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HamPster

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Won't happen, and I don't believe it.  There is no possible way for anyone to keep their thumb straight and relaxed inside of a 15+ pound bowling ball.  There is no way that you can have your thumbhole tight enough that it will hold onto your thumb and still give you a clean release.  And there's certainly no way you can do this with a straight elbow and cupped wrist.  The textbooks can go to hell, it don't work.  Now if anybody can explain how I'm supposed to do this, I'll be forever indebted.  Forever.  I still haven't gotten around to ordering any Magic Carpet yet, but I'm hoping that I can fix the biggest problem first, which is me, most likely.  First of all, everyone has to bend their thumb a little, or else you'd just be holding on with the knuckle (front side of the hole, not the back).  Second, you can't relax your thumb in a 15 pound object, unless it's holding onto you.  And thirdly, like I've already said, there's no WAY you can get a clean release with a thumbhole being that tight to begin with.  Please help!!!
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HamPster

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Re: The physical impossibility of keeping your thumb straight and relaxed
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2003, 12:41:07 PM »
That makes more sense.  I think my stuff might still be just a tad too long, and the adjustment to letting my thumb out of the ball easier is hard to get down because I always think I'm going to drop the ball.  I try to keep it relaxed during the entire swing, and that's what gets me in trouble.  I mean, I don't suppose it matters if you grip the ball like crazy as long as you relax it at the right time, the release.  And my arm is still a little weak, I suppose.  Thanks.
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Re: The physical impossibility of keeping your thumb straight and relaxed
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2003, 01:17:24 PM »
Boy did I get a lesson on the death grip. I though my arm was relaxed but it was not. I was squeezing way too much.

the guy did a few things. he told me to set up. them he checked if my fingers were tense or relaxed then he squeezed my biceps and then it it me on how tight I was holding on. even though it didn't feel like it.

next he had me take the ball with my hand in it and place it on top of a high surface(above waist) then told me don't hold on to the ball and walk backwards.

as soon as the ball fell off the countertop I stopped it. then he had me do this a few times until it fell by gravity and not me holding it back.

SO do you have to hold on to the ball with your thumb. yes. just way less than you think.

by the way the increase in speed was amazing compared to me doing nothing.
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HamPster

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Re: The physical impossibility of keeping your thumb straight and relaxed
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2003, 01:17:29 PM »
Yeah, it's just hard to make the decision to put forward pitch in there, cause I've always needed a good amount of bevel because I used to pinch a nerve in my thumb, but my span's always been at least a quarter inch too long.  Been steadily shortening it, and I think it's going to end up around 4 1/4th for both sides, and it was 4 5/8ths for the longest time.  Then I started lengthening it and adding reverse and left . .  I've got a test ball I can put a million holes in though, suppose I ought to start doing that again so I don't put a million holes in everything I have.  Changed the slug in my Time Zone twice now, and probably gonna take a third.  Just drilled a Power Groove Saturday, and I already am gonna have to change that slug.  Have a couple more balls that have been fully plugged at least once.
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HamPster

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Re: The physical impossibility of keeping your thumb straight and relaxed
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2003, 01:59:24 PM »
Yeah, that's kinda what I thought too!  I don't have a lot of speed at the release, but I think that my problem is my span is too long and I have too much reverse.  I'm at 1/4th reverse, which is pretty normal for my span length, but I'm thinking you're right.  Lol, I have a Hit that I haven't used much, and a plastic ball, so I might go to work on both of them.
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TyLytle

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Re: The physical impossibility of keeping your thumb straight and relaxed
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2003, 12:23:48 AM »
How I learned to keep my thumb straight and not squeeze the ball
was to not bevel the thumb hole very much at all. Left it kinda sharp. this will let you know real quick when your thumb is bent and you are squeezing the ball.

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Re: The physical impossibility of keeping your thumb straight and relaxed
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2003, 12:29:05 AM »
Hamster, you work in a pro shop and you can't even get your own span right?  A quarter inch long, that's huge.

HamPster

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Re: The physical impossibility of keeping your thumb straight and relaxed
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2003, 12:29:09 AM »
Yeah, I tried that, but my span was too long, so it didn't work too well.  I think I'm gonna do that when I finally get my span right.
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Re: The physical impossibility of keeping your thumb straight and relaxed
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2003, 04:29:40 PM »
Well Hamster, for me, I bowl my best when the ball can hang freely by my side and my thumb relaxed and the only thing holding my thumb in there is the grip on the front of my thumb.  I think my hand being relaxed causes the muscles in my hand to try and contract more then they are when they are in my bowling ball.  My hand is just barely stretched when I'm holding my ball, and it causes the front of my thumb to just barely grip the thumb hole.  Rarely does this happen for me though, do to weather and thumb swelling and such.  I can usually get a clean release then because when the ball is moving at that speed at the bottom of my downswing, it comes off.  But yes, I think everyone has to squeeze a little.

As for people bending their thumb, it still doesn't seem natural for me.  If I need to grip the ball more, I tend to squeeze with the base of my thumb more then the tip, so I guess my thumb has always been kind of straight.  It's pretty rough though on the base of my thumb though, taking into account the number of times the skin just tears when my thumb swells too much.

And about shorter span, it does seem to help me from squeezing the ball.  I had a ball drilled about a year ago, and I think my span is about 1/16" shorter or so now and I tend to grip at that ball less.

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Re: The physical impossibility of keeping your thumb straight and relaxed
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2003, 05:23:00 PM »
Interesting technique.  I think I've been doing that the whole time without noticing it is different then a normal grip.  Fair warning though, the tugging and pulling on the base of the thumb though is quite rough on the skin.