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David Lee Yskes

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about Chris Barnes
« on: October 21, 2003, 11:30:32 AM »
Ok first off, i am not a real big Chris Barnes fan, basically cuz he is with Brunswick YUCK!  But this guy does have probably the best young Talent out on the tour though.

And i think his big problem is that he does use Brunswick, and thats why he does leave tenpins.  I mean if you look at when he is on TV, and leaving tenpins left n right, do the others leave ten pins left n right?  And what equipment are they using?  

I mean the only other time i seen everyone else leaving alot of tenpins when Barnes was, was at the Empire Open, when Delutz beat him in the Finals.


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Re: about Chris Barnes
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2003, 02:56:41 AM »
I don't think his using Brunswick and leaving tens is what keeps him from winning. I mean, if he couldnt strike with the stuff he'd never get into the finals in the first place. The stereotype of "early hooking Brunswick junk" has really out of date. It's true that most of the Zone's were arc monsters, but that can't be said about all of the new stuff. Just look at the Slay/R or even the Inferno.
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Re: about Chris Barnes
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2003, 03:57:15 AM »
This post is sooooo ignorant that I'm not even going to respond! That's a first for me! (you can't count this as a response).

David Lee Yskes

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Re: about Chris Barnes
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2003, 04:37:49 AM »
well, if it isnt the equipment that is causing him to leave the corner pins left n right, then i dont know what it is.  I mean i cant really say its his angle of entry to the pocket, or that he doesnt have the power.  

Maybe he should try different layouts that give him more power on the backend.  I mean i seen one of his ball with the pin really low on the ball to make it set up early.  

But i mean you would think the guys at brunswick or whom ever is giving him advice on his layouts would have corrected the problem by now.  But i mean obviously he is scoring during qualifying and match play.  

I would dare say that he is nervous lol.  As much as he is on tv, But who knows, I do think he might benifit from a different company though.   But what do i know lol.  I am just some shmoe who watched bowling on TV.
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Re: about Chris Barnes
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2003, 07:20:41 AM »
when walter ray williams, jr., was a member of ebonites staff he left a lot of 10 pins. when he was with brunswick he left a lot of 10 pins. when he was with hammer he left a lot of 10 pins. and now as an independent he leaves a lot of 10 pins. why ? because he hits the pocket more than anybody---therefore he leaves a lot of 10 pins. it's not the brand of equipment. leaving 10 pins is part of the game. NOBODY strikes on every shot----especially on that level.

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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2003, 08:47:44 AM »
The sooner we all admit that Duke got lucky (as he himself admitted) the better off we will be.  A friend of mine and I analyzed the replays and Duke was going half pocket right along with Barnes.  Duke just got the breaks at the key moments.  But, no what I keep hearing is that he played the lanes right and so on.  Ha, his ball was actually hitting worse than Barnes.  They both had some solid hits, but those half pockets would creep in from time to time.  In fact Barnes actually had more backend based on our study.  In addition Barnes had a solid 8 and that proves his ball was hitting strong.  

Instead what I hear is that Duke knocked them down so he played the lanes right and of story. Go back and look at Duke's shots if you have it on tape and you'll see what I mean.  

Face it, bad breaks and good breaks will happen.  You can't eliminate a 10 pin from your game.  Chances are you leave them every night you bowl.  It's part of the game.  So quit trying to figure out something that basically comes down to getting the key breaks at the right time.  It wasn't Barnes ball layout, angle entry or anything else. Given another day he would have probably carried with the same ball.  How often have you walked in and couldn't carry and next week with the same ball you're ripping the rack?  We used to strike in the 1970's with practically NO HOOK.  We DIDN'T have all these hook monsters back then.  We lived with 10 pins back then and we still do now.  

Also, because Barnes left 10 pins, suddenly he's no good.  I find that so funny and stupid.  How often do YOU leave 10 pins?  I leave 3-5 every night because I'm in the pocket all the time.  Most of the time they are ringing 10's and I move on.

Edited on 10/22/2003 8:58 AM
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Re: about Chris Barnes
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2003, 09:46:25 AM »
I think there is something to what is going on with Barnes, see axis tilt above!

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Re: about Chris Barnes
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2003, 11:05:02 AM »
Blaming corner pins on equipment, in my viewpoint, is one of the biggest reasons this sport has gone down the tubes.  Not striking, it's the ball's fault.  Go brooklyn, the house doesn't know how to lay a shot down.  Average dropped 5 pins, my pro shop guy drilled my new ball wrong.... it's everyone's fault but your own.

When are you people going to start taking ownership for your actions?!!

Barnes gets tapped a lot.  He throws a "man weight" (16lbs) ball 20 mph.  Think he's going to get tapped? Uh... yeah.  But he bowls in my region and I've seen him win games by carrying the frigging world with light hits because he has the pin action.

Please don't accuse Barnes of not knowing what he's doing.  He's got more knowledge than skill and more skill than any of us.  Brunswick designs balls so that he can be successful.  It's in their best interest for him to do well.  

I'll tell you what.  Go up to him and tell him you know how to lay his equipment out.  Just let me know so I can bring a camera.  I can't wait to see the look on his face.  While you are at it, tell Tiger Woods you think you could help him with his putting game. Tell Shaq you can help him land more dunks.

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Edited on 10/22/2003 11:19 AM

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Re: about Chris Barnes
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2003, 12:11:01 PM »
Great points Tony.  We get a chance to see Barnes bowl more than we care too.  I watched Chris throw some test balls from Brunswick a few months ago.  He was amazing in a situation like that.  The balls were blank and he didn't know a thing about them.  He could toss it up 3 with very little hand and strike, move to 5th arrow, come around the ball and strike.

It has nothing to do with the ball company.  Chris is a striking machine! That's why he makes so many shows.

BTW Tony,  Are you bowling Ft. Smith?  I think I'll give it a shot.  I'm ready to break out a slump
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Re: about Chris Barnes
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2003, 12:20:36 PM »
The reason why Barnes leaves probaly the most tenpins on tour is due to his release.  Bottom line.  Barnes comes right up the back of the ball(if you look at most Witchita State bowlers most of them do) which makes the continuous hooking shape of the ball decrease greatly.  Therefore not enough angle through the pins to kick the 3 into the 6 into the 10.  The ball is hitting the pocket and backing off into the 6 pin which causes it to fall short of the 10 pin.
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Re: about Chris Barnes
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2003, 12:52:27 PM »
The PBA stats indicate that Barnes threw more strikes than anyone else last year. That fact was mentioned on the telecast last week or the week before. These guys are so good that they could score with plastic ball.