shoes/bowling, pizza and soda for a certain price and not pinning themselves down to have to be at the bowling center at a certain time on a certain day of the week for a predetermined length of time. I like competition. I like the attempt to win---win a game---win a series--win a league. I do recall seeing a bit of criticism over the years about how bowling is no longer being treated as a "sport" but as recreation, and now it seems the governing body wants to treat it as a sport, if I understood this conversation correctly, and that too is getting criticized. Is there even a middle ground?
Brad
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The membership fee isn't anything I've ever had an issue with, in fact I think it's much too cheap for what people are wanting out of it. When they stopped doing the awards, our organization created a survey to find out what kinds of awards people wanted for certain scores. There were people asking for like $20 coupons to the bowling alley, $50 gift certificates to the pro shop, bowling balls, and several asked for cars. Our local association gets $7 per member per year, and we lose money every year. Zero idea what people expect for $10 a year.
I'm not seeing it with the discounts. Sure if you actually used them, but there's nothing in there that people really use.
If any of you used the discounts the USBC has obtained for you by being a member, it would more then pay for your annual membership. Have any of you have even looked at that page on the USBC website?
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Remember a few years back on the message boards when guys were constantly posting his bowling was dying because high scoring was ruining the game and taking away from it being a sport. Now we see people blaming the low scoring environment in nationals for the decline. Too easy? Too hard? There will always be an excuse when people get tired of doing something. I prefer to note there are still a significantly large number of bowlers who like the game as a sport. Certainly more than approach golf as a sport.
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There is no chance bowling has more that approach it as a sport than golf.
2 million golfers keep a handicap. 18000 PGA of America members.
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Surprised that there are that many with established handicaps. Not sure PGA membership is a relevant comparison. If the only way to make money bowling was to be a PBA pro that membership would be significantly higher.
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Good points, Avabob.
Walk into any bowling center and observe the reaction of the open play bowlers. The overwhelming majority of them give every appearance that they are having a good time. Contrast that with the reactions of many players bowling in a classic league on bowling night. Many of them look like they are in pain. That's because
scoring well is not the PRIMARY goal of the average open play bowler, but it certainly is with the classic league player. The point being that bowling is easy to learn but it is hard to master (as that old saying goes). All of us who have played this game at a higher level realize this deep inside. So when WE don't score well (or when our opponent outscores us), there is the human tendency to look outside ourselves for fault. That doesn't make bowlers "bad" people, it is simply the product of human nature. Most bowlers I know who are leading their (THS) leagues with 235+ averages
show no desire to quit the game unless and until, another teammate ends up the league leader at 238 average. Then the complaints start, about the conditions being too easy.
I treat bowling as a sport. I cannot say that I felt this way the first few times I picked up a house ball as a young lad, but after I caught the (bowling) bug and took it up seriously, that is when it became a sport, and when I joined my first classic league
and donned my King Louie shirt, bowling became a Sport with a capital 'S'. And so it remains, at least for me, some 55 years later.
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I guess us old guys think alike. However contrary to what some of the younger guys think I have nothing but respect for the skills if the modern young power players. We are all products of our environment. When you and I learned the game the premium was on learning to play the lane where the shot was. Power was important but it was not possible to over power the pattern so we learned to adjust. The modern player has had to learn that sheer power is not enough. The good ones have learned to channel the power and play straighter without sacrificing the power. Again they are products of the environment and they have learned how to adapt, just in a different way than we did.
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The dark cosmic bowling prevents cosmic bowlers from joining a USBC because they can not see the dots to bowl better
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As my Grandma would probably say, awwwwww bless you my poor child. You must have been touched by an Angel.
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The dark cosmic bowling prevents cosmic bowlers from joining a USBC because they can not see the dots to bowl better
Yea, I remember reading somewhere there is a law against that...
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If this isn't a true statement, then I don't know what is. That's where I got the quote I use every now and then: CBS Sports - In more homes than the internet.
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As usual pn this site, lots of belly aching and damn few constructive suggestions on how to fix bowling's problems.
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Agreed Bill. The only problem with Bowling is the bowlers.
As usual pn this site, lots of belly aching and damn few constructive suggestions on how to fix bowling's problems.
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My wife went to the state usbc jamboree last weekend. They had a couple of speakers there from the usbc. The usbc told the people at the jamboree that when they are asked specific questions about sanctioning, awards, etc they are to ask questions back such as how long have you bowled, does your family bowl, etc. Basically not to answer the specific question at all. My wife replied to the usbc speaker no wonder why you have the issues you do because you don't address the questions that people ask.
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"My wife went to the state usbc jamboree last weekend. They had a couple of speakers there from the usbc. The usbc told the people at the jamboree that when they are asked specific questions about sanctioning, awards, etc they are to ask questions back such as how long have you bowled, does your family bowl, etc. Basically not to answer the specific question at all. My wife replied to the usbc speaker no wonder why you have the issues you do because you don't address the questions that people ask."
Typical USBC response....
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USBC, they are salesmen, plain and simple. Their job is to sell a product that nobody really needs, but makes people think they want. And, USBC is damned good at it.
aaayyyy, it's only a 25 bucksa, botta boom
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USBC, they are salesmen, plain and simple. Their job is to sell a product that nobody really needs, but makes people think they want. And, USBC is damned good at it.
aaayyyy, it's only a 25 bucksa, botta boom
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Doesn't value established rules, averages and league bonding.
Nobody "needs" those things, right?
**On Edit: I am a USBC critic too!
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My wife went to the state usbc jamboree last weekend. They had a couple of speakers there from the usbc. The usbc told the people at the jamboree that when they are asked specific questions about sanctioning, awards, etc they are to ask questions back such as how long have you bowled, does your family bowl, etc. Basically not to answer the specific question at all. My wife replied to the usbc speaker no wonder why you have the issues you do because you don't address the questions that people ask.
U. S. B. C. Motto:
If you can't blind them with brilliance, then baffle them with bulls**t.
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The rules set forth by ABC / USBC have long been the standard for regulating bowling as a sport. But, any league could establish a set of rules too. As for bonding? I've been in the industry long enough, in the right place(?), to have witnessed, bonding does little or nothing for the league if someone takes off with the money. Averages? With technology today, it would be easy enough to set up a data base.
What USBC has done is, stick their nose where it doesn't belong and that's on the business side of bowling. Who needs them regurgitating what manufacturers can tell us themselves. And, ever noticed how long it takes for USBC to get past the shameless advertising of their product to get to a point?
Here's something that really irks me, certified coaching. It's not so much the learning aspect of becoming a certified coach, USBC turned right around and introduced free instructional dvd's. It stabbed all of those certified coaches squarely in the back. To think, the money that it costs to get certified was at least partially responsible for production of those dvd's.
Don't even get me started on the Learning Center, could go on and on.
Actually, I have been very vocal ever since the advent of short oil and other imposed regulations on the industry.
I can absolutely say, ABC / USBC has done way more harm than good.
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My wife went to the state usbc jamboree last weekend. They had a couple of speakers there from the usbc. The usbc told the people at the jamboree that when they are asked specific questions about sanctioning, awards, etc they are to ask questions back such as how long have you bowled, does your family bowl, etc. Basically not to answer the specific question at all. My wife replied to the usbc speaker no wonder why you have the issues you do because you don't address the questions that people ask.
MUTINY!! THROW THE HERETIC OVERBOARD!! "Sir, we're not at sea." Oh. Ma'am, I'm afraid I can't allow you to speak about the USBC like that. I'm revoking your membership. NOW, CAKE AND ICE CREAM IN THE LOBBY!!!