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Zanatos1914

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Striking Question
« on: January 06, 2014, 06:02:25 PM »
I have been watching this PBA's and I really dont understand how they can strike so frequently... Dont get me wrong bowling a perfect game isnt what these machine are doing but more... Especially when you have serveral on a pair how do you keep it up because oil moves to different places and other variables...

This might sound like a stupid question but dang -- These dudes are striking about 95% of the time... That is crazy..... They strike so often it becomes a battle of adjustments... WTH...

 

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Re: Striking Question
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2014, 06:18:43 PM »
If You could hit your mark as often as they do, You would also strike as often as they do.  You have to realize, this is ALL they do!  If they miss their target by a Half of an inch, they consider that a huge miss.  I have listened to Pro's talking casually about their games, and they talk about one quarter of a board as their target. Especially the older Pro's.
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Re: Striking Question
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2014, 07:27:22 PM »
If You could hit your mark as often as they do, You would also strike as often as they do.

With all due respect, Strikeking, tournament championship bowling cannot be as easy as "hitting your mark." If I hit my mark EVERY time, I would still be light years behind guys like Sean Rash, Belmo, Chris Barnes, PDW, etc. I am a league house mouse who enjoys bowling and also watching bowling. I have a great deal of respect for the posters on Ball Reviews who tackle the tough sport patterns. You cannot reduce the sport to simply "hitting your mark."
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Re: Striking Question
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2014, 07:36:41 PM »
If You could hit your mark as often as they do, You would also strike as often as they do.

With all due respect, Strikeking, tournament championship bowling cannot be as easy as "hitting your mark." If I hit my mark EVERY time, I would still be light years behind guys like Sean Rash, Belmo, Chris Barnes, PDW, etc. I am a league house mouse who enjoys bowling and also watching bowling. I have a great deal of respect for the posters on Ball Reviews who tackle the tough sport patterns. You cannot reduce the sport to simply "hitting your mark."

I agree, especially with today's game. If this were, say, 20 - 25 years ago, then that may be right. that's mainly because of oil getting pushed down the lane, or pushed left, because of the performance of the balls at that time..

Not so today, when balls will actually pick up the oil rather than cause carrydown.

Good example would be to watch the Shark Championship final match between Jack Jurek and Mike Fagan from a few years ago. It came down to making the right adjustments (and the winning ones for Jurek, in that case), because in that match, he threw the same ball consistently, hit his mark consistently, and in one frame on the left lane, went flush. The next time over there, same mark, left the big four. why? his consistent mark and target was right in Fagan's and Malott's hook spot, causing his to check up earlier and go through the nose.

So while it is about hitting your mark, that isn't the be all/end all, because you also need to know when to move, make the right adjustment, and be firm/confident in that decision. That's what makes them that good, because they aren't fishing for shots.

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Re: Striking Question
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2014, 09:10:10 AM »
I think I had an "Ah Ha!" moment this weekend.  I was throwing my normal speed about 14-14.5 at the pins.  Had 3X 4Splits and 2 chops for a 134 first game.  Not a happy camper with a 226 entering average.  My ball was picking up at different times even though I was hitting my mark.  I decided to pick up my speed to around 16 and my breakpoint consistency was greatly improved to a 237 my last game.  I have slowed my ball down to be more accurate, but that kills me on sport shots.  Most of the Pros throw the ball 18-20 and the 230+ average bowlers in my house all throw it over 16.  I am going to pick my ball speed up on league tonight and see if it makes a difference.
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Re: Striking Question
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2014, 01:11:49 PM »
Thanks for the response.... Like what was stated - I understand the importance of hitting your mark and having the same release but these dudes are extra...  And personally I beleive they are playing area and their ball is helping them...  Must be nice to have balls drilled for specific condition...

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Re: Striking Question
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2014, 01:35:59 PM »
Chris Barnes won the Lucas Oil Wolf tournament last year (I am pretty sure that this was the tournament) with a major adjustment. The lanes were very dry. On the right side, Barnes began his approach on the far left in front of the ball return. So he used about 1/3 (or less) of the approach without messing up his timing and still generated enough power to win the tournament. Maybe I am impressed too easily, but I was amazed at what Barnes did.

The touring professionals and top players on Ball Reviews have a tool bag full of adjustments that most league bowlers cannot come close to matching---far beyond having a large arsenal.
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Re: Striking Question
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2014, 02:26:11 PM »
The top guys on the PBA Tour aren't the best because they have an unlimited supply of balls.  They have an unlimited supply of balls because they are the best.  If you believe otherwise you are being foolish.

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Re: Striking Question
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2014, 02:51:14 PM »
Bob Benoit lives here in town, he has exactly 3 balls he throws and hasn't drilled a ball since the C-System 2.5, which he carries along with a Command Zone Arc and a 15 year old White Dot.  The guy is 56 or 57.  A couple years ago I saw him shoot 800 with the White Dot.  He shot 855 that year too with the C-System.  The guy never practices, bowls 1-2 leagues a year, and just city and state for tournaments, and doesn't really put much effort into it, just does it for fun.  IF he decides to pay attention, the guy is laser accurate and WILL destroy you with plastic. 

The statement below is exactly correct, those guys are ridiculously good. 

The top guys on the PBA Tour aren't the best because they have an unlimited supply of balls.  They have an unlimited supply of balls because they are the best.  If you believe otherwise you are being foolish.
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Re: Striking Question
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2014, 03:23:26 PM »
When Bob Benoit lived here in Dallas while back, I was just getting into bowling,me and some friends would go bowling after work he would talk to us and would give us tips. He would roll one ball dead straight and on the same lane with the same ball hook it 20 boards he is very versatile.
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Re: Striking Question
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2014, 07:46:22 AM »
The reason why professionals are so good is because they do all the things Leagues bowlers won't listen to. The really good ones don't muscle the ball, have great timing (getting the ball into the backswing early), hit target, make spares,  make adjustments, and know that when the ball doesn't strike,...it's them and not the ball,... or the pins....
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