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bullred

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Interesting
« on: July 23, 2018, 02:46:34 PM »
Read somewhere one of the higher ranked women pros dropped to 14# balls.   Must have a hand

 

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Re: Interesting
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2018, 04:18:49 PM »
Cote.

bullred

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Re: Interesting
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2018, 04:33:55 PM »
With a certain roll, be a good move.   I threw a "lifted" semi spinner.  When I got older I went to a 14# ball.  Wish I had done that years before.   With my roll my target expanded to hitting anywhere between the 2 and 3 pins.  A spinner type ball in light weight is very forgiving on  high hits

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Re: Interesting
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2018, 09:35:22 PM »
Well, Mark Willians dropped to 14 lbs in the early 90s.

I see no point to using a higher weight if anything else is scarified (rev rate, accuracy, consistency). I"ve used 14 and 15 lbs, see no difference at all. What matters is getting good roll on the ball and it into the pocked.

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Re: Interesting
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2018, 09:47:56 PM »
Well, Mark Willians dropped to 14 lbs in the early 90s.

I see no point to using a higher weight if anything else is scarified (rev rate, accuracy, consistency). I"ve used 14 and 15 lbs, see no difference at all. What matters is getting good roll on the ball and it into the pocked.

Before the reactive era though from what I remember most males threw 16lb.  You sure see more of difference in carry going up with urethane and plastic (assume rubber too but never even seen 15lb rubber ball) than you do reactives in my experience.  I only started throwing 16 due to it being so hard to find NIB gems affordable in 15lb but still only throw 15lb reactives when I need to score.  Reactives have done a lot to level the playing field of the different weights imo.
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Re: Interesting
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2018, 10:40:40 AM »
Well, Mark Willians dropped to 14 lbs in the early 90s.

I see no point to using a higher weight if anything else is scarified (rev rate, accuracy, consistency). I"ve used 14 and 15 lbs, see no difference at all. What matters is getting good roll on the ball and it into the pocked.

Before the reactive era though from what I remember most males threw 16lb.  You sure see more of difference in carry going up with urethane and plastic (assume rubber too but never even seen 15lb rubber ball) than you do reactives in my experience.  I only started throwing 16 due to it being so hard to find NIB gems affordable in 15lb but still only throw 15lb reactives when I need to score.  Reactives have done a lot to level the playing field of the different weights imo.

I disagree. Maybe with older urethane/plastic with pancake blocks.

I moved from 15 to 14 2 years ago. Best decision I ever made. Since then, my average has went way up. I've beat my personal best game and series multiple times, and it's allowed me to do much more to the ball with less effort than before.

In terms of carry with urethane, let me remind you that my 300/800 was shot with the Hot Cell at 14lbs. I've also had big games/series with the Shadow Ops. And I've had some big games with symmetrical urethane balls as well. I see no difference in carry with plastic or urethane from 15lbs. In fact, it may be better due to my other gains.

All things given the same, then heavier weights will likely give better results. However, how often are all things the same? I suppose it is the same as swinging a bat. Most recommend to swing the heaviest bat you can until you lose bat speed.

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Re: Interesting
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2018, 11:26:35 AM »
Trend to higher rev rates combined with high friction shells has made higher speed optimal, and lessened the impact of the weight of the ball for carry

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Re: Interesting
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2018, 12:10:02 PM »
Well, Mark Willians dropped to 14 lbs in the early 90s.

I see no point to using a higher weight if anything else is scarified (rev rate, accuracy, consistency). I"ve used 14 and 15 lbs, see no difference at all. What matters is getting good roll on the ball and it into the pocked.

Before the reactive era though from what I remember most males threw 16lb.  You sure see more of difference in carry going up with urethane and plastic (assume rubber too but never even seen 15lb rubber ball) than you do reactives in my experience.  I only started throwing 16 due to it being so hard to find NIB gems affordable in 15lb but still only throw 15lb reactives when I need to score.  Reactives have done a lot to level the playing field of the different weights imo.

I disagree. Maybe with older urethane/plastic with pancake blocks.

I moved from 15 to 14 2 years ago. Best decision I ever made. Since then, my average has went way up. I've beat my personal best game and series multiple times, and it's allowed me to do much more to the ball with less effort than before.

In terms of carry with urethane, let me remind you that my 300/800 was shot with the Hot Cell at 14lbs. I've also had big games/series with the Shadow Ops. And I've had some big games with symmetrical urethane balls as well. I see no difference in carry with plastic or urethane from 15lbs. In fact, it may be better due to my other gains.

All things given the same, then heavier weights will likely give better results. However, how often are all things the same? I suppose it is the same as swinging a bat. Most recommend to swing the heaviest bat you can until you lose bat speed.

You may be right especially with modern dynamic cores.  The difference I notice is mostly with older pancakes now I think about it.  Accuracy is still key and yes if dropping down greatly improves accuracy and revs as well then a fairly slight difference in carry doesn't matter at all. 
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Re: Interesting
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2018, 01:10:03 PM »
Trend to higher rev rates combined with high friction shells has made higher speed optimal, and lessened the impact of the weight of the ball for carry

Exactly! Technology has replaced "touch". Now "carry" isn't an issue. 15-20 years ago, you would never see someone throwing surface on a short pattern because "The ball will burn up and hit flat", now you see guys attacking 30-35 feet with 500-1000 grit in an attempt to get the ball to stop at 17.5

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Re: Interesting
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2018, 03:31:39 PM »
Very good analysis guys’,  well stated.