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hotshot187

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streched span vs relaxed span
« on: July 16, 2006, 12:25:22 PM »
Can somebody explain the differences and why would chose one over the other?


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Jesse James

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Re: streched span vs relaxed span
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2006, 08:36:04 PM »
IMO the relaxed span is used for casual bowlers, bowlers who only bowl recreationally. Since I still have a coupla balls with relaxed spans...from back when I first started bowling....I recognized that it is hard for me to be consistent, throwing these balls.

My hand can too easily clench, cup, or loosely hold the span holes, therefore not affording me the defined "feel" needed to get proper muscle memory going, while trying to repeat shots.

On the stretched span, I immediately know the grip "feel", and can alter or adjust my releases based on that benchmark, starting point.

Hope that helps.
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Re: streched span vs relaxed span
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2006, 08:48:40 PM »
The relaxed span by far.  Reason:  as a ball driller, I have witnessed so many people with problems with their hand, wrist, elbow, or arm because their hand is tretched out.  If you go according to the way Mo Pinel fits a span, you should not have any problems with pain in your hand, wrist, etc....and should still get a good feel of the ball.  Do not go stretched to eliminate pain before it starts.  You wont regret it.
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Re: streched span vs relaxed span
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2006, 08:50:33 PM »
Another thing....relaxed spans are NOT for just the casual bowler.  It is the correct way and the way pro shop operators are taught to drill.
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Re: streched span vs relaxed span
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2006, 09:26:36 PM »
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Can somebody explain the differences and why would chose one over the other?


With a relaxed fingertip grip, when your thumb is in its hole with the fingers extending comfortably but not stretched over the top of the finger holes, the first joint (closest to the nail) will be about half way between the front and back edge of the hole.  With a stretched grip the first joint will be at the front edge of the hole.  In the day of plastic and rubber balls, some bowlers thought you could get more lift and turn on the ball with a stretched grip.  But it led to many joint problems.  The relaxed grip is now the standard.  --  JohnP

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Re: streched span vs relaxed span
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2006, 10:02:20 PM »
JOHN P  said it all. I do notice however that if you are going to use a release aid you need to have all your balls adjusted to your span WITH it on. My span was a full 1/4 inch shorter when I used a pro release than without. Even with a master glove on I can tell a difference in feel.
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Re: streched span vs relaxed span
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2006, 10:16:10 PM »
Relaxed grip is saving my hand right now. After bowling for a while now I've had blood under my ring finger nail, and serious pain sometimes after release. Turns out my span was super stretched and my finger nails were pressed to the backs of the holes. I've shortened my span, much more relaxed, now my fingers are more flush, although I consider my span to be normal now, not necessarily relaxed. Pain is slowly going away.
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Re: streched span vs relaxed span
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2006, 10:39:12 AM »
Hex017 -- If the stretched span has damaged your joints you may need extra reverse pitch on your finger holes.  Have a good fitter check your finger flexibility.  --  JohnP

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Re: streched span vs relaxed span
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2006, 04:35:29 PM »
Just a few things not previously mentioned:

If you are thinking about going to more forward pitch on your thumb (reasons for doing this are outside the scope of this discussion) a shorter "relaxed" span is often needed to release the ball properly.

Stretched versus relaxed span is often a matter of simple preference.  I've met top-notch bowlers who have used a relaxed span and top-notch bowlers that have used a stretched span.

25 years ago when lifting/hitting up on the ball to create entry angle, I preferred a stretched span because it created helped create more tension on the fingertips right off the bat and helped the fingers stay in the ball a bit longer to create a gentle loft.

Over the past few years I've changed to the cup-and-collapse style release and a relaxed span.  I feel the relaxed span allows me to get out of the ball more cleanly at the release point and allows my hand to be relaxed through the entire shot.
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Re: streched span vs relaxed span
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2006, 03:39:21 AM »
streched span can do some damaged span to your elbow. Relaxed span all the way
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Re: streched span vs relaxed span
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2006, 04:26:23 AM »
I've known people who have torn tendons in their wrist because of the strain of a stretched span. There really no bowlers on tour that use a streched span now. There is no gain only pain.
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Re: streched span vs relaxed span
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2006, 04:48:41 AM »
You can tell if your span is too long by placing your thumb in the ball and laying your hand across the finger holes, the leading edge of the finger hole should be half way between the first and second joint.

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Re: streched span vs relaxed span
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2006, 07:29:10 AM »
We run thru this topic from time to time.

JohnP, CoachJim both described how to measure relaxed versus stretched. Of course there are a variety of extremes.

A relaxed span is much easier on the hand. I have never seen an injury as a result of using a relaxed span but I have seen hundreds from using stretched spans.

Almost every professional bowler uses a relaxed span and this has been true for years. They simply cannot afford the wear and tear on the hand that comes from using a stretched span.

The relaxed fit also allows you to use a much more relaxed arm swing and less hit that is needed in the modern game.

And finally I believe the grip gives more options in your release.    

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Re: streched span vs relaxed span
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2006, 08:57:47 AM »
I just saw this post...wouldn't some considere Walter Ray Williams span...every bit of a full fingertip?

Looks it to me.

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Re: streched span vs relaxed span
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2006, 01:21:01 PM »
from what i have seen in the forums
a streched grip causes a lost in revolutions
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