Post by: bamaster on February 09, 2004, 01:08:35 AM
It's unfair to ever discredit a person based on age, and certainly their opinions count, but how much does age play in the amount of respect you give when someone posts advice?
If you were to walk into your local pro shop and ask about how to layout a ball, would you take the advice of a 16 year old even if he worked there?
I'm reeeealy not pointing fingers at anyone at all. It's just an observation and I'm curious about how others feel about it.
Personally, I have to consider the source when listening to advice. I'm also a believer in experience smarts over textbook smarts. I take each post individually, but I admit I give less thought to some on certain topics.
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Post by: iommifan on February 09, 2004, 04:11:57 PM
Post by: bamaster on February 09, 2004, 04:14:43 PM
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How many things did we all know were certain when we were teenagers and now looking back we realize we were full of shlt?
Ain't that the truth! When I was 18 I thought I was a genius. Of course I now know how dumb I really was. Sadly, I think I'm pretty smart now... but in ten years I'll know how stupid I really am.
Post by: iommifan on February 09, 2004, 04:18:04 PM
Post by: TwoFourEightNineNine on February 09, 2004, 04:25:56 PM
I think this ideal of that "all kids are bad" shows with the activity our government is doing. They are spending more money on our prisons than our public schools.
... but who's gonna listen to me anyway. I'm 19, I guess that means I'm a vandal and criminal by your standards, even though I am a full-time college student and work at a store, and never have done anything illegal in my life.
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Post by: BadShot on February 09, 2004, 04:25:57 PM
alot of these kids are pretty sharp, and some of them need to be spending alot more time doing their homework!!!
if i could make one generalization (which i HATE to do), i'd say that most junior bowlers' styles are different from older bowlers. they're more flexible, and it has been my observation that most juniors use a "cranker" style.
as long as anyone sounds like they're experienced, i'll read what they have to say, no matter what age.
i even kinda listen to channel surfer after i've been drinking for awhile!!
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Post by: bamaster on February 09, 2004, 04:33:19 PM
I asked about teenagers posting bowling advice and whether age influences readers. No one mentioned bad kids.
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Post by: TwoFourEightNineNine on February 09, 2004, 06:59:42 PM
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Jeremy... what are you talking about?
I asked about teenagers posting bowling advice and whether age influences readers. No one mentioned bad kids.
For some reason, i had this feeling - just a feeling- of resentment toward the younger populations. I guess its from from years of resentment/lack of respect from the older crowd of this board (and outside in society) i get all the time which makes me defensive about my age.
I'm sure that several kids who think and feel that they are never listened to. Maybe thats the reason why we are so outspoken (like what someone had brought up) at times.
If this 16 y/o kid who works in a pro shop was trained by Larry Lichstein (the first guy who brought his drill press out on tour) or Lou Marquez (former pro shop training professional @ Kegel), will you still trust him? Just curious.
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Post by: SrKegler on February 09, 2004, 07:57:30 PM
Some of the posters (King and a few others) seem to be more mature than a lot of our "adults". Wouldn't have known they were kids if I hadn't looked.
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Post by: bamaster on February 09, 2004, 07:57:57 PM
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If this 16 y/o kid who works in a pro shop was trained by Larry Lichstein (the first guy who brought his drill press out on tour) or Lou Marquez (former pro shop training professional @ Kegel), will you still trust him? Just curious.
I would trust him to recommend what the book tells him to do and to hit the lines on the ball with his press. But I still wouldn't trust him to map the ball out. There are lots of factors in tweaking a drill. Experience is the only way to understand how "rules of thumb" influence multiple types of balls and multiple types of bowlers who bowl on multiple types of patterns.
I know several IT folks who are Microsoft certified, MCSE type stuff. And they suck. The know what the book tells them to do, but in a real world environment they are at a loss. They consult the senior, experienced pros to troubleshoot little stuff.
Studying books, watching videos and countless hours on the Internet is hardly a substitute for experience.
Understand I am not calling anyone out.. at all. I'm not referring to anyone in particular.
However, I have traveled from Houston to San Antonio just to lay out one ball. I consult with the ball designers and Tour reps to lay out my gear. I'm fortunate to have access to those individuals. That combined with the expertise of my ball driller Mike Austin is how I get the reactions I want. And even then it took many balls to get there. And I will never know everything about it because my game is evolving as are the conditions I am bowling on.
Let me say this... I know ball drillers who have been punching balls for 10-20 years and I wouldn't let them replace a finger insert much less lay out a ball for me.
Tony
Post by: Kanazteck on February 09, 2004, 08:16:04 PM
i dont even like kids laying out my equipment...
but with an ever changing game and kids being really sharp, they could be just as informed as someone twice there age who has been bowling since the age of 8 just an example
Post by: TheDude on February 09, 2004, 10:54:48 PM
As for age, considering myself i am only of 18 but technically a legal adult in my province and country. I have every right to be a loud mouthed jerk as the rest. But i am not. Or atleast try not to be. I know 18 year olds that would be outsmarted by a very quick witted 14 year old.
And our enviroment influences who we are. So you might be stuck in that frame of mind that age equals intelligence. Well it doesn't, it just means wisdom for those that learn from the experience. Those that don't take the lessons learned from experiences, well they never gain wisdom. Just more scares to talk about around the bar.
Eventually you learn what to say to avoid those things that cause scares... lol
Learning never gets old, just like winning.
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Post by: bowlerstyle on February 09, 2004, 11:03:20 PM
Post by: Curly on February 10, 2004, 12:28:05 AM
Personally, I would take suggestions/advice from the younger cats(as long as they arent fronting some of that wanna-be gangster crap!). I may not necessarily use it but I would accept it.
Post by: tenpinspro on February 10, 2004, 07:16:38 AM
However, I personally feel nothing can really replace experience. I'm in my 26th yr of consecutive bowling and I've been drilling on/off since that time also. Having a good understanding of the basics in the game still becomes a crucial point when applied to laying out any ball for an individual. Knowing and recognizing the true differences between a cranker(Robert Smith) to a stroker(Don Carter) and then everything in between is extremely important. If I find that a person younger then me has this understanding, then sure I'd trust his knowledge and information.
Bones, in regards to kids keeping up with technology. Yes, this is true but did they ever tell us what the rg or differential was in a Manhattan Rubber or Ripley? No they didn't, all they focused on then was hardness and anybody who did follow, knew the hardness differences between all the balls of those days.
Overall, like I said before, I didn't even realize some of these guys were that young so evidently they're holding their own and I'm more then happy to trade information or help any of those who seek it.
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