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mduminiak

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Need help increasing revs to match ball speed
« on: March 11, 2019, 09:27:28 PM »
I've been working on my swing for the past few months with the hopes of developing a higher backswing and increase ball speed. After a lot of practice I finally feel like I've reached that goal and am happy with my current ball speed. However my current rev rate is not matching up well at all to my ball speed and I've become very speed dominant. Watching my ball travel down the lane it just feels like the revs just aren't there to keep up and I'm not seeing my ball make a strong move and drive through the pins. I would really welcome some objective opinions from the forum on what you may see in my swing that is causing me to lose revs. I've posted a few videos below from different angles:

https://youtu.be/_RKIGifQNBw

https://youtu.be/pfkT9-u_TWo

https://youtu.be/SeTz2veZ5H8

Thanks for the help.

 

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Re: Need help increasing revs to match ball speed
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2019, 05:39:55 PM »
It's because your not transferring maximum power from your legs to your release, in which the release is not in a position to transfer power.

In video 2, you got the back swing up high and but had to accelerate the bottom swing in order to catch up. This didn't give you time to release the ball with power and your slide and knee bend didn't match up with your hand because your hand was late.

You want your hand to have plenty of time at the bottom, so you can get your thumb out clean, rotate around the ball and lift with your fingers. Trying slowing your footwork down to buy more time to swing the ball. Or push off earlier to buy more time in your swing. By perfecting your timing, you can get your hand in a position to impart power and roll. Watch some videos of better players and pay attention to the timing, in which your right foot slides, right knee bends, and the hand should be right there when the knee starts to bend. Then you can go through the release motion.

Consider buying Mark's Book, Game changer or something. But it's a matter of working backwards, and doing what it takes to get the aforementioned position.

 




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Re: Need help increasing revs to match ball speed
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2019, 06:37:58 PM »
Your thumb is in the ball way too long to have a high rev rate. The quicker you can get the thumb out and rotate your hand around the ball(up the back, on the side ect) with the fingers still in the ball, the better your rev rate will be.

Get a very light weight house ball, like 6 lbs or maybe 8, and throw a few without your thumb in the ball at all to get an idea of what it should feel like.
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Re: Need help increasing revs to match ball speed
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2019, 07:15:35 PM »
It's because your not transferring maximum power from your legs to your release, in which the release is not in a position to transfer power.

In video 2, you got the back swing up high and but had to accelerate the bottom swing in order to catch up. This didn't give you time to release the ball with power and your slide and knee bend didn't match up with your hand because your hand was late.

You want your hand to have plenty of time at the bottom, so you can get your thumb out clean, rotate around the ball and lift with your fingers. Trying slowing your footwork down to buy more time to swing the ball. Or push off earlier to buy more time in your swing. By perfecting your timing, you can get your hand in a position to impart power and roll. Watch some videos of better players and pay attention to the timing, in which your right foot slides, right knee bends, and the hand should be right there when the knee starts to bend. Then you can go through the release motion.

Consider buying Mark's Book, Game changer or something. But it's a matter of working backwards, and doing what it takes to get the aforementioned position.

You're the second person recently who told me to slow down my footwork. Makes sense as a way to buy more time for my swing. I'm thinking moving up on the approach would help? With regards to timing are you saying that it is late or early?

Your thumb is in the ball way too long to have a high rev rate. The quicker you can get the thumb out and rotate your hand around the ball(up the back, on the side ect) with the fingers still in the ball, the better your rev rate will be.


Get a very light weight house ball, like 6 lbs or maybe 8, and throw a few without your thumb in the ball at all to get an idea of what it should feel like.
 

Any guidance on how to get the thumb out quicker? I feel like I don't squeeze and have a comfortable thumb hole size. It doesn't get stuck, but should I consider increasing the size?


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Re: Need help increasing revs to match ball speed
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2019, 12:00:05 AM »
1st 2 video clips tell nothing much, you're in the way. Look @ the slo-mo clip. Your hand is on top of the ball, thumb way out in front leading the fingers, also on the very top. This is not a leverage position to create revs from. Get those fingers lower in the ball and keep them there a lot longer, then you can create some leverage / revs!

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Re: Need help increasing revs to match ball speed
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2019, 03:09:25 AM »
Try to learn a one step drill and the kneeling down drill. There are quite a few videos on YouTube about the correct way to do them.

It slows down the release a little so you can get the feeling of thumb out then follow through with the fingers.

It happens so fast on a full swing.
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Re: Need help increasing revs to match ball speed
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2019, 08:01:56 AM »
Youtube search bowling releases and watch some of the slow mo videos and compare the hand position of a strong release to yours at :03 of the side video.  As imagonman said, your fingers and thumb are on top of the ball instead of behind and under it.

The first thing you could try is to throw a few shots with a wrist brace on so you feel how much your hand is breaking down.  It's much easier to feel your wrist position with some type of resistance against it.  You could use it as a training aid then once you are able to keep a neutral position with out it you work on getting into a stronger position than the brace allows.  If you put a Mongoose on and threw a few shots without fighting it your rev rate would go up 50%, maybe more. 

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Re: Need help increasing revs to match ball speed
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2019, 12:17:28 PM »
Foul line drills will help develop the proper release because you can remove a lot of the other stuff from your focus.
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Re: Need help increasing revs to match ball speed
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2019, 12:45:20 PM »
Youtube search bowling releases and watch some of the slow mo videos and compare the hand position of a strong release to yours at :03 of the side video.  As imagonman said, your fingers and thumb are on top of the ball instead of behind and under it.

The first thing you could try is to throw a few shots with a wrist brace on so you feel how much your hand is breaking down.  It's much easier to feel your wrist position with some type of resistance against it.  You could use it as a training aid then once you are able to keep a neutral position with out it you work on getting into a stronger position than the brace allows.  If you put a Mongoose on and threw a few shots without fighting it your rev rate would go up 50%, maybe more.

+1 on the Mongoose lifter helping.  Just a few months using it and now generally start at least 5 boards further left than I used to with the same target.  Helped reduce my axis tilt some too.
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Re: Need help increasing revs to match ball speed
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2019, 01:35:33 PM »
Your hand is late at the bottom of the swing to release. Your thumb is coming out at almost the same time as your fingers. Watch video 3 in slow motion; when the thumb comes out, your hand should be flat while projecting the ball farther onto the lane. A flatter hand will change the thumb angle, allowing the thumb to exit and the ball to float on your fingers for 1/2 sec, allowing you to rotate around the ball and lift with your fingers while the ball experiences 0 gravity. That's the sweet spot to be in. In your video, your hand is pointing down, because your late and gravity and the weight of the ball takes over. When your timing is perfected, you should not feel the weight of the ball. It should not pull you forward, backwards, or fall over left making you recover by using your left leg to quickly re-balance.

Your walking faster than your swing. When you raise the swing, it increases the amount of distance the swing must cover, thus you need more time to complete the swing to get to the sweet spot. You don't have to stick to a 4 or 5 step approach. you can take as many steps as you like, and when your ready to push off go for it.

To answer your question about moving forward, I have found that people tend to rush the process when a shorter amount of distance is available.

It takes time and training to get good at it. But once you understand the fundamentals, the faster you will learn it. If you want to feel the sweet spot, try the one step approach for an hour. Firm up your wrist, pull the ball back and release it staying under the equator of the ball, from the south pole. Or you can do it with a house ball on a table with no swing, just a release. Thumb out, rotate and lift.

Weak wrist? wash your car and use a shammy to dry it. Or a 5 Lb dumbbell while watching TV. Karate kid training.

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This is what I got out of Marks Book, and training with him at his clinic.

It's because your not transferring maximum power from your legs to your release, in which the release is not in a position to transfer power.

In video 2, you got the back swing up high and but had to accelerate the bottom swing in order to catch up. This didn't give you time to release the ball with power and your slide and knee bend didn't match up with your hand because your hand was late.

You want your hand to have plenty of time at the bottom, so you can get your thumb out clean, rotate around the ball and lift with your fingers. Trying slowing your footwork down to buy more time to swing the ball. Or push off earlier to buy more time in your swing. By perfecting your timing, you can get your hand in a position to impart power and roll. Watch some videos of better players and pay attention to the timing, in which your right foot slides, right knee bends, and the hand should be right there when the knee starts to bend. Then you can go through the release motion.

Consider buying Mark's Book, Game changer or something. But it's a matter of working backwards, and doing what it takes to get the aforementioned position.

You're the second person recently who told me to slow down my footwork. Makes sense as a way to buy more time for my swing. I'm thinking moving up on the approach would help? With regards to timing are you saying that it is late or early?

Your thumb is in the ball way too long to have a high rev rate. The quicker you can get the thumb out and rotate your hand around the ball(up the back, on the side ect) with the fingers still in the ball, the better your rev rate will be.


Get a very light weight house ball, like 6 lbs or maybe 8, and throw a few without your thumb in the ball at all to get an idea of what it should feel like.
 

Any guidance on how to get the thumb out quicker? I feel like I don't squeeze and have a comfortable thumb hole size. It doesn't get stuck, but should I consider increasing the size?


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Re: Need help increasing revs to match ball speed
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2019, 01:41:10 PM »
The guy that can't read ball reaction on a house shot is analyzing video. Perfect.

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Re: Need help increasing revs to match ball speed
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2019, 04:43:06 AM »
Thanks everyone for all of the analysis and helpful tips. I practiced yesterday and focused mainly on slowing down my feet and having my thumbnail touch the back of the ball so I'm not grabbing as much. Definitely felt like slowing down helped get my timing more in sync. Ball speed was a good 1-2 mph slower which I guess is to be expected. Focusing on my thumb position helped staying under the ball better. I'm probably still coming over the top somewhat, but felt a difference and think over time it'll improve. I also have the interchangeable thumb holes and tried using an insert with reverse pitch vs the forward pitch thumb that I use more regularly. Seemed more comfortable and helped get my thumb out more quickly.