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The perpetual overhyping of the latest oil balls
« on: December 11, 2018, 12:27:22 AM »
Seriously guys, why do I keep hearing from so many bowlers in-person (including pro shop operators who know far more about bowling than I do) and on the internet about how hook monsters from the last couple of years are so much stronger than the hook monsters from about 15 to 20 years ago? My personal experience of trying out balls from both eras tell me a completely different story.

With the same exact layout and applying a fresh maroon scotch brite pad to everything, I could accurately compare the reactions of all of my bowling balls on a fresh (FLOODED) sport pattern of 29 ml and 43 feet long (solo practice session). I am relatively heavy-handed and have a lot of axis rotation as well. I tried out my Sure lock and Jackal Rising back to back standing at the 8 board and leaking it out to the 5 board. Both balls struggled to read the midlane and hooked sharply at about 45 feet resulting in an ugly wash out respectively with each ball.

I switched to the Columbia Reaction Arc and I MISSED outside my mark by a board in the OB yet the ball grabbed up to 10 feet sooner, hooked sharply and missed the head pin on the left side :o. Keep in mind that the Arc (along with everything I tested during this session) has the same exact surface prep and layout as the Sure Lock and Jackal Rising. The Arc even has more games than the other two. I switched to the Trauma Response and it grabbed another couple of feet sooner than the ARC and crossed over past the head pin with less angle. My next ball was the Track Champ. It got down the lane slightly better than the other two with an even look but it still seemed to hook significantly earlier (and more) than the Rising and Sure Lock resulting in Brooklyn hits.

The last particle ball I tried was my newly reconditioned and resurfaced (maroon pad again) Danger Zone HPH. This ball had almost exactly the same length and hook as the Rising and Sure Lock but without the ability to continue from deeper angles.  I went back to the Jackal Rising and played in the same spot as the other balls. It still got down to about 40 feet but it was actually hooking sharply to the pocket now with a bit of transition up front and in the midlane.

I continued this cycle of switching back and forth among balls (and making angular moves with my feet and target) just to see how each ball responded to the transition (it was quick with all of that surface I was throwing). The Response, Arc, and Champ where all hooking very early and crossing over after a total of two games worth of shots while the Rising and Sure Lock seemed to still get down the lane and angle to the pocket. The Danger Zone HPH still got down the lane almost as well as the Rising and Sure Lock but when it hit the dry, it would puke and start hitting like a pillow. In fact, at a certain point, the HPH would not recover at all which is fine because the HPH is naturally a hook/set type of ball.

I am not making this up; my Reaction Arc, Trauma Response, and Champ all run circles around the Sure Lock and Rising on the fresh floods and it puzzles me when I keep hearing about how these old covers are "obsolete" (meaning ineffective in this context) when they actually traction much better on the Noah's ark conditions than these new oil balls EVEN with the same exact grit.
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Re: The perpetual overhyping of the latest oil balls
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2018, 08:42:39 PM »
Just to see this in a little different light.............OP's argument to me is, essentially........."GTGT, you don't need that new Phaze II you're getting for nationals next year BECAUSE you could just drill an old Reaction ARC or a Trauma Response (or the like) and it would be exactly the same." ?

Confirm?

Exactly what he’s saying.
You obviously missed my point. I explained it thoroughly in my initial posts and know-it-alls like you keep putting words in my mouth. Pay attention! I never said the older stuff is better than the newer stuff, genius. I said that contrary to the common belief that the older high end stuff is ineffective on today's oil, they absolutely can compete or even hook more than the new stuff on HEAVY sport patterns. My initial post was simply a subjective observation and I wanted to challenge this notion of the newer stuff being stronger by default that many people seem to express.

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Re: The perpetual overhyping of the latest oil balls
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2018, 08:48:49 PM »
OK, let's break this down, shall we?

You took 3 symmetrical high load particle balls, and 1 assymetrical high load particle ball, and then 2 newer high end oilers (Don't think there's any particle in either of those) and hit them all with 320 grit scotch brite.

You're bowling on a 43 foot high volume condition (by yourself, I assume?) and you're trying to play a belly to 5 board?

So you're

1) Trying to play a part of the lane that shouldn't be played, WITH head belly.
2) Complaining about how the newer oilers you have in the bag aren't working as well as the older particle balls you have when playing a part of the lane that you shouldn't be playing.

LET'S START WITH THE OBVIOUS.

Move your feet. Your break point should be about 11 or 12 at the end of the pattern.

TOO MUCH SURFACE. TOO MUCH. TOO MUCH. (Let me repeat it for goodness sake) TOO MUCH. On a longer pattern, you need response, not the ball going all Hiroshima on the heads. So your idea to get the ball started as early as possible doesn't work on this situation. The newer oil patterns dictate that you use faster response on a longer pattern, slower response on a shorter pattern. 320 on a high load particle ball is just obscene.

So, instead of learning how to properly break down a pattern and make it a learning experience, you are just trying to play around 5 no matter what?

The newer oilers aren't supposed to hook at your toe, that way they're actually more useful as you have to move your feet and eyes and no one wants to beat you up outside for wrecking the shim. There IS a reason why particle fell out of favor...
Good points, modern day oilers don't hook at your toes like the older stuff so how does that make them "stronger" than the old stuff?

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Re: The perpetual overhyping of the latest oil balls
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2018, 08:55:23 PM »
OK, let's break this down, shall we?

You took 3 symmetrical high load particle balls, and 1 assymetrical high load particle ball, and then 2 newer high end oilers (Don't think there's any particle in either of those) and hit them all with 320 grit scotch brite.

You're bowling on a 43 foot high volume condition (by yourself, I assume?) and you're trying to play a belly to 5 board?

So you're

1) Trying to play a part of the lane that shouldn't be played, WITH head belly.
2) Complaining about how the newer oilers you have in the bag aren't working as well as the older particle balls you have when playing a part of the lane that you shouldn't be playing.

LET'S START WITH THE OBVIOUS.

Move your feet. Your break point should be about 11 or 12 at the end of the pattern.

TOO MUCH SURFACE. TOO MUCH. TOO MUCH. (Let me repeat it for goodness sake) TOO MUCH. On a longer pattern, you need response, not the ball going all Hiroshima on the heads. So your idea to get the ball started as early as possible doesn't work on this situation. The newer oil patterns dictate that you use faster response on a longer pattern, slower response on a shorter pattern. 320 on a high load particle ball is just obscene.

So, instead of learning how to properly break down a pattern and make it a learning experience, you are just trying to play around 5 no matter what?

The newer oilers aren't supposed to hook at your toe, that way they're actually more useful as you have to move your feet and eyes and no one wants to beat you up outside for wrecking the shim. There IS a reason why particle fell out of favor...
Good points, modern day oilers don't hook at your toes like the older stuff so how does that make them "stronger" than the old stuff?

Some people like to see reaction at the arrows. A large majority of  us like to see reaction downlane, you know, by the pins.
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Re: The perpetual overhyping of the latest oil balls
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2018, 09:21:49 PM »
OK, let's break this down, shall we?

You took 3 symmetrical high load particle balls, and 1 assymetrical high load particle ball, and then 2 newer high end oilers (Don't think there's any particle in either of those) and hit them all with 320 grit scotch brite.

You're bowling on a 43 foot high volume condition (by yourself, I assume?) and you're trying to play a belly to 5 board?

So you're

1) Trying to play a part of the lane that shouldn't be played, WITH head belly.
2) Complaining about how the newer oilers you have in the bag aren't working as well as the older particle balls you have when playing a part of the lane that you shouldn't be playing.

LET'S START WITH THE OBVIOUS.

Move your feet. Your break point should be about 11 or 12 at the end of the pattern.

TOO MUCH SURFACE. TOO MUCH. TOO MUCH. (Let me repeat it for goodness sake) TOO MUCH. On a longer pattern, you need response, not the ball going all Hiroshima on the heads. So your idea to get the ball started as early as possible doesn't work on this situation. The newer oil patterns dictate that you use faster response on a longer pattern, slower response on a shorter pattern. 320 on a high load particle ball is just obscene.

So, instead of learning how to properly break down a pattern and make it a learning experience, you are just trying to play around 5 no matter what?

The newer oilers aren't supposed to hook at your toe, that way they're actually more useful as you have to move your feet and eyes and no one wants to beat you up outside for wrecking the shim. There IS a reason why particle fell out of favor...
Good points, modern day oilers don't hook at your toes like the older stuff so how does that make them "stronger" than the old stuff?

Some people like to see reaction at the arrows. A large majority of  us like to see reaction downlane, you know, by the pins.
I bet most of those people don't bowl (or practice) on a flat, flooded pattern applied to a slick brunswick proanvilane surface. 320-400 grit is completely justified when even 1000 grit causes your ball to nearly back up downlane.

I actually agree with Impending Doom (for the most). Today's oilers are designed to allow you to open your angles better as opposed to going all nuclear in the heads and mids. I even said that during the transition, the Sure Lock and Rising gave me the best look moving in.

So apparently when people say that today's oilers are stronger than the one's from the particle era, they mean stronger on the backend, correct? I never thought of it like that to be honest.

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Re: The perpetual overhyping of the latest oil balls
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2018, 09:35:46 PM »
OK, let's break this down, shall we?

You took 3 symmetrical high load particle balls, and 1 assymetrical high load particle ball, and then 2 newer high end oilers (Don't think there's any particle in either of those) and hit them all with 320 grit scotch brite.

You're bowling on a 43 foot high volume condition (by yourself, I assume?) and you're trying to play a belly to 5 board?

So you're

1) Trying to play a part of the lane that shouldn't be played, WITH head belly.
2) Complaining about how the newer oilers you have in the bag aren't working as well as the older particle balls you have when playing a part of the lane that you shouldn't be playing.

LET'S START WITH THE OBVIOUS.

Move your feet. Your break point should be about 11 or 12 at the end of the pattern.

TOO MUCH SURFACE. TOO MUCH. TOO MUCH. (Let me repeat it for goodness sake) TOO MUCH. On a longer pattern, you need response, not the ball going all Hiroshima on the heads. So your idea to get the ball started as early as possible doesn't work on this situation. The newer oil patterns dictate that you use faster response on a longer pattern, slower response on a shorter pattern. 320 on a high load particle ball is just obscene.

So, instead of learning how to properly break down a pattern and make it a learning experience, you are just trying to play around 5 no matter what?

The newer oilers aren't supposed to hook at your toe, that way they're actually more useful as you have to move your feet and eyes and no one wants to beat you up outside for wrecking the shim. There IS a reason why particle fell out of favor...
Good points, modern day oilers don't hook at your toes like the older stuff so how does that make them "stronger" than the old stuff?

Some people like to see reaction at the arrows. A large majority of  us like to see reaction downlane, you know, by the pins.
I bet most of those people don't bowl (or practice) on a flat, flooded pattern applied to a slick brunswick proanvilane surface. 320-400 grit is completely justified when even 1000 grit causes your ball to nearly back up downlane.

I actually agree with Impending Doom (for the most). Today's oilers are designed to allow you to open your angles better as opposed to going all nuclear in the heads and mids. I even said that during the transition, the Sure Lock and Rising gave me the best look moving in.

So apparently when people say that today's oilers are stronger than the one's from the particle era, they mean stronger on the backend, correct? I never thought of it like that to be honest.


In all seriousness 320 grit is abuse. You’re rev rate must be sub 100 rpms in conjunction with those new anvilanes being installed yesterday to justify this much surface in competition. The old balls at that grit gets you through practice at best and you better be throwing frozen ropes (no belly or tugging inside of target) or people will be very upset with you.
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Re: The perpetual overhyping of the latest oil balls
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2018, 09:43:36 PM »
OK, let's break this down, shall we?

You took 3 symmetrical high load particle balls, and 1 assymetrical high load particle ball, and then 2 newer high end oilers (Don't think there's any particle in either of those) and hit them all with 320 grit scotch brite.

You're bowling on a 43 foot high volume condition (by yourself, I assume?) and you're trying to play a belly to 5 board?

So you're

1) Trying to play a part of the lane that shouldn't be played, WITH head belly.
2) Complaining about how the newer oilers you have in the bag aren't working as well as the older particle balls you have when playing a part of the lane that you shouldn't be playing.

LET'S START WITH THE OBVIOUS.

Move your feet. Your break point should be about 11 or 12 at the end of the pattern.

TOO MUCH SURFACE. TOO MUCH. TOO MUCH. (Let me repeat it for goodness sake) TOO MUCH. On a longer pattern, you need response, not the ball going all Hiroshima on the heads. So your idea to get the ball started as early as possible doesn't work on this situation. The newer oil patterns dictate that you use faster response on a longer pattern, slower response on a shorter pattern. 320 on a high load particle ball is just obscene.

So, instead of learning how to properly break down a pattern and make it a learning experience, you are just trying to play around 5 no matter what?

The newer oilers aren't supposed to hook at your toe, that way they're actually more useful as you have to move your feet and eyes and no one wants to beat you up outside for wrecking the shim. There IS a reason why particle fell out of favor...
Good points, modern day oilers don't hook at your toes like the older stuff so how does that make them "stronger" than the old stuff?

Some people like to see reaction at the arrows. A large majority of  us like to see reaction downlane, you know, by the pins.
I bet most of those people don't bowl (or practice) on a flat, flooded pattern applied to a slick brunswick proanvilane surface. 320-400 grit is completely justified when even 1000 grit causes your ball to nearly back up downlane.

I actually agree with Impending Doom (for the most). Today's oilers are designed to allow you to open your angles better as opposed to going all nuclear in the heads and mids. I even said that during the transition, the Sure Lock and Rising gave me the best look moving in.

So apparently when people say that today's oilers are stronger than the one's from the particle era, they mean stronger on the backend, correct? I never thought of it like that to be honest.

The average bowler when talking about hook means what they see on the back end.

I am trying to picture the line you are playing but your standing on 8 and leaking to 5 is confusing to me.  Where do you lay the ball down at?

If I stand on 8 (RH), then I am laying the ball down about the 1 board. 
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Re: The perpetual overhyping of the latest oil balls
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2018, 09:58:02 PM »
OK, let's break this down, shall we?

You took 3 symmetrical high load particle balls, and 1 assymetrical high load particle ball, and then 2 newer high end oilers (Don't think there's any particle in either of those) and hit them all with 320 grit scotch brite.

You're bowling on a 43 foot high volume condition (by yourself, I assume?) and you're trying to play a belly to 5 board?

So you're

1) Trying to play a part of the lane that shouldn't be played, WITH head belly.
2) Complaining about how the newer oilers you have in the bag aren't working as well as the older particle balls you have when playing a part of the lane that you shouldn't be playing.

LET'S START WITH THE OBVIOUS.

Move your feet. Your break point should be about 11 or 12 at the end of the pattern.

TOO MUCH SURFACE. TOO MUCH. TOO MUCH. (Let me repeat it for goodness sake) TOO MUCH. On a longer pattern, you need response, not the ball going all Hiroshima on the heads. So your idea to get the ball started as early as possible doesn't work on this situation. The newer oil patterns dictate that you use faster response on a longer pattern, slower response on a shorter pattern. 320 on a high load particle ball is just obscene.

So, instead of learning how to properly break down a pattern and make it a learning experience, you are just trying to play around 5 no matter what?

The newer oilers aren't supposed to hook at your toe, that way they're actually more useful as you have to move your feet and eyes and no one wants to beat you up outside for wrecking the shim. There IS a reason why particle fell out of favor...
Good points, modern day oilers don't hook at your toes like the older stuff so how does that make them "stronger" than the old stuff?

Some people like to see reaction at the arrows. A large majority of  us like to see reaction downlane, you know, by the pins.
I bet most of those people don't bowl (or practice) on a flat, flooded pattern applied to a slick brunswick proanvilane surface. 320-400 grit is completely justified when even 1000 grit causes your ball to nearly back up downlane.

I actually agree with Impending Doom (for the most). Today's oilers are designed to allow you to open your angles better as opposed to going all nuclear in the heads and mids. I even said that during the transition, the Sure Lock and Rising gave me the best look moving in.

So apparently when people say that today's oilers are stronger than the one's from the particle era, they mean stronger on the backend, correct? I never thought of it like that to be honest.


In all seriousness 320 grit is abuse. You’re rev rate must be sub 100 rpms in conjunction with those new anvilanes being installed yesterday to justify this much surface in competition. The old balls at that grit gets you through practice at best and you better be throwing frozen ropes (no belly or tugging inside of target) or people will be very upset with you.
Nope, my rev rate is in the low 400s.

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Re: The perpetual overhyping of the latest oil balls
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2018, 10:28:40 PM »
OK, let's break this down, shall we?

You took 3 symmetrical high load particle balls, and 1 assymetrical high load particle ball, and then 2 newer high end oilers (Don't think there's any particle in either of those) and hit them all with 320 grit scotch brite.

You're bowling on a 43 foot high volume condition (by yourself, I assume?) and you're trying to play a belly to 5 board?

So you're

1) Trying to play a part of the lane that shouldn't be played, WITH head belly.
2) Complaining about how the newer oilers you have in the bag aren't working as well as the older particle balls you have when playing a part of the lane that you shouldn't be playing.

LET'S START WITH THE OBVIOUS.

Move your feet. Your break point should be about 11 or 12 at the end of the pattern.

TOO MUCH SURFACE. TOO MUCH. TOO MUCH. (Let me repeat it for goodness sake) TOO MUCH. On a longer pattern, you need response, not the ball going all Hiroshima on the heads. So your idea to get the ball started as early as possible doesn't work on this situation. The newer oil patterns dictate that you use faster response on a longer pattern, slower response on a shorter pattern. 320 on a high load particle ball is just obscene.

So, instead of learning how to properly break down a pattern and make it a learning experience, you are just trying to play around 5 no matter what?

The newer oilers aren't supposed to hook at your toe, that way they're actually more useful as you have to move your feet and eyes and no one wants to beat you up outside for wrecking the shim. There IS a reason why particle fell out of favor...
Good points, modern day oilers don't hook at your toes like the older stuff so how does that make them "stronger" than the old stuff?

Some people like to see reaction at the arrows. A large majority of  us like to see reaction downlane, you know, by the pins.
I bet most of those people don't bowl (or practice) on a flat, flooded pattern applied to a slick brunswick proanvilane surface. 320-400 grit is completely justified when even 1000 grit causes your ball to nearly back up downlane.

I actually agree with Impending Doom (for the most). Today's oilers are designed to allow you to open your angles better as opposed to going all nuclear in the heads and mids. I even said that during the transition, the Sure Lock and Rising gave me the best look moving in.

So apparently when people say that today's oilers are stronger than the one's from the particle era, they mean stronger on the backend, correct? I never thought of it like that to be honest.

The average bowler when talking about hook means what they see on the back end.

I am trying to picture the line you are playing but your standing on 8 and leaking to 5 is confusing to me.  Where do you lay the ball down at?

If I stand on 8 (RH), then I am laying the ball down about the 1 board.
I figured, my idea of a strong ball is TRACTION in oil.

I would know for sure it I video taped myself but I do know that I have a habit of drifting to the left on my approach and sliding left of where I initially start. I also get the ball so close to my ankle that I have been told that I hit my pant leg on every shot. 
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Re: The perpetual overhyping of the latest oil balls
« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2018, 10:50:10 PM »
OK, let's break this down, shall we?

You took 3 symmetrical high load particle balls, and 1 assymetrical high load particle ball, and then 2 newer high end oilers (Don't think there's any particle in either of those) and hit them all with 320 grit scotch brite.

You're bowling on a 43 foot high volume condition (by yourself, I assume?) and you're trying to play a belly to 5 board?

So you're

1) Trying to play a part of the lane that shouldn't be played, WITH head belly.
2) Complaining about how the newer oilers you have in the bag aren't working as well as the older particle balls you have when playing a part of the lane that you shouldn't be playing.

LET'S START WITH THE OBVIOUS.

Move your feet. Your break point should be about 11 or 12 at the end of the pattern.

TOO MUCH SURFACE. TOO MUCH. TOO MUCH. (Let me repeat it for goodness sake) TOO MUCH. On a longer pattern, you need response, not the ball going all Hiroshima on the heads. So your idea to get the ball started as early as possible doesn't work on this situation. The newer oil patterns dictate that you use faster response on a longer pattern, slower response on a shorter pattern. 320 on a high load particle ball is just obscene.

So, instead of learning how to properly break down a pattern and make it a learning experience, you are just trying to play around 5 no matter what?

The newer oilers aren't supposed to hook at your toe, that way they're actually more useful as you have to move your feet and eyes and no one wants to beat you up outside for wrecking the shim. There IS a reason why particle fell out of favor...
Good points, modern day oilers don't hook at your toes like the older stuff so how does that make them "stronger" than the old stuff?

Some people like to see reaction at the arrows. A large majority of  us like to see reaction downlane, you know, by the pins.
I bet most of those people don't bowl (or practice) on a flat, flooded pattern applied to a slick brunswick proanvilane surface. 320-400 grit is completely justified when even 1000 grit causes your ball to nearly back up downlane.

I actually agree with Impending Doom (for the most). Today's oilers are designed to allow you to open your angles better as opposed to going all nuclear in the heads and mids. I even said that during the transition, the Sure Lock and Rising gave me the best look moving in.

So apparently when people say that today's oilers are stronger than the one's from the particle era, they mean stronger on the backend, correct? I never thought of it like that to be honest.


In all seriousness 320 grit is abuse. You’re rev rate must be sub 100 rpms in conjunction with those new anvilanes being installed yesterday to justify this much surface in competition. The old balls at that grit gets you through practice at best and you better be throwing frozen ropes (no belly or tugging inside of target) or people will be very upset with you.
Nope, my rev rate is in the low 400s.


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Re: The perpetual overhyping of the latest oil balls
« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2018, 10:54:43 PM »
OK, let's break this down, shall we?

You took 3 symmetrical high load particle balls, and 1 assymetrical high load particle ball, and then 2 newer high end oilers (Don't think there's any particle in either of those) and hit them all with 320 grit scotch brite.

You're bowling on a 43 foot high volume condition (by yourself, I assume?) and you're trying to play a belly to 5 board?

So you're

1) Trying to play a part of the lane that shouldn't be played, WITH head belly.
2) Complaining about how the newer oilers you have in the bag aren't working as well as the older particle balls you have when playing a part of the lane that you shouldn't be playing.

LET'S START WITH THE OBVIOUS.

Move your feet. Your break point should be about 11 or 12 at the end of the pattern.

TOO MUCH SURFACE. TOO MUCH. TOO MUCH. (Let me repeat it for goodness sake) TOO MUCH. On a longer pattern, you need response, not the ball going all Hiroshima on the heads. So your idea to get the ball started as early as possible doesn't work on this situation. The newer oil patterns dictate that you use faster response on a longer pattern, slower response on a shorter pattern. 320 on a high load particle ball is just obscene.

So, instead of learning how to properly break down a pattern and make it a learning experience, you are just trying to play around 5 no matter what?

The newer oilers aren't supposed to hook at your toe, that way they're actually more useful as you have to move your feet and eyes and no one wants to beat you up outside for wrecking the shim. There IS a reason why particle fell out of favor...
Good points, modern day oilers don't hook at your toes like the older stuff so how does that make them "stronger" than the old stuff?

Some people like to see reaction at the arrows. A large majority of  us like to see reaction downlane, you know, by the pins.
I bet most of those people don't bowl (or practice) on a flat, flooded pattern applied to a slick brunswick proanvilane surface. 320-400 grit is completely justified when even 1000 grit causes your ball to nearly back up downlane.

I actually agree with Impending Doom (for the most). Today's oilers are designed to allow you to open your angles better as opposed to going all nuclear in the heads and mids. I even said that during the transition, the Sure Lock and Rising gave me the best look moving in.

So apparently when people say that today's oilers are stronger than the one's from the particle era, they mean stronger on the backend, correct? I never thought of it like that to be honest.

The average bowler when talking about hook means what they see on the back end.

I am trying to picture the line you are playing but your standing on 8 and leaking to 5 is confusing to me.  Where do you lay the ball down at?

If I stand on 8 (RH), then I am laying the ball down about the 1 board.
I figured, my idea of a strong ball is TRACTION in oil.

I would know for sure it I video taped myself but I do know that I have a habit of drifting to the left on my approach and sliding left of where I initially start. I also get the ball so close to my ankle that I have been told that I hit my pant leg on every shot. 

Then you have a lot of left to right in your game and it’s physically impossible for you to go up the lane, thus you need absurd surface to get the ball to “read” because you cannot go up the lane.
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Re: The perpetual overhyping of the latest oil balls
« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2018, 11:45:35 PM »
OK, let's break this down, shall we?

You took 3 symmetrical high load particle balls, and 1 assymetrical high load particle ball, and then 2 newer high end oilers (Don't think there's any particle in either of those) and hit them all with 320 grit scotch brite.

You're bowling on a 43 foot high volume condition (by yourself, I assume?) and you're trying to play a belly to 5 board?

So you're

1) Trying to play a part of the lane that shouldn't be played, WITH head belly.
2) Complaining about how the newer oilers you have in the bag aren't working as well as the older particle balls you have when playing a part of the lane that you shouldn't be playing.

LET'S START WITH THE OBVIOUS.

Move your feet. Your break point should be about 11 or 12 at the end of the pattern.

TOO MUCH SURFACE. TOO MUCH. TOO MUCH. (Let me repeat it for goodness sake) TOO MUCH. On a longer pattern, you need response, not the ball going all Hiroshima on the heads. So your idea to get the ball started as early as possible doesn't work on this situation. The newer oil patterns dictate that you use faster response on a longer pattern, slower response on a shorter pattern. 320 on a high load particle ball is just obscene.

So, instead of learning how to properly break down a pattern and make it a learning experience, you are just trying to play around 5 no matter what?

The newer oilers aren't supposed to hook at your toe, that way they're actually more useful as you have to move your feet and eyes and no one wants to beat you up outside for wrecking the shim. There IS a reason why particle fell out of favor...
Good points, modern day oilers don't hook at your toes like the older stuff so how does that make them "stronger" than the old stuff?

Some people like to see reaction at the arrows. A large majority of  us like to see reaction downlane, you know, by the pins.
I bet most of those people don't bowl (or practice) on a flat, flooded pattern applied to a slick brunswick proanvilane surface. 320-400 grit is completely justified when even 1000 grit causes your ball to nearly back up downlane.

I actually agree with Impending Doom (for the most). Today's oilers are designed to allow you to open your angles better as opposed to going all nuclear in the heads and mids. I even said that during the transition, the Sure Lock and Rising gave me the best look moving in.

So apparently when people say that today's oilers are stronger than the one's from the particle era, they mean stronger on the backend, correct? I never thought of it like that to be honest.

The average bowler when talking about hook means what they see on the back end.

I am trying to picture the line you are playing but your standing on 8 and leaking to 5 is confusing to me.  Where do you lay the ball down at?

If I stand on 8 (RH), then I am laying the ball down about the 1 board.
I figured, my idea of a strong ball is TRACTION in oil.

I would know for sure it I video taped myself but I do know that I have a habit of drifting to the left on my approach and sliding left of where I initially start. I also get the ball so close to my ankle that I have been told that I hit my pant leg on every shot. 

Then you have a lot of left to right in your game and it’s physically impossible for you to go up the lane, thus you need absurd surface to get the ball to “read” because you cannot go up the lane.
There you go! That actually makes complete sense now that I think about it. My habit of going with a ton of surface (on flatter patterns) is a by-product of having a lot of left to right in my game. It also explains why I ALWAYS make angular adjustments with my targeting during the transition.   

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Re: The perpetual overhyping of the latest oil balls
« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2018, 12:05:13 AM »
Been there, you have to get your footwork squared away or this will always be an issue.
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Re: The perpetual overhyping of the latest oil balls
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2018, 07:14:11 AM »
"Know it alls" though.....


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« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2018, 08:43:21 AM »
"Know it alls" though.....
Yeah, you are. I know EXACTLY what I was bowling on and I am tired of people trying to gaslighting me and misrepresenting what I said.

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Re: The perpetual overhyping of the latest oil balls
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2018, 09:07:16 AM »
"Know it alls" though.....
Yeah, you are. I know EXACTLY what I was bowling on and I am tired of people trying to gaslighting me and misrepresenting what I said.
Honestly, I felt this was an imprtant topic. There are special cases when it's best to have the ball read the lane super early without pushing the oil down the lane. Especially when most bowlers equate downlane motion to ball strength. Why take someone that realizes a ball that isn't looking to use all of it's energy quickly is generally a weaker ball and look to bash/ridicule them for asking a question? If anything, it's a good time to educate. Usually when I see people asking a question regarding oilers, wveryone makes them seem stupid bg drilling the concept that the new oilers hook at their toes. I understand both sides, but this could have been handled differently.
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