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bowlallthetime

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Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« on: July 30, 2013, 11:38:01 PM »
Why are some people against a group of 10 people working together to open up a lane?  It just doesn't make sense to me.  Nationals is a team event.  You should work together as a team, just like any other sport.

In the NFL, O-linemen work together to open up holes to make it EASIER for Adrian Peterson to gain as many yards as possible. 

In the NBA players set screens to get a teammate open to make it EASIER for a teammate to make a shot.

So why is it wrong in bowling for members of a team to play a certain part of the lane to make it EASIER for fellow teammates to knock down the most pins possible?

We don't hear fans of the NFL say "why is the o-line giving AP such a huge hole to run through?  They should just lay down and make him do all the work by himself.."

Then why in bowling are some so against teamwork?  No one is stopping you and your team from doing the exact same thing.

 

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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #46 on: August 10, 2013, 02:53:27 PM »
What difference does it make if you go their with ten and bowl on the same pair or go with five get a randomly selected team to cross with and agree with the crossing team in the squad room to break them down a pre determined way?
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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #47 on: August 10, 2013, 05:49:20 PM »
It's not like it used to be a 20 man team event when you bowled at 10:30 at night and were at the mercy of the squad in front of you.  It's been a 5 man team event for over 100 years.  It ain't changing.

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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #48 on: August 11, 2013, 05:09:40 AM »
Its not really a five man team event either, well not if you want to have a good score.

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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #49 on: August 11, 2013, 11:37:36 AM »
Its five man team regardless of what you think, either team on the pair can win it mutually beneficial to work together. I don't understand how that equates into a ten man team. The only reason why it is not done in league is because your on the ths or it would be done their too.
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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #50 on: August 11, 2013, 11:55:09 AM »
Let's not beat around the bush here. 

The random draw worry is you have a team of strokers and you draw a companion team of super crankers.  Sure they want to play together, but their definitions are slightly different areas of the lane due to their game.

And lets also face it, most companion teams have some level of associated talent and have prepared together.  If the group says bowler x should ball down, he has that ball with him.

In a random draw, you goto companion team bowler and suggest that he ball down because of reaction and blowing open the pattern wrong he tells you that is the least aggressive piece he brought.

Then you plan is in trouble.

All of this discussion is simple.  Some bowlers in small town America, which they cannot change, or should not have to change, may not have 9 other talented bowlers  which has become necessary to win the team eagle.

So can USBC do something to level out that playing field since it is a 5 man event?

The only answer I have mentioned that no one can argue with other than tradition, is bowl on 1 lane.  You still bowl with you companion team, buddies etc.  You can still use their knowledge and expertise, but only you and your 4 team mates create your scores.  Not you and your 9 buddies, which some bowlers do not have access to.

And in singles tournaments in foreign countries, you see this more often.

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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #51 on: August 11, 2013, 12:03:29 PM »
Txbowler bowling with five guys on only is a pretty dumb idea you guys are whining about a unfair advantage with two teams working together, scores would go crazy if you had one team not alternate lanes during team event it would seperate competition further.  And how many leagues bowl on one lane not a pair? Do any state tournaments use only one lane? I don't think so.


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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #52 on: August 11, 2013, 12:44:04 PM »
If it separates scores, so be it.  Right now, it gives certain teams an appearance of a competitive advantage.  I think that is what everyone here is talking about.

Before fresh oil for everyone on every event, some groups through luck of the draw, got a competitive advantage.

Before posting the pattern online, some people with inside knowledge (per Riggs, these people existed) had the pattern and practiced on it.  A competitive advantage.

Couple of years ago, a super talented team bowled by themselves and shot lights out due to an odd # of teams on the squad.  And everyone complained that they had a competitive advantage.

I believe all everyone here is asking is, if it is possible to remove a competitive advantage.  Then remove it.  What ever that advantage may be.

Then the 5 member team from the 8 lane house in small town Alaska has the same chance to win as the 10 member teams from Arlington, or Wisconsin, or Wichita because small town Alaska probably cannot find the "talented" companion team that today's team bowling event has involved into to win the eagle.

That's all I am discussing.  And it is simply a discussion of ideas.




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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #53 on: August 11, 2013, 12:56:50 PM »
Might as well just call it the open bowling tournament and give everyone a trophy so no ones feelings get hurt. People Open bowl on one lane leagues and tournaments alternate lanes.

Bowling on one lane will make good teams better and bad teams worse. Then Mighty Fish will have something else to cry about.
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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #54 on: August 11, 2013, 01:41:58 PM »
I see 5 men random draw for lane selection as the only fair solution. Otherwise, call it a ten men 2 team tournament because that is what iit is.

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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #55 on: August 12, 2013, 11:29:06 AM »
The best teams are going to win regardless of having good companion teams.  Only time I ever saw it as a factor was when we got teamed up with a group of women, 3 of whom were throwing polyester.  It can also be a problem on those occasions where there is no companion team. 

Bottom line, the "strategy" of burning in a shot is way over rated.  The best strategy is to get 5 guys who all have similar styles be, it straighter or high rev.  Asking a high rev cranker and an up the boards straight player to burn in a shot in the same area is like asking a lefty to play backup on the right side.     

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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #56 on: August 12, 2013, 05:10:40 PM »
mainzer,

Thanks for the reply. I find this very similiar to me fishing the outer banks two weeks ago. I was in the right location and had the right bait. Everything was in place except me not catching fish. Nice Man at the bait shop showed me a rig to use, and that was it! I was catching fish almost every cast that night. Difference - Rig I was using had one hook and was on the bottom, new rig had 3 hooks on it and they were spaced 12 to 18 to 24 inches from the bottom. I caught 99% of my fish on the top two hooks.

Bowling is no different. You can have the right equipment and throw great, but if you don't play the pattern the right way, it can be a very long day of with no fish ... I mean no strikes.
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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #57 on: August 12, 2013, 05:30:41 PM »
Trash heap, great analogy. Perhaps Mainzer will be able to understand.

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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #58 on: August 12, 2013, 10:37:59 PM »
Never knew there were 10 man teams?

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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #59 on: August 13, 2013, 12:51:08 AM »
Trash heap, great analogy. Perhaps Mainzer will be able to understand.

i understand just fine, i would be for the random draw. I laughed with the analogy but it is perfect
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