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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: TeeP Nade on August 31, 2017, 10:59:11 PM
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Any company not named hammer haha looking for the strongest sym ball. My ball speed/rev rate ratio makes me Hate every solid aysym I've ever owned. Just to name a few I've owned, og track paradox, hammer scandal, hammer dark legend solid, roto grip no rules exist. I own a Lindon below ring finger IQ tour edition which for me dosnt seem to exit the pattern as well as I'd like, which at pin below ring puts it at around 3.75 from pap dual angle layout wise. I know aysym tend to exit the end of the patern harder but I've NEVER had success with an aysym. Pearl aysym seem to go to long, and when I change surface they don't got that pearl pop, and don't drive through pins. Seems like my iq is best for heavy even though it shouldn't seeing as it's diff isn't high. I know cover has more to do with it, but just looking at something much more then the iq
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AMF Pure according to BTM. Respect Solid, Forest Green Quantum, Chronic Paranoia, Haywire after that (Scandal too (not asym) but respecting (not really) your Hammer butt hurt). Could always double down and get the most asymmetric ball available (maybe strongest too) the Lane #1 Difference. Maybe it would be so asymmetric it would fix your problem lol.
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Hammer Scandal is the strongest symmetric ball. Phase 2, Impulse Solid, Fanatic SS, AMF Pure if you can find it. Technically the Radical Fix.
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For me, it's the roto grip show off
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Another one to consider is the RG Daredevil Trick. If you have enough oil this ball is $$. I too prefer symmetrics over asymmetrical equip. If the Shot is Medium and up may consider the Marvel Pearl. Definitely one of the strongest pearls I have thrown. Good Luck :)
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The Brunswick Fanatic SS (Strong Symmetrical) would fit perfectly. The Fanatic SS is my favorite ball for medium to heavier oil patterns that are 37-43 feet in length. The Fanatic SS will give you that stronger midlane roll with continuation.
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Thanks for all the balls guys! I'll look em up
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AMF Pure according to BTM. Respect Solid, Quantum Forest Green, Chronic Paranoid, Haywire after that (Scandal too (not asym) but respecting (not really) your Hammer butt hurt). Could always double down and get the most asymmetric ball available (maybe strongest too) the Lane #1 Difference. Maybe it would be so asymmetric it would fix your problem lol.
... And yes I'm hammer butt hurt I've owned enough crap hammer stuff for me To say I refuse to buy hammer lol
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Edge to a (for now) functioning market like bowling balls is customer has choices on how to spend their hard earned money. Just pulling your chain.
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Any company not named hammer haha looking for the strongest sym ball. My ball speed/rev rate ratio makes me Hate every solid aysym I've ever owned. Just to name a few I've owned, og track paradox, hammer scandal, hammer dark legend solid, roto grip no rules exist. I own a Lindon below ring finger IQ tour edition which for me dosnt seem to exit the pattern as well as I'd like, which at pin below ring puts it at around 3.75 from pap dual angle layout wise. I know aysym tend to exit the end of the patern harder but I've NEVER had success with an aysym. Pearl aysym seem to go to long, and when I change surface they don't got that pearl pop, and don't drive through pins. Seems like my iq is best for heavy even though it shouldn't seeing as it's diff isn't high. I know cover has more to do with it, but just looking at something much more then the iq
Are you looking for a strong symmetrical for a house shot, sport shot, or both? The recommendation will be different for each.
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Are you looking for the earliest rolling heavy oil handling ball or the biggest backend ball?
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My newly aquired Storm Street Fight with the r4s cover caught me by surprise at just how strong of a ball it is and how much it wants to back end. Might consider one and can be had new fairly inexpensive.
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Are you looking for the earliest rolling heavy oil handling ball or the biggest backend ball?
It's funny how bowlers' never can differentiate the two different meanings/versions of this.
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for me the ridiculous is vert strong hits very hard
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Motiv Chronic Paranoia
Forest Green Quantum
Columbia Impulse Solid
All very strong symmetric balls that you can drill up to hook a ton. The Forest Green Quantum will give you the most down lane.
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Gotta be the scandal
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Phaze 2
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Going off of the current lineup options from the bigger brands:
Covert Ops, Night Hawk Stealth SE, Fanatic SS, Freakshow Solid, The Fix (symmetrical drilling), Impulse Solid, Game Breaker 2 Phenom (or just Game Breaker 2), Kinetic Ruby, Dare Devil Trick, Phaze II, and Chronic Paranoia.
So everybody has something to fit that criteria. Mostly at least, not sure if the Covert Ops, Impulse Solid, Kinetic Ruby, and Chronic Paranoia really contend for being the strongest symmetrical balls out there.
If I had to pick one... probably the Fix. I think that has the strongest coverstock out of that group.
It would be the Scandal though with Hammer included. If that didn't work for you it might have just been too strong. I know a local EBI staffer that didn't like his because the asymmetrical gave him a better look in heavy oil and otherwise it wasn't/isn't usable.
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Covert Ops is assymetrical.
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Covert Ops is assymetrical.
As is every ball with holes drilled in it...
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Covert Ops is assymetrical.
As is every ball with holes drilled in it...
And here we go...
OP, I think you have more than enough good options posted here. Is there anything specific you wanted. Might make your decision process a bit easier.
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whoops i didnt read the NO HAMMER products part! hahaha
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well then. i think everyone else has evenly matched strong symmetical peices
if i had to pic unbiasedly id go with a green quantum, phaze 2, impulse solid just cause its solid red, or dd trick
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Discount recommendation is the new roto show off
No rules cover on a light bulby core
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Covert Ops is assymetrical.
I knew this. I swear it. ;D
So 900 Global doesn't have anything that fits the bill here. Interesting.
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Covert Ops is assymetrical.
I knew this. I swear it. ;D
So 900 Global doesn't have anything that fits the bill here. Interesting.
Yeah... Their big hooking symmetricals have been less than stellar as of late. I didn't like my Moxie, Respect Solid looked bad, Truth looked bad (pearl looks good though), so the biggest hooking symmetrical they've had has been the Stealth, which mine hasn't even been drilled yet, because I have an Incinerate in my bag and honestly, that ball is stupid nuts. Can barely use it a game. So if Global does what they've historically done in the past, next years high end will be symmetrical. #waitandsee
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Op,
Are you gonna answer the question as to the type of 'Strong' that your looking for or not?? You've been giving more than enough ball suggestions here.
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sorry guys, just now looking at this.havent been on here in a while.
but to answer the question, looking for sym ball that can handle the most/alot of oil on sport. i seem to always have trouble getting a ball to face up on the longer shots, but im not a fan on aysyms (maybe bc i havent found a go to layout for them yet)
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Take a Brunswick Fanatic (not Fanatic SS) and hit it with 1000 grit no shine and you will have one of the strongest smoothest balls in any amount of oil you have ever thrown
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sorry guys, just now looking at this.havent been on here in a while.
but to answer the question, looking for sym ball that can handle the most/alot of oil on sport. i seem to always have trouble getting a ball to face up on the longer shots, but im not a fan on aysyms (maybe bc i havent found a go to layout for them yet)
Longer patterns are different from heavy oil. Longer patterns you want a ball with a quicker response to friction.
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Longer patterns are different from heavy oil. Longer patterns you want a ball with a quicker response to friction.
Yeah. TeeP, think of it this way: the earlier a ball starts the earlier the energy is spent. This is going to happen with the "strongest" coverstocks for asymmetrical and symmetrical cores. On longer patterns energy would be spent early but with still oil to go through down the lane.
Using a ball that isn't as early, but still strong, gives it more to work with when it comes off the end of the pattern. So for example instead of looking for something like the Dare Devil Trick, go for the Dare Devil. Truth Pearl and Quantum Fire Pearl (or maybe Classic Black) also comes to mind.
This is actually a bit harder to recommend for since ideally I like strong asymmetrical pearl/polish options for longer patterns. There aren't a ton of strong pearl/polished symmetrical balls ideal for longer patterns either. Which might be a good thing in terms of reducing options to pick from. ;D
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>There aren't a ton of strong pearl/polished symmetrical balls ideal for longer patterns either
Especially since he refuses to even consider the Scandal Pearl which checks that box for me (though I usually remove the polish especially for heavier oil). Not a Storm fan for example but didn't stop me from getting the Hy-Road because having the perfect versatile benchmark for my style was more important than brand loyalty especially since nobody gives me freebies. The ball is more important than the brand.
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Generally longer sport patterns still have a decent amount of oil where stronger balls can be used. If you have a longer format 5-6+ games then mid range balls come into play.
The symmetric or "more symmetric" options would be: Truth Pearl, Scandal Pearl, Phobia, Tyrant Pearl, True Nirvana, Quick Fix.
Asymmetric options: No Rules Pearl, Inception Pearl, Mako Attack, BW Gold, Gauntlet, Maverick Pearl, Verdict.
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thanks for all the imput guys. i'll keep all this in mind! you were all helpful
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keep in mind it all starts with the bowler. I just watched the PWBA last night where they bowled on a 51 foot low volume pattern and they all used very strong balls with rough surface prep. the bowler's that had the best results released up the back of the ball. the bowlers who didn't do well released off the side with more axis rotation. there balls hooked in the heads and when they adjusted in a few boards never sniffed the pocket.
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keep in mind it all starts with the bowler. I just watched the PWBA last night where they bowled on a 51 foot low volume pattern and they all used very strong balls with rough surface prep. the bowler's that had the best results released up the back of the ball. the bowlers who didn't do well released off the side with more axis rotation. there balls hooked in the heads and when they adjusted in a few boards never sniffed the pocket.
Which event? I havent seen a pattern that length. A rough surface blows up the heads which can put you in a tough spot on longer patterns
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keep in mind it all starts with the bowler. I just watched the PWBA last night where they bowled on a 51 foot low volume pattern and they all used very strong balls with rough surface prep. the bowler's that had the best results released up the back of the ball. the bowlers who didn't do well released off the side with more axis rotation. there balls hooked in the heads and when they adjusted in a few boards never sniffed the pocket.
Which event? I haven't seen a pattern that length. A rough surface blows up the heads which can put you in a tough spot on longer patterns
Rochester.
The PBA should use such patterns. Nasty, 51 feet but low volume and low scoring.
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I watched the PWBA. Gals played much further out than I would have expected. 2 lefties pretty much jammed it up 5-7. Righties did the same thing, but Danielle was a board or 2 deeper. Guys would have started up 20-12, but still up the back of the ball
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I just practiced on some 43 ft Kegel pattern and the only thing I could get to hook early enough and carry was a 500 Grit Gamebreaker 2. 3" Pin to axis, no hole. It flares about 7" for me. Surface and is going to be your #1 weapon for the real oil.
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You don't need a ball to hook to hit. You need to get it in to a roll. I know it is a listbart, but sometimes it works better to try and play s pattern rather than blow it up.
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You don't need a ball to hook to hit. You need to get it in to a roll. I know it is a listbart, but sometimes it works better to try and play s pattern rather than blow it up.
"But, but, I can't stand where I want and get it to bounce off the dry, so I must need moar surface!!"
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Yes, if you can't swing it from 4th arrow to the gutter and get it back, the answer has to be more surface😊
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You don't need a ball to hook to hit. You need to get it in to a roll. I know it is a listbart, but sometimes it works better to try and play s pattern rather than blow it up.
"But, but, I can't stand where I want and get it to bounce off the dry, so I must need moar surface!!"
Who tells me that I can't go straight up 5 on a heavy 45 foot pattern with a hang spot at 43 feet? MOAR MOAR MOAR SURFACE....until I shoot 150 and crawl away...sniffle.
(The above is not to be confused with an actual event that occurred June 7th, 2017.)