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RyanRPS

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Strongest pearl on the market...
« on: August 05, 2007, 04:40:03 AM »
What in the members' opinions is the strongest pearl (in terms of gripping the lane where it is dry) on the market today?  Which ball will cover the most boards in the shortest backend?

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Re: Strongest pearl on the market...
« Reply #31 on: August 06, 2007, 01:43:51 PM »
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notclay based on your responses to RotoRPS's question you are obviously not familiar with him and have not seen any of his videos.
The reason he gave the LOL is because he is far from a beginner and already knows the things that you stated.
Ryan is a very skilled bowler that can play any part of the lane and is simply seeking other peoples opinion on different pearls.
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He may be a skilled bowler, and that's great. I, and others here, question the logic of using a pearl ball on a "long" pattern, as he calls it.  That's all.

The polite thing to do is clarify the question, or say thank you for the thoughtful reply, what I am looking for is...

To simply start a post with the dreaded "lol" was rude in my opinion.  I was trying to answer HIS question.  

I'm okay, sometimes things are misunderstood, and I don't hold a grudge longer than about an hour.


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Re: Strongest pearl on the market...
« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2007, 03:12:49 PM »
I'm not going to enter into the debate here, but for what you're asking for Ryan, I'm thinking the Paradigm Domination is probably the best choice out of the bowling balls that I've thrown. The Black Widow Pearl is probably another good option, but since I haven't thrown one I can't say for sure. (seen one in action though and it was impressive).  I know you said long oil, but what kind of volume are you talking about.  It makes sense to me to use a Pearl if the volume is low to keep the heads from burning up too quick.  However, if the volume is heavy, why not use the Battle or Quest.

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RyanRPS

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Re: Strongest pearl on the market...
« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2007, 03:23:33 PM »
NotClay… Sorry if you (or anyone else) was offended by my response!  I just think it’s often useful to look at someones profile before assuming they don’t know what they are talking about…

Anyway… to answer some of your questions…

A long pattern (typically in the 45ft region), as used in most world class international tournaments these days (Europeans Champions Cup, World Championships, European Championship, Commonwealth Championships, etc) is, for a start, not necessarily a heavy oil pattern… it’s a long pattern.

In the past, I would have been with most of you on your thoughts, i.e. using a dull particle ball to start up early and cover some boards in the oil.  In the 2006 ECC in Latvia I used an Epic Battle and was 7th on the long pattern, but noticed a lot of the guys at the very top were using shiny balls (couldn’t tell if they were pearl or what…) and wondered how they were getting move movement than me, especially since I’m not lacking in the hand department (watch the videos on the Roto Grip website - I’m the high rev player).

However, recently I sought advice from Paul Moor, the European Ranking Tour winner for the last 3 years in a row, on playing the long and short patterns, as I will be facing them again at this years ECC in Luxembourg.  He advides me to go for a strong pearl, and having explained why, I thought it sounded reasonable…the reason is that pretty much nothing is going to grip a lot in the oil, and you have a very short  back end.  Using a dull ball may get a bit of movement in the oil, but won’t finish as well, and may actually burn up if its too aggressive… using a pearl ball, or a ball that will grip strong in the dry, will slide straight to the back end, then hook… You will be able to get better angle to the pocket this way, and have better chance of carrying.

I discussed this theory further with other top European bowlers, who agreed it was the best one to go with…

So, I decided to try the theory out, and this past Saturday was my first chance to try.  I was playing on a 45ft pattern, with a decent amount of oil throughout the length of the pattern.  I tried several balls during practice, and virtually every pearl ball I had hooked more than the dull balls I had.  The strongest particle ball I had with me did very little in the oil, and nothing on the back end.  The pearls skidded to the back end, then hooked hard.

So in summing, this is why I am seeking the strongest pearl known to man lol

On the pattern at the weekend I ended up using a Morich Awesome Revs, however I also tried the Paradigm Domination, the Horizon pearl and the Epic Quest.

So… finally… Scott33, I have far from no hand… but if you havnt got something that going to motor on the back end, trying to control the break point on a long pattern is pretty pointless…. Not clay.. no offence, but it would seem you know little about these sorts of conditions, as the advice you are giving is to go against that of the best bowlers in Europe… strikestriketapped… my above explanation should answer your question… Mainzer, yes the Revs was very good and I scored pretty well with it… Chawk15… I don’t think the pattern has been announced yet, but they are usually not flooded, however not much moves in the oil in the patterns ive played, until the lanes have been burned up a little… Battle was good for me in OZ and Latvia, but I’m looking for that little something extra…

Cheers for the responses guys

Ryan

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Re: Strongest pearl on the market...
« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2007, 03:33:39 PM »
Black widow pearl on a lighter oil pattern,  and the fury pearl on a med. oil pattern. and the nvs on a med. to heavy oil pattern.
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Re: Strongest pearl on the market...
« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2007, 03:39:47 PM »
Yeah RotoRPS, I see what you are saying.  On the 44 foot Shark pattern in my PBA Experience league, at first I tried a dulled up Special Agent, thinking I'd need to get the ball to move early in all the oil.  That didn't work out too well.  I had my best look at the pocket throwing a Total NV sanded down to 1500, but even then it was burning up in the heads by the 3rd and 4th games!

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Re: Strongest pearl on the market...
« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2007, 03:49:46 PM »
Before I suggest anything, let me say -- I agree with Paul Moor and the rest, Ryan. A strong, strong pearl cover can give you that extra bit of entry angle, etc. needed to carry and rise above the rest. It takes away from your "miss" room -- unlike a strong particle would -- but it gives you better carry, a stronger move, etc. As I know that you can repeat shots and hit your mark over and over again, I have no problem with the idea of using such a ball.

If you are considering the Shift, I would look into the NVS as well. It has the potential for huge backend, provided that you use it on the right condition. Longer oil, with clean backends, would be that condition. Otherwise, the ball is so strong that it loses energy and arcs more into the pins.

IMO, the Black Widow Pearl and the Domination are about equal in terms of strength. Not many pearls get stronger, though, which leads me to a question...

Have you tried a polished solid, with a super strong core, drilled with the pin closer to your VAL? What about an SD-73 Classic at 4000 abralon with a pin-PAP distance of 4.5-5, and a pin-VAL distance of 1-1.5? On longer patterns, my SD-73 will make up a huge amount of ground in the back. After the lanes transition, it mellows into a hard arc, but for a while...wow, it's bloody sick. Also, and I don't have one yet, but do I have the down low on it, The Break, by 900 Global, has the potential for mammoth change of direction. Then again, you might have trouble getting one across the pond...we don't even have them yet...

After that, though, I don't know. The Track Kinetic is supposed to be a backend monster, but the lower differential makes me worried when you consider the length of the pattern. A higher differential would probably be better, which leaves you with: Shift, NVS, BWP (Pearls or Pearl Particles) or SD-73, Odyssey, The Break (solids + polish).

Sorry I can't help more...

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Re: Strongest pearl on the market...
« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2007, 03:59:27 PM »
I have one already, and it is quite strong...

I'm basically looking for the ball that will make the biggest move on the back end, assuming absolutely no movement in the oil (ie it would need to flare onto clean ball for the back end)...[/quote]

A ball like that would be very over/under, except when its fresh oil on the lane.
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Re: Strongest pearl on the market...
« Reply #38 on: August 07, 2007, 04:10:17 PM »
RevTrex... Yes i've used the SD73 in practice on the long, and it works well.. in squad training on a long pattern i had the highest series with 730something when the next highest was in the 660 range... i will be taking an SD73 with me along with whatever Pearl i choose...

I’d already been advised that the Total NV and the Shift were good on the long, so had considered both, along with the NVS, though have not seen it in action yet…

Azus… in the tournament where you play on these patterns it is fresh oil before all squads, and apart from a spot burning up a little after a few games, the lanes usually stay pretty consistent… generally everyone starts in around 3rd arrow playing tight, then move in a bit more after a couple of games…

Ryan

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Re: Strongest pearl on the market...
« Reply #39 on: August 07, 2007, 04:29:41 PM »
Believe it or not, the Blue/Silver Ogre is extremely strong on the backend.  I just drilled one and I had to cover more boards to account for its backend than using my Total NV and Crimson Executioner.  I used my Pearl Ogre at OOB with the rev/flip drill.  Because of the higher rg and lower diff, the Bluver Ogre is a prototypical length and flip off the dry than just about anything I have ever used.
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Re: Strongest pearl on the market...
« Reply #40 on: August 07, 2007, 05:05:41 PM »
RotoRPS,

No problem here.  I thought you were talking about a longer pattern with heavier oil, that's all.  Many of us have tried the Shark pattern, which is longer and heavier than most anything we'll see very often.

With it not being heavy oil I cannot disagree with what you're looking for. Good luck and hopefully you'll find the right one.



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Re: Strongest pearl on the market...
« Reply #41 on: August 07, 2007, 05:27:24 PM »
In reply to two previous threads about "L/LM" equipment ... the Terminator is a polished particle ball and the Black Pearl is a particle pearl, so they don't meet the post criteria; that being said, the Masterpiece is awfully strong for a pearl reactive ball ... not the biggest backend hook off the dry, but VERY strong overall.
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Re: Strongest pearl on the market...
« Reply #42 on: August 07, 2007, 10:56:54 PM »
I haven't thrown the Fury Pearl YET, but I have had success with the Total Inferno on the long patterns. Pin below fingers with a 2000 abralon finish. It is a pearl reactive with an additive. The particles are too small for the ball to be considered a particle pearl.


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Re: Strongest pearl on the market...
« Reply #43 on: August 07, 2007, 10:59:23 PM »
Angular One and a close second is the NVS....If you can get your hands on one, a Hammer Big Deal
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Re: Strongest pearl on the market...
« Reply #44 on: August 07, 2007, 11:03:03 PM »
For me it was the mystic , that balls moves

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Re: Strongest pearl on the market...
« Reply #45 on: August 08, 2007, 03:00:05 AM »
Thanks for all the great suggestions... keep 'em coming if there are any more!

Some on the shortlist are another Domination (have one already), Shift, Total NV, NVS, and Fury Pearl…

Justdale, I already have a mystic and for me I prefer this ball highly polished and “mellowed” fo playing the control shot on medium patterns.. I had considered a new one for the long though because it makes a shocking movement on the back end when its new lol

Ryan