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don coyote

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Opposition watching a team prebowl
« on: November 07, 2021, 10:59:02 AM »
Opposition watching a team prebowl.

Is there any rule against a opposing team watching the other team prebowl?


 

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Re: Opposition watching a team prebowl
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2021, 10:20:38 AM »
Just a little more info for clarification.  The only time you can pre-bowl is the weekend.  We are one of the fortunate houses that have leagues every night of the week that take up 80-100% of the house.  House policy is to only run lanes used by leagues plus 1 pair.  And they do not re-oil on the weekend.  Most weekends, the house is 75% full of open play.

So depending when you pre-bowl, your lanes haven't been oiled in 1 to 2 days and you're following lots of open bowling left overs.  So your scores will suck.  So most pre-bowl score are 30-50 pins lower per bowler.  80% of the bowlers in the league average 170-220.

So yes teams would send someone to watch because they knew the scores were like 100-200 pins below team averages on pre-bowl and you can get that that in 7-8 frames and then play "the game" and still win 4.

We're also talking a league that runs 35-60 hdcp brackets a week where if someone is all in, and they bowl a bad game 1 and lose them all, game 2 and 3 will be terrible when their teammates who aren't in brackets bowl great.  We had to institute a 10 pins rule in brackets the first 7 weeks.  If your average is 10 or more pins below your book, you bowl off your book in brackets.  When you have a 205 bowler averaging 170 after 9 games and he magically wants in all brackets when he didn't enter the 1st 3 weeks. 

It's all about making money.


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Re: Opposition watching a team prebowl
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2021, 12:24:36 PM »
Just a little more info for clarification.  The only time you can pre-bowl is the weekend.  We are one of the fortunate houses that have leagues every night of the week that take up 80-100% of the house.  House policy is to only run lanes used by leagues plus 1 pair.  And they do not re-oil on the weekend.  Most weekends, the house is 75% full of open play.

So depending when you pre-bowl, your lanes haven't been oiled in 1 to 2 days and you're following lots of open bowling left overs.  So your scores will suck.  So most pre-bowl score are 30-50 pins lower per bowler.  80% of the bowlers in the league average 170-220.

So yes teams would send someone to watch because they knew the scores were like 100-200 pins below team averages on pre-bowl and you can get that that in 7-8 frames and then play "the game" and still win 4.

We're also talking a league that runs 35-60 hdcp brackets a week where if someone is all in, and they bowl a bad game 1 and lose them all, game 2 and 3 will be terrible when their teammates who aren't in brackets bowl great.  We had to institute a 10 pins rule in brackets the first 7 weeks.  If your average is 10 or more pins below your book, you bowl off your book in brackets.  When you have a 205 bowler averaging 170 after 9 games and he magically wants in all brackets when he didn't enter the 1st 3 weeks. 

It's all about making money.



This kind of stuff just makes my head hurt and is a perfect example of why I get more and more frustrated by the league "experience" the older I get.

Why can't people just go in and bowl without all of the shenanigans?  So much plotting and scheming...it would make amazing fodder for some sort of reality TV show.

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Re: Opposition watching a team prebowl
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2021, 01:27:12 PM »
To sum up this thread, League bowlers generally suck at being decent human beings.  ;D
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Re: Opposition watching a team prebowl
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2021, 04:52:18 PM »
The guys bowling against a bad pre bowl score won't be tanking after 7-8 frames if they're in brackets, especially if brackets/high game/money is a big part of the league as you suggest. I still content that there isn't much advantage of doing so, unless you happen to bowl against pre bowls a LOT during a season.  You'd be hard pressed to get an extra stick during a season by "average management" once or twice during a season.

And if a team mate tanked games 2 & 3 after losing in brackets, we wouldn't be team mates for long...

And I agree with Milo.

txbowler

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Re: Opposition watching a team prebowl
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2021, 05:16:02 PM »
LOL, his teammates are the ones backing him.  When you can sweep brackets and make $1000 a week, money is a really good motivation for average maintenance.  In week 4 if you are bowling against a pre bowl, and can bowl a 520 off your 220 average and still win your average goes down a lot in week 5.

We've has as many as 80 brackets in a week.  Spend $400 lose them all, average goes down 10 pins because this guy will bowl 3 130s on his 200+ average.  Next week he's at 190, invests $400 shoots 730 and makes $2000.  And this team doesn't care about winning the league.  It's maximizing bracket profits all year.

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Re: Opposition watching a team prebowl
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2021, 06:37:52 PM »
How they can get so many people to buy brackets when the same bowlers dominate them week after week is mind blowing.  After a couple weeks of that nonsense I would be so done with brackets.

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Re: Opposition watching a team prebowl
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2021, 10:20:54 PM »
Because we have a bunch of action players who average 210-230 and beat him every 2 out of 3 weeks.  There's probably $500-$1000 in side action in the league among the gamblers every week.  Plus $100 a man scratch pot games after league some weeks