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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: JOE FALCO on June 02, 2019, 03:06:32 PM
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I thought the bowling on TV today was GREAT! I was routing for the winner since the very beginning! Love his style ..don't want to say too much at this time!
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Recording the rebroadcast tonight!!
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I recorded it so I could skip the commentary and just watch the bowling. I also mute it because I can not stand the constant cheering.
The matches over all were very good.
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Too many loud, drunks for me. Watching on mute.
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Too many loud, drunks for me. Watching on mute.
My wife isn't a fan like I am, and even she was like "Why are all those aholes being obnoxious?"
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I recorded it so I could skip the commentary and just watch the bowling. I also mute it because I can not stand the constant cheering.
The matches over all were very good.
The only way to watch the PBA Playoffs.
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I like the current presentations on FS1 and fox better than what espn was doing...however, I don't care for the crowd noise allowed during all parts of the shot, nor do I like that they have crowd bleachers running all the way down the lane...I like the "old days" where the crowd was quiet during the approach and shot until the result of the shot came about....I don't know how the current pros do it, but I would find the crowd noise and the fans seated all the way down the lane a bit distracting.
Brad
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I like the current presentations on FS1 and fox better than what espn was doing...however, I don't care for the crowd noise allowed during all parts of the shot, nor do I like that they have crowd bleachers running all the way down the lane...I like the "old days" where the crowd was quiet during the approach and shot until the result of the shot came about....I don't know how the current pros do it, but I would find the crowd noise and the fans seated all the way down the lane a bit distracting.
Brad
This only occurs at Portland Bowl. Other shows don't have all of the noise
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Constant noise isn't as bad as a sudden unexpected noise, but I'm not a big fan either. I did notice in the first game, on one of Billy's bad shots, in the middle of his approach, a fan most of the way down the lane started waving a really big banner sign. Billy would probably never say anything, but that had to throw off his concentration big time.
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I thoroughly enjoyed it, production was good, really like all the new Specto powered tid bits they have incorporated, and maybe because i'm young, but the high energy crowd really reminds me of any big time sporting event in a good way. I hope this helps builds momentum.
My parents had stopped by my house when it was on and stuck around and watched a bit too, they don't bowl, or follow bowling, but both found it pretty entertaining for their time around FWIW.
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I like the current presentations on FS1 and fox better than what espn was doing...however, I don't care for the crowd noise allowed during all parts of the shot, nor do I like that they have crowd bleachers running all the way down the lane...I like the "old days" where the crowd was quiet during the approach and shot until the result of the shot came about....I don't know how the current pros do it, but I would find the crowd noise and the fans seated all the way down the lane a bit distracting.
Brad
You mean these old days?
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I like the current presentations on FS1 and fox better than what espn was doing...however, I don't care for the crowd noise allowed during all parts of the shot, nor do I like that they have crowd bleachers running all the way down the lane...I like the "old days" where the crowd was quiet during the approach and shot until the result of the shot came about....I don't know how the current pros do it, but I would find the crowd noise and the fans seated all the way down the lane a bit distracting.
Brad
You mean these old days?
I remember the 98-99 season. Why did they stop after that season?
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Love the cheers and noise. Why does bowling have to be so damn stuffy?
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Love the cheers and noise. Why does bowling have to be so damn stuffy?
What's stuffy about this show? Plenty of cheer and noise, once the ball is let go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=170481itvoA&t=223s
The crowd can hardly contain itself with each strike getting louder and louder:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g6jP-lwgEM&t=1s
I think there is this drummed up illusion that fans didn't used to cheer for bowling. It's simply not true.
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I like the current presentations on FS1 and fox better than what espn was doing...however, I don't care for the crowd noise allowed during all parts of the shot, nor do I like that they have crowd bleachers running all the way down the lane...I like the "old days" where the crowd was quiet during the approach and shot until the result of the shot came about....I don't know how the current pros do it, but I would find the crowd noise and the fans seated all the way down the lane a bit distracting.
Brad
Yea, and the crowd(and players) should be able to smoke during the competition... ::)
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Make noise like that in PGA tournament backswing and they will exit you.
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I like the current presentations on FS1 and fox better than what espn was doing...however, I don't care for the crowd noise allowed during all parts of the shot, nor do I like that they have crowd bleachers running all the way down the lane...I like the "old days" where the crowd was quiet during the approach and shot until the result of the shot came about....I don't know how the current pros do it, but I would find the crowd noise and the fans seated all the way down the lane a bit distracting.
Brad
Yea, and the crowd(and players) should be able to smoke during the competition... ::)
Lol the good ole days. Honestly the cheering would be so jarring if it wasn't so obviously manufactured by Fox. Probably have a teleprompter for the crowd (who are probably mostly Fox schills) ala old sitcoms or at least some kind of cheer leader types (think guy cheerleader with cone at college games). Still good on them I guess for increasing the ratings.
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Don't you think .."if the noise bothered the bowlers ..they would have put a stop to it?"
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Forget tradition. It's time to get people excited. Blow the roof off the place.
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I’ve never had so much fun watching Bowling, especially love the ringing of the bell for the roll-offs. This formula is a winner. This is not chess. It shouldn’t be quiet!
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Bowling did need a Happy Gilmore like remake.
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Darts in the UK changed their quiet respect for the player around 2005 and it has boomed. The sport/pastime is going through an amazing run this past 15 years. They regularly have crowds in excess of 10,000 people to watch games. Prize money has skyrocketed. You should see the barracking certain players get from the crowds. It is a real “event†at all the venues. It was an amazing change.
Not everyone has enjoyed the change but maybe this is an attempt at something similar. If it works then bowling will be the big winner.
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I like the current presentations on FS1 and fox better than what espn was doing...however, I don't care for the crowd noise allowed during all parts of the shot, nor do I like that they have crowd bleachers running all the way down the lane...I like the "old days" where the crowd was quiet during the approach and shot until the result of the shot came about....I don't know how the current pros do it, but I would find the crowd noise and the fans seated all the way down the lane a bit distracting.
Brad
This only occurs at Portland Bowl. Other shows don't have all of the noise
It sounds like the PBA and Fox really like the atmosphere. I wonder if they are going to adopt the constant crowd noise going forward at other venues. The 2020 PBA playoffs are going to be at Bowlero facilities around the country, so they won't have the Portland, Maine fans.
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The Atmosphere is only like that at Bayside. I was in attendance for about 8-10 shows during my 5 years in Las Vegas. Outside of Francois Lavoie shooting 300, no one seemed excited to be there, except the youth bowlers and immediate families of the participants. The finals in Jersey is a good place to have next year's finals. The northeast isn't going to sit on their hands and yawn.
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Bowling did need a Happy Gilmore like remake.
I couldn't help but think of that movie after I posted.....the part where Shooter Mcgavin get's disgusted with the crowds at one event and says something like "geez you people, this is golf!"
Brad
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Kinda like BowlingForDonuts referred to. The excitement is fine, but it's so obviously manufactured by Fox that it loses steam.
Let the fans be noisy and such. Just let it be from the fans themselves, and not so "scripted".
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Don't you think .."if the noise bothered the bowlers ..they would have put a stop to it?"
There is no PBA players union.
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Regarding the players, I believe they are adapting because it appears that the money (Fox) says this is better for ratings. Ratings means money that they can win.
Face it. No bowler is used to that type of noise. Not referring to the decibel level, but the unison singing of this or that. It's abnormal. We don't hear it in the rowdiest of leagues or tournaments, so it's abnormal. Can they get used it? Sure.
Let's say you're Joe Pro and you have the front 9 strikes and they start singing at the top of their lungs for you, don't you think there would be a tendency to try harder on the 10th, 11th, or 12th ball?
It's human nature to want to please the crowd that is so energetically cheering for you. However, those of us who have plenty of honor scores are trying to stay calm and do the exact same as the previous 11 shots to optimize carry on that final shot, rather than trying to do more to the ball to make it "really carry" and leave the 4 pin or worse on the last shot because we wanted to throw it "better".
The players will adapt if this is the direction things will go, but silently I would bet each bowler faced with the important shot of his career, might rather hear himself think. Just my .02 on the subject of scripted fan behavior.
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As a long time bowler and viewer since the early 80's I love the noise at BOPA! Also I can say as a player the constant noise wouldn't bother me in the least. It's much better than the early season quiet with its cell phone interruptions. Nothing more jarring than dead silence and an unexpected sound in your approach.
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Win 100k in a noisy environment, or win 20k in silence. Hmm... Let me choose...
Turn it up.to 11 and SHOW ME THE MONEY!
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I get the points supporting silence, but if it allows for more money, I don't think the players will mind the noise at all. Pretty much all the pros have stated the atmosphere was amazing. If college bowlers can overcome the noise, I'm sure its not a problem for the pros.
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The crowd noise I can adjust to, it is the noise/non-sense being generated by Stone/Peterson, the sport can do without. Bowling is trying to be taken serious and promote the product and those two are turning it into a circus atmosphere. As a bowler, I find them to be an insult to our intelligence.
Time to move on, maybe use Barnes or Kelly Kulick as regulars providing intelligent input. Kulick does a tremendous job during WPBA evenets explaining the technology and lane adjustments. FOX please cut ties and improve the TV product. This match play tournament show was a step in the right direction lets keep the ball rolling in the right direction.
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The crowd noise I can adjust to, it is the noise/non-sense being generated by Stone/Peterson, the sport can do without. Bowling is trying to be taken serious and promote the product and those two are turning it into a circus atmosphere. As a bowler, I find them to be an insult to our intelligence.
Time to move on, maybe use Barnes or Kelly Kulick as regulars providing intelligent input. Kulick does a tremendous job during WPBA evenets explaining the technology and lane adjustments. FOX please cut ties and improve the TV product. This match play tournament show was a step in the right direction lets keep the ball rolling in the right direction.
I heard Stu Williams did a really good job commentating on the Japan Cup live stream.
I think the players can get used to the constant noise, as long as someone doesn't throw up a huge "FLUFFHEAD" sign during their approach. O'neil threw a bad shot, but he didn't give an indication that it was because of the sign. Better focus than me.
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The crowd noise I can adjust to, it is the noise/non-sense being generated by Stone/Peterson, the sport can do without. Bowling is trying to be taken serious and promote the product and those two are turning it into a circus atmosphere. As a bowler, I find them to be an insult to our intelligence.
Time to move on, maybe use Barnes or Kelly Kulick as regulars providing intelligent input. Kulick does a tremendous job during WPBA evenets explaining the technology and lane adjustments. FOX please cut ties and improve the TV product. This match play tournament show was a step in the right direction lets keep the ball rolling in the right direction.
I heard Stu Williams did a really good job commentating on the Japan Cup live stream.
I think the players can get used to the constant noise, as long as someone doesn't throw up a huge "FLUFFHEAD" sign during their approach. O'neil threw a bad shot, but he didn't give an indication that it was because of the sign. Better focus than me.
Don't some college programs train by having other kids line up beside the approach on both sides and try to distract the bowler with yelling and clapping? Thought I heard someone say that. Seems like when I am in the zone virtually nothing short of someone on my approach can distract me. I assume many pros can take that to the next level. +1 to time for new blood announcing. Barnes is infinitely more likable and dare I say knowledgeable than Pedersen.
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The crowd noise I can adjust to, it is the noise/non-sense being generated by Stone/Peterson, the sport can do without. Bowling is trying to be taken serious and promote the product and those two are turning it into a circus atmosphere. As a bowler, I find them to be an insult to our intelligence.
Time to move on, maybe use Barnes or Kelly Kulick as regulars providing intelligent input. Kulick does a tremendous job during WPBA evenets explaining the technology and lane adjustments. FOX please cut ties and improve the TV product. This match play tournament show was a step in the right direction lets keep the ball rolling in the right direction.
I heard Stu Williams did a really good job commentating on the Japan Cup live stream.
I think the players can get used to the constant noise, as long as someone doesn't throw up a huge "FLUFFHEAD" sign during their approach. O'neil threw a bad shot, but he didn't give an indication that it was because of the sign. Better focus than me.
Don't some college programs train by having other kids line up beside the approach on both sides and try to distract the bowler with yelling and clapping? Thought I heard someone say that. Seems like when I am in the zone virtually nothing short of someone on my approach can distract me. I assume many pros can take that to the next level. +1 to time for new blood announcing. Barnes is infinitely more likable and dare I say knowledgeable than Pedersen.
Sounds like a good way to train your focus.. Like keys on the putting green, like Tiger Woods' dad did.
With the addition of Belmonte and Troup, I wonder what is going through Pedersen and Stone's heads.
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The crowd noise I can adjust to, it is the noise/non-sense being generated by Stone/Peterson, the sport can do without. Bowling is trying to be taken serious and promote the product and those two are turning it into a circus atmosphere. As a bowler, I find them to be an insult to our intelligence.
Time to move on, maybe use Barnes or Kelly Kulick as regulars providing intelligent input. Kulick does a tremendous job during WPBA evenets explaining the technology and lane adjustments. FOX please cut ties and improve the TV product. This match play tournament show was a step in the right direction lets keep the ball rolling in the right direction.
I heard Stu Williams did a really good job commentating on the Japan Cup live stream.
I think the players can get used to the constant noise, as long as someone doesn't throw up a huge "FLUFFHEAD" sign during their approach. O'neil threw a bad shot, but he didn't give an indication that it was because of the sign. Better focus than me.
Don't some college programs train by having other kids line up beside the approach on both sides and try to distract the bowler with yelling and clapping? Thought I heard someone say that. Seems like when I am in the zone virtually nothing short of someone on my approach can distract me. I assume many pros can take that to the next level. +1 to time for new blood announcing. Barnes is infinitely more likable and dare I say knowledgeable than Pedersen.
Sounds like a good way to train your focus.. Like keys on the putting green, like Tiger Woods' dad did.
With the addition of Belmonte and Troup, I wonder what is going through Pedersen and Stone's heads.
Not very much, just like normal...
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Someone is actually complaining about the noise? You notice how not once at Bayside has anyone ever complained about being distracted? I've been saying this since the beginning, bowling is a noisy sport period, and when reduced to absolute silence for a tv show, any small noise or movement is going to be distracting when isolated. This way there's crazy stuff going on everywhere, everything blends in.
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Someone is actually complaining about the noise? You notice how not once at Bayside has anyone ever complained about being distracted? I've been saying this since the beginning, bowling is a noisy sport period, and when reduced to absolute silence for a tv show, any small noise or movement is going to be distracting when isolated. This way there's crazy stuff going on everywhere, everything blends in.
there is no players union. think about it.
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I can't believe we're three pages in and no one has mentioned the ridiculous best of two system. As soon as the show starts, Rob and Randy start in with the "ooo, we might have a roll off!" and it feels exactly like what it is: someone in an office wanted to manufacture more sudden death faceoffs at the cost of common sense. Two game matches are fine, just use total pinfall.
Other than that, I loved the playoffs. Love the crowd, and I'm so glad Rob is back. This was the best attempt at a playoff format they've done so far.
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I dont disagree about the format, though they said the same thing 50+ years ago when the step ladder was introduced.