Post by: BW on January 18, 2011, 02:43:58 AM
I just got an email from Storm stating that, effective 2/1/2011 they are setting new floor pricing for their higher end balls and roller bags. Enforcement will be placed on distributors who will lose any and all discounts if they sell to retailers who then sell below the floor price.
Some pricing examples:
Anarchy $154
Marvel $139
Victory Road $118
Theory $133
4 ball Rolling Thunder $191
3 ball Rolling Thunder $123
4 ball Streamline $167
3 ball Streamline $96
Bravo to Storm. Let the flames begin.
Post by: The Dreaded Durbin on January 18, 2011, 10:49:51 AM
Post by: BW on January 18, 2011, 11:12:27 AM
Current and February pricing via bowlingball.com
Anarchy $140/$160
Marvel $135/$139
Reign Supreme $110/$118
Victory Road $118/$118
6 ball roller Thunder $215/$243
4 ball roller Thunder $170/$191
4 ball roller streamline $158/$168
Post by: BW on January 18, 2011, 11:17:52 AM
Also , this applies to all retailers, not just the big three internet guys.
Post by: The Dreaded Durbin on January 18, 2011, 11:29:15 AM
Bye Bye internet retail bowling super store....hello pro shop industry.
Edited by The Dreaded Durbin on 1/18/2011 at 12:33 PM
Post by: qstick777 on January 18, 2011, 11:42:34 AM
No worries. All this will go away when the distributors start buying in smaller quantities.
Post by: sstaz on January 18, 2011, 11:42:41 AM
Post by: The Dreaded Durbin on January 18, 2011, 11:47:01 AM
I don't think it stops at $160. I think we at least see it get to $180 before people get in a panic It would appear that $160 is right at the point where the E-Customer gets frustrated with buying on line and looks elsewhere. Ball prices obviously are not going to level and stay at $160, and will go up. Either the E-tailer dies out or finds a new way to make money. The pro shop is going to become the place to shop once again.
Right now its starting to make no sense to the customer to buy on line. If the shop in your area sells high end from between $189 to 200 totally drilled, why buy on line? If the shop in your area charges $220+ than the internet is still the best price. Once the balls get to about $180, it will make no sense to buy on line any where in the country. The pro shop needs to have the best price in town, not the internet building that just puts a shipping label on your ball.
This gives the pro shop alot of flexibility on prices and things they can do for the customer. No longer will the ball be $60-70 cheaper if bought on line.
Edited by The Dreaded Durbin on 1/18/2011 at 1:53 PM
Edited by The Dreaded Durbin on 1/18/2011 at 1:54 PM
Post by: JOE FALCO on January 18, 2011, 11:49:33 AM
SURPRISE! What do they call it when you put away the competition? .. there has to be a name for it! Was the on-line store under pricing the Storm balls as well?
I hope the food industry doesn't get hold of this .. WalMart/Cosco/Sam's/BJ's are all in jeopardy! Got to help the local stores .. don't want them to get hurt!
I hope the food industry doesn't get hold of this .. WalMart/Cosco/Sam's/BJ's are all in jeopardy! Got to help the local stores .. don't want them to get hurt!
Post by: qstick777 on January 18, 2011, 12:03:00 PM
It's going to go somewhere.
Think about it. You have Ebonite going on those TV shows (like How It's Made) with their "we can make a core every 7 seconds, 24 hours a day.
If they can't sell everything they make, they have to cut back on production. They didn't spend all that money on buildings and equipment to let it sit idle. Even when they aren't producing they are paying for utilities.
Or maybe they start producing less balls, and start increasing the number of new releases - as if they don't do it enough all ready!
Or maybe their engineers start tweaking the coverstock formulations so that they really do die after 60-100 games. ;)
Either way, this speaks to nothing about the profits by the distributors. It doesn't prevent the distributors from selling to the e-tailers at a discount. It only means that the e-tailers can't sell below a certain level. It cuts into their profit margin.
And it certainly doesn't prevent the e-tailers from offering coupons and other discounts, or throwing in additional items (cleaners, inserts, towels, or other high-profit items) for free.
Post by: BW on January 18, 2011, 12:03:00 PM
Joe,
Apples and oranges, sir.
The warehouse clubs are in no danger. Some people want to buy peanut butter by the gallon. Some don't.
Why would distributors start buying smaller quantites? If Joe Bowler wants a ball, he's going to buy it somewhere. If the net price of buying online/blank drilling and the pro shop price are the same, what changes in his buying decision?
And the distibutor is probably making more per ball selling to the pro shop than the etailer anyway.
Hell, the etailer is being "forced" to have a higer profit. Even if his volume goes down a bit, will their net profits actually stay the same, selling less product?
Post by: jls on January 18, 2011, 01:02:47 PM
Well way back in Nov. when Ebonite displayed the guts and class to step up to the plate, I said that Storm and Brunswick need to do the same thing...
Nice to see storm did...
Now maybe Brunswick will...
Btw, not a good showing for the Alpha Max over the weekend...
Might need to increase that rebate to $100...
jls
Post by: robuster on January 18, 2011, 03:20:59 PM
Live free or die trying.
Post by: T C 300 on January 18, 2011, 04:06:58 PM
oh im sure this will!! jls will prolly put the childporn down and start rantn about this by 6:33pm EST..
LOL
wow, didnt take him very long as i seen he has already put in his -2cents worth....
Edited by T C 300 on 1/18/2011 at 5:10 PM
Post by: JOE FALCO on January 18, 2011, 04:10:20 PM
The warehouse clubs are in no danger. Some people want to buy peanut butter by the gallon. Some don't.
When I go to WALMART I buy the exact same product that I get at HARRIS TEETHER for less .. you are correct about the discount stores .. but the point I was making was they sell for LESS and therefore threaten the local store ..
Everyone looks to save money .. I wanted to book a round trip from NC to NY yesterday and the price was +/- $400 (for 2) .. today same airlines same time period +/- $200 which one do you think I booked?
Post by: robuster on January 18, 2011, 04:47:24 PM
Live free or die trying.
Post by: jls on January 18, 2011, 05:36:31 PM
Sir, So far as far as I can see, the only price increases have come from the online dealers... Not pro shops...Our prices have stayed the same...However YOUR online buddies have raised their prices to YOU and Joe...
So why don't you go and bash those online dealers who now have JACKED up their prices to you and Joe...Cause pro shops have not raise their prices...
The truth sucks....
May I ask you this sir... Do you work, do you expect to get paid for working...do you make more than some little girl in China... If so, you might want to consider a PAY CUT, or you might lose your job...
You see sir, people don't care about how much you make, they only care about how much it cost them... And since you probably make more than some little girl in China... You like so many american's might and have lost their jobs...
The Point you ask... When online dealers were getting inside below the belt prices, they were hurting pro shops... But Keyboard pounders don't care about that...
And guess what, when you keyboard pounders lose your jobs to some little girl in China so that we all can shop at Wal Mart... So sad too bad...
You seeing how this works.................
jls
Post by: JOE FALCO on January 18, 2011, 06:29:03 PM
We can look at this in different lights .. truth of the matter is .. The on-line dealers were offering discounts to bowlers .. since Ebonite says YOU CAN'T OFFER THESE DISCOUNTS .. we the BOWLER is losing out. I believe this is also hurting the on-line dealers since they no-longer can offer the BOWLER a better price. Now the BOWLER NOT HAVING AN OPTION has to pay a HIGHER PRICE then they were though the on-line dealer before Ebonite made this change. It's being called PROTECTING THEIR PRODUCT .. but who are they protecting against .. BUYERS???? Now STORM is jumping on the bandwagon .. why? It's been said .. IT'S ONLY $10 .. now the $10 (as it's being referred too) is only an increase to the BOWLER! I guess it's better in the B/M shops pocket then it is in the bowlers pocket! (to explain: the bowler now has to dish out extra money to either the B/M shops or dish out more money to the on-line shop .. naturally the B/M shop is not making more on the ball due to the Ebonite change .. just the bowler is paying more .. convoluted .. but that's the way it goes! NET/NET the bowler is paying more .. now it seems STORM will follow suite ..why not all the ball companies .. the only one losing out is the BOWLER)
Maybe the companies have the right idea .. get these prices higher before the USBC kills the game entirely!
Post by: gparks on January 18, 2011, 06:59:25 PM
i don't know what the industry is doing but i'd never go to on-line shops.my local pro shop more than keeps me coming back,i don't buy so much as a towel from a web site. with the personal one on one experience and advice, tips...etc that i get from my shop i spend my money there to keep them around.
Post by: robuster on January 18, 2011, 07:08:21 PM
Live free or die trying.
Post by: SKIDSNAP on January 18, 2011, 07:13:16 PM
Joe your position on this issue has been well stated.
You will except nothing less than a cheap bowling ball and you have no regard for the person who has invested their time and energy in learning how to develop the product, operate the business where you purchase the product.
It is all about you and who gives a flying flip about everyone else.
The bowler in general does not lose out in this situation. People who provide better service will end up with more business. Leeches like you are just going to have to ...
SUCK IT UP!!!!
Post by: SKIDSNAP on January 18, 2011, 07:23:44 PM
Robuster,
You are making things up. You keep on playing the "and then", "what's to say" and the "what if" game. They are not freezing out the "e-net" . That is your supposition...
Your charge of collusion has absolutly no merit considering that the policies that have been imposed so far are not even close in structure or implementation.
Stop looking for conspiracies. Take off your tin hat and chill out.
Post by: BW on January 18, 2011, 07:33:42 PM
Joe,
The problem is that you should have never been allowed to buy balls as cheap as you could for the last 10 years. You're not being cheated. You enjoyed your 10 years of an underpriced market. That time is now over. Ball companies should have done this years ago, but they underestimated the future impact of the internet.
Your airline analogy is pretty poor considering that airlines provide a service while bowling balls are a product. As you stated, airfare fluctuates day to day. At least the bowling ball will be the same price today and tomorrow. And people in this country are waaaay more frustrated by airline policies than they ever will be by bowling companies.
FYI, never buy airline tickets on Monday. Fares are almost always lowest on Tuesday when prices are updated. Then they typically rise through the week.
Post by: JOE FALCO on January 18, 2011, 07:36:23 PM
The bowler in general does not lose out in this situation. People who provide better service will end up with more business. Leeches like you are just going to have to ...
SUCK IT UP!!!!
The bowler does not lose out .. you have to be kidding!
Post by: JOE FALCO on January 18, 2011, 07:40:15 PM
The problem is that you should have never been allowed to buy balls as cheap as you could for the last 10 years. You're not being cheated. You enjoyed your 10 years of an underpriced market. That time is now over. Ball companies should have done this years ago, but they underestimated the future impact of the internet.
Thank you .. it appears that you agree that an option was taking away from the bowler!
Post by: Whos Left on January 18, 2011, 07:44:33 PM
Free market enterprise. There is no evidence of collusion for price controls. The company is free to charge
what they can get for their product and the consumer is free to buy --or not.
Post by: SKIDSNAP on January 18, 2011, 07:54:17 PM
They don't lose. They get better service for the amout they spend. You only care about price. So of course you will be disappointed!!! I do not feel bad for you.
If/when you open your own shop. A customer like you will be the first you throw out. And you will feel the disrespect you feel toward those of us who work in a shop.
Post by: Stan on January 18, 2011, 08:16:29 PM
I guess its all how you look at it. jls, you said that your prices will remain the same. Thats great. Now if only all the other pro shops do the same, then there is really no difference. What I do not understand is, if a customer brought in a internet ball to be drilled in your shop, would you not make the same profit as if the customer purchased the ball directly from you . I mean, you will charge for you drilling service, isn't that the profit you make ? Now, if you jack up the price of the ball and then add your drilling service, then you would lose money off the internet ball. I rather lose a few dollars on a ball, then spend thousands of dollars in inventory knowing that when the next batch of new balls come in, I will be having a fire sale trying to sell the old stock.
Guess it depends on how busy your shop is, meaning, you can turn over your inventory very quickly. I know many shops in my area that have little or no inventory. Actually, some of them prefer to drill internet balls. They have no money invested in stock and if the ball has a defect, the customer has to deal with the online shop. Kind of a win win for everyone. I really think it all depends on the area you are living in. Some shops can charge a lot more money for the equipment than other shops. jsl and you other guys, how would you feel if your shop was down the road from Buddies Pro Shop. Remember, he also has a b/m pro shop in a bowling center.
I really do not know where this is all going to end up. But I do agree with some of the other posters. The ball manufacturers are in business to sell product. If their marketing model, THIS YEAR, says they should try to sell more product thru a b/m shop, then they will do whatever is necessary to entice b/m shops to sell their product. If their marketing model, NEXT YEAR, changes because last years model did not generate enough profit, then its a whole new game. Guess we will have to wait and see.
Post by: kevin18p on January 18, 2011, 08:42:03 PM
these guys who think buying off the net is so great cause it a couple bucks cheaper are the same guys who when they get the product and it's not to they're liking or wrong bring it to the local shop and then get pissed when the local guy tells them to pound sand. i deal with it every day in the motorcycle industry.
Post by: airrip on January 18, 2011, 10:23:19 PM
Proud keyboard pounder.
Post by: JessN16 on January 18, 2011, 10:55:24 PM
If you're looking for a way to "beat the system," here it is...
1) Don't buy new releases until they're on closeout.
2) Repeat step #1.
Really. This is one reason why I started drilling my own stuff -- a decision made primarily because my local pro shop, at the time, saw fit to only be open 3-4 hours a day, at times rarely coinciding with the posted hours on the door, and oftentimes doing work that was not all that professional. It has improved recently, but the horses are out of the barn for me.
Since opening my backyard shop, I have gotten great results out of buying stuff 6 months after it came out, usually at a discount, and it performs just as well as the latest and greatest. I realize not everyone has the space to put a shop in their home, but if saving money is that important, learn to work the system.
Otherwise, the pro shops will charge what they need to charge, and the ball companies will do what they have to do to protect their greatest asset -- i.e., the final delivery mechanism, meaning the pro shop. We're losing too many pro shops in the small and midsize markets as it is.
Jess
Post by: Gunny on January 19, 2011, 07:17:37 AM
This is what I did and looks like you and others have done also. The companies now set the limit, and now the e-tailers and shops have raised prices up to 30 bucks. May not be alot to some, but it is to me, along with the principle of what they're doing. If the price of their purchase from the dist. hasn't gone up, than why have prices gone up?I've gone out and learned the system, layouts, drillings, hole placements, etc. etc. etc., yadda, yadda, yadda. I'll take my drillings over a shop that can't match the span on a ball any day! And yes, I've fixed many friends balls because of that reason and because they couldn't match the friggan pitches. But they were talked into the newest and greatest ball that came out that would do wonders for their game. Only to tear up their thumb because of not matching pitches and span being an 1/8 to 3/16 off. Now granted not all shops are like this, but a great number are. And its either deal with them or learn the system, like JessN16 and I, among others who have.
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Post by: Cobb on January 19, 2011, 08:14:12 AM
Just my 2¢, love it or hate it, I really don't care.
Post by: jls on January 19, 2011, 08:36:03 AM
Joe, Yes it does appear that if a consumer who was USED to the LOW BALL PRICES they were getting online for the last 12 years, then yes they are paying a few dollars more if still bought ONLINE...
However I have not seen any price increases at the PRO SHOP LEVEL... Just your ONLINE dealers...
So if a consumer bought from a pro shop for the last 12 years, he is not seeing any increase in prices at the pro shop level...
It's YOU, the people that were able to take advantage of Dist/Online dealers LOW BALL prices for the last 12 years that will be PAYING more if you buy ONLINE................
And now for the first time in the ONLINE ERA... The field has been leveled...And it's upsets you to see that pro shops now are getting a fair deal...
so sad too bad...................
So once again JOE, want don't you bash your ONLINE dealers... for they raised the prices to YOU...Not Ebonite, Not Storm...
Of course Joe, you can still buy Brunswick at super low prices...Stock up...And make sure you get a towel and polish and cleaner and taco's....<<< That's right, I said taco's..
jls
Post by: JOE FALCO on January 19, 2011, 08:55:37 AM
It's YOU, the people that were able to take advantage of Dist/On line dealers LOW BALL prices for the last 12 years that will be PAYING more if you buy ONLINE................
Finally .. agreed .. as you suggested that's 33% of balls sold .. I guess that means 33% of bowlers buying ball had an option taking away from them when Ebonite made this change.
Could have saved me a lot of time if you said this earlier.. and I would not have to read all these vicious remarks by some bowlers who can't see what's happening!
Could have saved me a lot of time if you said this earlier.. and I would not have to read all these vicious remarks by some bowlers who can't see what's happening!
Post by: airrip on January 19, 2011, 09:02:10 AM
Oh wait all that is wrong, because JLS said "if a consumer bought from a pro shop for the last 12 years, he is not seeing any increase in prices at the pro shop level.". And believe him when he tells us, because he knows. With the hundred of balls in inventory, sells more polish in a day then most do in a month, and all his employees, he knows and speaks for all. If you don't believe me just ask him.
Oh and one more thing JLS, I was almost proud of you, because you almost made it through an entire post without some snide, backhanded, racist comment.
Proud keyboard ponder.
Post by: BW on January 19, 2011, 09:33:04 AM
Joe, It's not 33% of bowlers. It's 33% of ball sales.Online sales are skewed towards ball junkies like you. For every bowler who buys 10 balls/year online, there are probably 10 or 20 bowlers buying 1 ball/year in the pro shop. See the difference?
Who do you think Ebonite and Storm want to see happy?; the 1 online consumer or the 10 or 20 pro shop consumers.
Do you understand the math? 30 balls get sold, you buy 10 of them. That's 33% of balls, but only 5-10% of the consumers.
Edited by BW on 1/19/2011 at 10:36 AM
Edited by BW on 1/19/2011 at 10:36 AM
Post by: jls on January 19, 2011, 10:27:37 AM
Air dry...When I said that pro shops were not raising prices, that is exactly what I have seen and heard... I'm in the business, not you... You are nothing more than a two bit stalker of JLS... NOTICE, there were several other pro shops who posted, yet you ignore their post, even though they seem to be on the same page as me...Yet you do your usual thing of bashing me... You are nothing but a two bit keyboard pounding stalker...
Now once agaon CHILD, I have not seen any price increases since the Nov. 1st Ebonite policy went into affect...
Now as time goes by, I'm sure our cost will go up and then pro shops will raise their prices...
But all you are trying to do, you little keyboard pounding stalker is try to make it look like pro shops are trying to screw the public..
YOU ARE A SICK LITTLE PERSON
Now recess is over child... go pee pee on the toy toy, we don't need anymore accidents in class...
And please, wash your hands...Still sucking your thumb right...
jls
Post by: Cobb on January 19, 2011, 10:42:21 AM
Post by: BKloss on January 19, 2011, 10:56:30 AM
It is simple in his mind, if you are not on HIS side of something YOU are WRONG.
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Post by: jls on January 19, 2011, 11:11:42 AM
Isn't it amazing, the pro shops near this guy are no good....But as usual with online shoppers, he "found a guy" and now he gets his "stuff" drilled right...
And of course "his guy" is not a pro shop. So therefore he must be the best, cause as we all can plainly see from Air drips little friend here...Pro shops don't know how to drill, but he "found a guy"..
move along both of you...
U R both online shoppers who seek out hole pounders to drill your balls...
jls
Post by: jls on January 19, 2011, 11:14:20 AM
On look, a reply from someone on Brunswick's staff...
And of course it will be negative towards any pro shop who supports what the GOOD PEOPLE at Storm and Ebonite are doing...
Wake up Brunswick
jls
Post by: BKloss on January 19, 2011, 11:27:48 AM
JLS:
You make statements that may hold true for your pro shop, but not everyone’s. You cannot speak for shops that raise their prices, or lower their prices in regards to what Ebonite and Storm has done with their pricing. And just because a guy drills and doesn't do so in a pro-shop doesn't mean he has no clue what he is doing and EVERY pro-shop is better. There are 4 pro shops in my area and 1 out of the 4 I would trust to drill my equipment. Just because you have a shop in an alley doesn’t make a good pro-shop, it means you can afford the rent.
As far as Brunswick waking up? What about the other companies? AMF, Global, Mo-Rich, Motiv, Lane 1 etc….?
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Post by: Cobb on January 19, 2011, 11:30:42 AM
Post by: jls on January 19, 2011, 11:38:51 AM
Well why don't we ask the many pro shops that do post here if they have raised their prices since the Nov. 1 Ebonite policy went into affect... I have not seen any indication of prices being raised... Just because air dry claims it, doesn't make it so...
Now give me a break with this stuff about "I wouldn't let that pro shop drill my stuff"
We hear this all the time on this site... and from whom????????????
From keyboard pounders who buy online...
Now U know the main reason they have hole pounders drill their balls...
CHEAP PRICES Usually $25 with inserts, slugs, lunch and a car wash...
Now give me a break...Most real pro shops KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING...
Sure there are the CONVERTED BROOM CLOSET PRO SHOPS that may not...U- know the ones...
Usually open from 5-8, and they BOWL during that time...
Now as for the other SMALLER companies you brought up...
In time I do believe they will also wake up...
But I was putting your company>>> Brunswick in the same class as Storm and Ebonite...
The big three, the industry leaders...
Now two have stepped forward...
once again
Wake up Brunswick
jls
Post by: JOE FALCO on January 19, 2011, 11:41:50 AM
33% of bowlers buying ball had an option taking away from them when Ebonite made this change.
I stand corrected .. 33% of balls sold .. I did say that earlier in the statement .. but you are correct and I was in error! Thanks!
Post by: airrip on January 19, 2011, 11:46:24 AM
So I washed my hands, as per your request, and I will tyr not to have any accidents for you. I know I am not worthy of responding to you, but I am going to try, so please forgive me....
I must have touched a nerve, because you sure typed in big bold letters this time.
Also JLS thanks for the promotion....I was just a keyboad pounder, now I am a two bit keyboard pounding stalker. Is that bad? I'm not sure, but I feel good to be rewarded like that.
I'm slow so excuse me for asking again, but is being a keyboard ponder a bad thing? Could I be a screen pounder since I'm typing on an iPad?
With all your idiotic rambling and name calling though, I hope you did maybe open your eyes to see that some pro shops have indeed raised their prices. Maybe not the one you visit, (oh wait you own your own pro shop), but don't make such a general statement when you really have no clue what you are talking about.
Air dry( I like it) thanks JLS for the name change.
Two bit keyboard pounding stalker
Hoping for promotion to screen pounder (come on JLS)
Post by: BKloss on January 19, 2011, 11:53:50 AM
Just because Air-dry claims it doesn't make it so, just because you claim it doesn't make it so? Same point different side of the fence....once again if its not the same as you its wrong!
If a pro-shop in your area missed a span by greater than 1/4" then i'm sure you wouldn't want them touching your stuff. If they missed your pitches by 1/4" (1/8 rev vs 1/8 forward) you wouldn't let them touch your stuff. If they put the same pitches in EVERYONES thumb 1/8 left 1/4 reverse....need I go on?
And I said I wouldn't let them drill my stuff....I don't buy online, soooooooo once again your generalized statements are wrong.
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Post by: airrip on January 19, 2011, 12:00:00 PM
I never said all pro shops are raising their prices. I said mine is and I dont have a problem with it. I was just pointing out how wrong you were when you stated "the consumer who bought at the pro shop level for the last 12 years, he is not seeing ANY increase at the pro shop level. "
It's called reading comprehension. You can do it. I believe in you.
And once again I am happy to pay my pro shop more then an online seller for the service he provides, before, during, and after the purchase.
Air dry
Proud two bit keyboard pounding stalker
Come on JL still waiting for my next promotion to screen pounder
Post by: Gunny on January 19, 2011, 12:01:54 PM
Its hilarious! But I got tired of his childish behavior and sifting through his nonsense in every posts. So on the iggy list he went so I don't have to deal with the nonsense. Out of all the forums I visit on a daily basis, he's the only one on the list. Go figure
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Post by: jls on January 19, 2011, 12:18:07 PM
Air dry... What I feel you did was go on and on about how pro shops can now raise their prices since online prices have gone up... And if this happened in your area then I would say that IT WAS WRONG...
The whole point of these new pricing programs was to level the playing field...I think it is pretty stupid for any pro shop to us this program to raise their prices...
You see air dry, here in the big city with the tall buildings and Star Bucks on every corner, people are not stupid...They know their prices... if they see online prices went up, it makes the price at their pro shops look good...So how stupid is it for pro shops to raise their prices...Especially since Ebonite has not raise prices to Pro shops...
But you are right, just because pro shops in my area did not raise prices, doesn't mean that pro shops in other areas didn't... Also, glad to see that you do indeed get your balls drilled by a pro shop...
Over and over again on this site we read post from keyboard pounding online shoppers who make statements saying they can't find a pro shop that knows what he is doing... Now this dude on the B-Staff make a statement about the span being 1/4" off... who was drilling that ball, someone who is blind in one eye and can't see out the other...Give me break here, Cause I feel real PRO SHOPS know what they are doing...
But if one was to listen and believe the crap posted on this site about drilling... One would conclude that there are NO PRO SHOPS that know how to drill...
and that is not so....
have a nice day Air Dry...
btw, glad you like your new name...
Now Air dry, when I told you about what we stock, I was trying to make a point...We are not a converted broom closet with no inventory...If you IM me with your cell #... I will text you over pic's.
jls
Post by: jls on January 19, 2011, 12:38:05 PM
Yes Gunny... Oh and BTW folks... Gunny here is a hole pounder from Florida who will drill you a ball for $25...
Does that still come with lunch Gunny?
And he doesn't claim it on his income taxes...
This crap with Gunny goes back about 3--4 years...
And Gunny, it's a pleasure to know I made your childish list...
Now be careful Gunny, cause one day the Tax man might find you...
Until then, keep on pounding...
You see, this is what I believe Ebonite and Storm were talking about...
jls
Post by: airrip on January 19, 2011, 12:41:53 PM
There no way in today's market someone as sharp as you would not have a website, so all your customers can see what's in stock and read testimonials anout the incredible service the recieved. And you can't forget the polish. Remeber you sell more in a day then most people do in a month.
So oh great one, it's time to put up or shut up. Unfortunately for the sane folks here,you will do neither. Instead we will get let's see "I don't need keyboard pounders business" or "I don't want no porch monkey taco eating wannabe bowlers coming into my shop"
So I will wait for you to deliver the name of your shop and it's web address with baited breath.
Air dry
Keyboard pounder
P.s. Hey everyone. JLS is such an idiot he doesn't even realize he could just make up a pro shop name or act like one that exists is his and give that information out. It's a secret so don't tell him that's all he would have to do.
Post by: northface28 on January 19, 2011, 12:43:39 PM
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Post by: Juggernaut on January 19, 2011, 12:44:37 PM
IMHO (one that JLS probably won't agree with) isn't so much that the manufacturers are having to prop up the market by enforcing a floor pricing system, it is that the bowling ball and proshop industries are FAR AND AWAY over bloated.
I blame the very people JLS is lauding, THE MANUFACTURERS!
They have used marketing ( and perhaps planned obsolescence) to drive the demand for bowling equipment to artificially inflated levels, then fired up the plants to produce way more equipment than needed to meet those artificial demands.
This has produced a market where there are FAR more proshops than are actually needed. This would NOT be so, were it not for the market being artificial.
The proshop industry has been duped into believing that it is a viable business that can be self supporting and lucrative, when in fact the opposite is true, AND I THINK THE MANUFACTURERS KNOW THAT.
GOOD PROSHOPS ARE NEEDED, but not in the quantity they exist now, and that is the crux of the problem. Manufacturers pumping out far too many balls, flooding the market with product that can't be sold, then creating a new model and discontinuing the current model that is flooding the market, and starting the process all over again, leaving the proshops to fend for themselves in a tight economy with an outdated inventory they can't sell at full price any longer, just to keep their OWN wheels turning.
JLS, the manufacturers couldn't care LESS about you. They will tell you otherwise, but if they did really care, they would STOP flooding the market with so much junk and work WITH you to promote and move as much merchandise as possible BEFORE coming out with something new.
Like I've tried to say before, to me it ISN'T about price as much as it is about lies and unfair practices all created by the manufacturers in order to protect THEMSELVES. They couldn't care LESS about you proshops because they know SOMEBODY will drill the balls, and they don't care if it is a highly trained professional like yourself or a "hole pounder" in his garage.
They created this monstrosity, and have left you proshop owners out there to deal with it, then enlisted your support with artificial claims of supporting you through "floor pricing", basically getting you to sing their praises while they are busy flooding the artificial market they created and making things harder for you.
Good transactions list in my profile
Post by: jls on January 19, 2011, 12:53:37 PM
Jag, nice post... Man it's amazing when someone knows how to stick to the topic... Unlike the 3rd graders on this site that just come on and bash and seldom address the topic...
Now as for flooding the market... you are right again...and hopefully this is going to be addressed...
Next week at the Ebonite seminar... They will be addressing this very topic...
And who again was it that really started to pump out new balls in the 90's...so they could meet the numbers that their cover stock maker wanted....Gee what was that companies name... Anyone having Taco's for lunch? <<<
that's right, I said Taco's...
Air drip... Take Lake shore drive north to Madison. ave... turn right and walk til your hat floats...When that happens, you are there...JLS' Wonderful World Of Bowling ...
Now as for a web site... why we use several... Dex Knows, Yahoo, Yellow Book.com, Yellow Pages.com.
Now get lost kid, cause you really bore me...
jls
Edited by jls on 1/19/2011 at 2:11 PM
Post by: airrip on January 19, 2011, 02:29:33 PM
I guess if you can't answer it, that's all you can do. So please do us a favor and get off the pc for a while and join the rest of us in the 3 dimensional world. Wait, Im sure this is the only site you post on 375 times a day.
So until you can answer the very simple question, why don't you go count the hundreds of balls you have in stock, and then come back here and parrot something interesting that you can claim as your own idea.
Post by: jls on January 19, 2011, 02:51:33 PM
Oh the Stalker returns...It's amazing, all you have done on this thread is attack me...Cause that is what you are all about...Very little of the garbage that has come out of your mouth addresses the topic of the thread...
If your not attacking your posting stories trying to make people believe that because of these new programs, Pro shops are raising prices...Do you do this just to get a rise out of Joe...
Now drip dry, you're a has been was not never will be never was, trying to act like a man on the bowling ball site...Much like some other person, all you love to do is attack me... The other fool started bashing me and did not even realize that I had posted... Which clearly shows he did not even bother to read any of the post of this thread... He just saw this thread pertained to the pricing policy and started right in bashing... Then about 3-4 hours later he finally realized his mistake...
Now child, let me explain this to you... we have about 9.3 million people in my area...so why do you feel I need to worry about 50-100 keyboard pounding online shoppers...scattered across the country...
Now I do have people on this site who I deal with... They know me and that's all that matters to me... I don't need to worry about people like you who are still in the 3rd grade and post on mommy's PC...
What I find amazing and amusing is when online shoppers post things like, "I can't find a decent pro shop" or I would let the 2 pro shops in my area touch my ball" Ya right...As we all know, there are no pro shops that know how to drill balls for the experts known as keyboard pounders...Who seek out Cheap...both in the price of balls and when it comes to getting them drilled...
So when someone like me comes on and supports pro shops... It comes with a PRICE...
I must deal with lowlifes who hate pro shops and want to buy balls as cheap as possible and have them drilled by their "guy" Mr hole pounder... For $25 with inserts, slugs , lunch..and a car wash...
U-know, people Like Gunny, the basement ball driller from Florida that does not show any of his sales on his income tax...And when I called him on that...
He put me on his childish iggy list... LUCKY ME...
Now Drip Dry, follow Gunny's lead...
cause you really bore me...
jls
Edited by jls on 1/19/2011 at 3:55 PM
Post by: airrip on January 19, 2011, 03:16:22 PM
I replied to original topic, and then to your idiotic generalization about how no pro shops are raising prices. You must have missed that part. You are so predictable and laughable with your responses. Hey let me ask you this, if you have 9.3 million people in the city and don't need us 50-100 keyboards pounders, why would you offer to send me pics of your "pro shop" to my phone? You don't need 50-100 people but you need just 1? Seems like a contradiction to little old me. Sorry that was a big word. Oops, did you just get caught? Maybe I'm just special and you want my phone number. Which is it oh wise sage.
Also since I am a proud keyboard pounder, because I post on here 1/100 of the time you do, what does that make you? Wait I forgot you have some catchy response about your employees.
Once again let the name calling begin, but please try to answer one question
Post by: Cobb on January 19, 2011, 03:31:34 PM
jls,
I've given up on you, I stated my case on why I do not use my local proshops and you for some reason just think that I must be wrong and the proshops do amazing work. Well you're wrong, I only started buying online once I moved here. Like I stated before, where I used to live there was a great proshop, which is where I purchased ALL of my equipment. The prices there weren't the best but the drilling/customer service was worth the price bump. Please stop generalizing everything and everyones situation.
Post by: jls on January 19, 2011, 03:46:21 PM
Cobb, sir that was not targeted towards you... But that statement has been made over and over again on this site...Now if you are from a small town, then yes I can see your point...Maybe there are few pro shops to choose from...
But seriously, that comment has been made over and over on this site by so many...
And they always have "their guy" and "their guy" is always someone in his basement...It's gets old after a while...
Bottom line here, is these new policy should help Pro shops...And hopefully Pro shops won't abuse the consumer by raising their prices as Air Dry has pointed out...
Now I must pick up food... It's Italian night...
You all have a great night...
jls
Post by: Trimman2 on January 20, 2011, 05:24:57 AM
jls, I know you have asked a lot of people over time if they are from Mayberry, but I have to ask. ARE YOU 
You are wrong about Gunny being a basement ball driller from Fl. You see, we have no basements in Fl. 
Post by: jls on January 20, 2011, 07:36:48 AM
Basement, Garage, living room, etc... It's all the same...
jls
Post by: kidlost2000 on January 20, 2011, 08:30:53 AM
It is all the same. Price is the only difference.
Be good, or be good at it.