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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: bowler100 on May 28, 2018, 04:46:24 PM
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I practice on a lot on slick, flat sport patterns and the lane surface at this particular center is slick. Which bowling ball made in the last couple of years will have the strongest traction on an oil spill?
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i would say the storm sure lock for me
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In my eyes the strongest ball on the market right now is the Hammer Rip'd Solid
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Kingpin Max is a very strong ball as well.
In addition, make sure you have the right surface finish. 500 grit or 1000 grit Abralon should provide some additional teeth to cut through the heavy stuff!
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Yeah, I definitely will be using very low grits (green scotch brite) on my next purchase. Has anyone tried multiple heavy oil balls across different manufacturers to form something of a consensus?
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Get yourself a Inception DCT pearl and throw some surface on it. Boom.
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For current(ish) balls on the market right now? The Rip'd Solid is probably the best bet. Kingpin Maxx and Pitbull Bite are up there too.
In the near future I imagine the Katana Dragon and Intense Fire will be duking it out for the honor of that title.
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Get yourself a Inception DCT pearl and throw some surface on it. Boom.
Not the (regular?) Inception DCT? Was wondering about that ball. Seemed to have a lot of fanfare before release but not a ton after. The DCT Pearl definitely has more info out there.
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Get yourself a Inception DCT pearl and throw some surface on it. Boom.
Not the (regular?) Inception DCT? Was wondering about that ball. Seemed to have a lot of fanfare before release but not a ton after. The DCT Pearl definitely has more info out there.
I personally like pearls with surface for heavier patterns. Of course, if I don't need much response downlane, I'll go to a solid with surface.
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Sure Lock and Rip’d solid are at the top of the heap. Alias isn’t bad with a lot of surface either.
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Get yourself a Inception DCT pearl and throw some surface on it. Boom.
Not the (regular?) Inception DCT? Was wondering about that ball. Seemed to have a lot of fanfare before release but not a ton after. The DCT Pearl definitely has more info out there.
Regular DCT is fine, but it's very slow off friction.
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Get yourself a Inception DCT pearl and throw some surface on it. Boom.
Not the (regular?) Inception DCT? Was wondering about that ball. Seemed to have a lot of fanfare before release but not a ton after. The DCT Pearl definitely has more info out there.
Regular DCT is fine, but it's very slow off friction.
That's perfectly okay, I am looking for pure traction in oil. I am not worried about it being slow off the dry. That is actually a benefit if anything.
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Not sure there are many who have thrown all of the oilers on a side by side basis. About the best you can do is find a site that does a number of reviews on the same conditions. I personally like RJ at Lakeside Reviews. You can hear their assessments and see where they are playing with each and the type of reaction.
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I need a refresher on this. I thought no ball would hook in oil, that you had to have friction (dry) and wanted a quicker response on a longer pattern. I guess the balls are so strong now that is no longer true?
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I need a refresher on this. I thought no ball would hook in oil, that you had to have friction (dry) and wanted a quicker response on a longer pattern. I guess the balls are so strong now that is no longer true?
Having thrown a NIB 1998 Ebonite Riptide recently on this year's flooded out Masters oil pattern a few weeks ago, I would have to disagree that no ball could hook in oil. That ball could barely cleared the first 30-35 feet on fresh 30 ml pattern on a Brunswick surface! On a medium house shot, the Riptide does not even clear the arrows! That ball is STILL overkill on all but the heaviest of patterns even today. Imagine people 20 years ago throwing a Riptide in league. Yikes! :o
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BTM rated the Radical Cash as the strongest ball they have reviewed. However, it was recently discontinued. You might be able to find one on the internet somewhere.
As for current balls available, the Storm Sure Lock and the Radical More Cash would be considered the strongest in oil.
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You can make anything hook in oil if you put enough surface on it. The question is why would you want to. All it accomplishes is taking away the ablity to square up while still burning off the energy to make a strong move to the pocket .
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I would say that is a fair assessment... There needs to be friction somewhere to hook.
I think instead of "hook in oil" the phrase would be "suitable for higher oil volume patterns."
Now whether you create friction by having a strong/fast response cover or embedding ceramic chunks into the cover... Pick your poison.
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You can make anything hook in oil if you put enough surface on it. The question is why would you want to. All it accomplishes is taking away the ablity to square up while still burning off the energy to make a strong move to the pocket .
If the pattern is slick and flat enough in the front part of the lane. It makes it EASIER to square up on the outside and play a small belly out to the gutter because the ball will pick up soon enough where it will not fall off into the channel on misses outside. I have enough axis rotation where I can get the ball to continue and hit. It is a risky strategy but I have shot uncharacteristically big scores (250s+) on certain tournaments that used heavier and flatter sport patterns.
If the pattern is very long (46+ feet) but not very heavy, then a 2000 grit on a quick response cover (such as the Brunswick Tenacity) is far and away your best bet along with using the 10 board as your gutter.
Correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't a Sure Lock traction in oil similarly to the old particles balls (with the same grit) but have a little stronger response to friction?
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I have a more cash and to be perfectly honest its hard to recommend that ball. I and several others on here haven't been massively impressed with how that ball behaves even in pretty heavy oil. Ball just flat either burns up and hits light if there is any friction at all or skids too long and barely moves in the oil. Tried all kinds of surface and only time I found a decent match up with that ball is with a think coat of turtle wax on THS and even then nothing to special. Recent ball that hooks the most for me in oil is my green Quantum and would recommend that over the More Cash for sure (haven't tried the Kingpins or Pitbulls and my Fix is drilled fairly mild symmetric so hard to judge it on true heavy oil). The other ones I have had good luck with is my epoxy ball on heavy shorter oil and my Visionary Raven particle ball with surface on longer heavy oil but those are discontinued now. Lot of people on here are also raving about that new Rotogrip Idol on heavy oil but haven't seen it myself yet.
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I need a refresher on this. I thought no ball would hook in oil, that you had to have friction (dry) and wanted a quicker response on a longer pattern. I guess the balls are so strong now that is no longer true?
Having thrown a NIB 1998 Ebonite Riptide recently on this year's flooded out Masters oil pattern a few weeks ago, I would have to disagree that no ball could hook in oil. That ball could barely cleared the first 30-35 feet on fresh 30 ml pattern on a Brunswick surface! On a medium house shot, the Riptide does not even clear the arrows! That ball is STILL overkill on all but the heaviest of patterns even today. Imagine people 20 years ago throwing a Riptide in league. Yikes! :o
I can 2nd that about the riptide..I picked up a used one since the season began and that has to be just about the grabbiest cover I have ever seen---this coming from a guy who has had 2 midnight scorchers for years and 2 tombstones the past year or so. With my very low rev rate particles work best for me on oiler tournament patterns.
Brad
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I need a refresher on this. I thought no ball would hook in oil, that you had to have friction (dry) and wanted a quicker response on a longer pattern. I guess the balls are so strong now that is no longer true?
Having thrown a NIB 1998 Ebonite Riptide recently on this year's flooded out Masters oil pattern a few weeks ago, I would have to disagree that no ball could hook in oil. That ball could barely cleared the first 30-35 feet on fresh 30 ml pattern on a Brunswick surface! On a medium house shot, the Riptide does not even clear the arrows! That ball is STILL overkill on all but the heaviest of patterns even today. Imagine people 20 years ago throwing a Riptide in league. Yikes! :o
I can 2nd that about the riptide..I picked up a used one since the season began and that has to be just about the grabbiest cover I have ever seen---this coming from a guy who has had 2 midnight scorchers for years and 2 tombstones the past year or so. With my very low rev rate particles work best for me on oiler tournament patterns.
Brad
Brad did you ever throw an AMB Centaur Particle or Burgundy Particle Gryphon? Those balls looked like they would hook on nearly any amount of oil as well.
(edit: actually saw this the other day and was like wow, bet this one is still a monster today as well - http://www.bowlwithbrunswick.com/downloads/info-sheets/Monster_Swamp.pdf)
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I need a refresher on this. I thought no ball would hook in oil, that you had to have friction (dry) and wanted a quicker response on a longer pattern. I guess the balls are so strong now that is no longer true?
Having thrown a NIB 1998 Ebonite Riptide recently on this year's flooded out Masters oil pattern a few weeks ago, I would have to disagree that no ball could hook in oil. That ball could barely cleared the first 30-35 feet on fresh 30 ml pattern on a Brunswick surface! On a medium house shot, the Riptide does not even clear the arrows! That ball is STILL overkill on all but the heaviest of patterns even today. Imagine people 20 years ago throwing a Riptide in league. Yikes! :o
I can 2nd that about the riptide..I picked up a used one since the season began and that has to be just about the grabbiest cover I have ever seen---this coming from a guy who has had 2 midnight scorchers for years and 2 tombstones the past year or so. With my very low rev rate particles work best for me on oiler tournament patterns.
Brad
Do you still have both the Scorcher and the Tomestone, Brad? I love testing particle balls out of mere curiosity. I was a little boy during the particle era of the early 2000's.
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Yes I still have the tombstone(s) and the scorchers and I will never part with the scorchers or the tombstones, those are keepers for heavy oil. Also to the question of the amb particle, I do have one. The amb can cover more boards than the scorcher, but the scorcher will tend to want to make it's move much sooner than the amb because of the non-reactive cover of the scorcher---which for me is a great assest on certain patterns that have a severe out of bounds. Never tried a burgundy gryphon so can't comment there.
Brad
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I threw the Ripd and Ripd solid at a demo days a few months ago. the Ripd is a hyrbrid that reads in the oil, designed to read in the midlane, it's plenty strong. Then I go to the solid, good gawd, I have no where to even use that monster.
Until Minors in Syracuse. definitely could have used it there.
Had a 2000 grit middle asymmetric layout on am Alias and it wasn't enough ball IMO
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It's supposed to be the new katana dragon, outdoijg the guru master and the cashes on the btm hook scale.
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My Riptide was enough of a hot mess for me to stay away from strong particle covers for YEARS. Thing hooked in my bag dull and did nothing when shiny.
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My Riptide was enough of a hot mess for me to stay away from strong particle covers for YEARS. Thing hooked in my bag dull and did nothing when shiny.
Particle balls don't match up with me in general at all (have a real problem with roll out). Worst ball I have ever owned is a Storm Shift. Even the light load in my Visionary Raven makes it a heavy oil ball only and even then with less surface.
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Yes I still have the tombstone(s) and the scorchers and I will never part with the scorchers or the tombstones, those are keepers for heavy oil. Also to the question of the amb particle, I do have one. The amb can cover more boards than the scorcher, but the scorcher will tend to want to make it's move much sooner than the amb because of the non-reactive cover of the scorcher---which for me is a great assest on certain patterns that have a severe out of bounds. Never tried a burgundy gryphon so can't comment there.
Brad
So, Brad, how does your Riptide compare to the Tombstone and the Scorcher as far as oil-handling ability or are they pretty much the same? Does the urethane base on the Scorcher distinguish it from the Riptide and Tomestone at all as far as the length of the hook phase? Chances are I may never get a hold of the Tombstone or Scorcher so I thought I might ask.
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On the conditions I use them on, I find a Tombstone with a similar drilling to a Scorcher to react almost the same...the riptide I haven't had opportunity to use it a lot since I got it..the few events I bought it to, I severely underestimated how grabby the particles are in that ball and had the surface at too low of grit. The last event I did was a 40 ft pattern about 29 ml of oil and even at 1500 grit was quite grabby. But out of the three I prefer the Scorcher(I do have my high game ever with that ball).
Brad