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TWOHAND834

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The Urethane vs Short Pin Video
« on: February 07, 2020, 03:09:03 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5nhjZLF6nU

This is a great demonstration on the difference between the 2.  This is why I usually prefer the short pin layout.  It seems to give more continuation more consistently whereas the urethane seems to almost quit at times as the Squatch splits the 8-9 whereas the urethane has some deflection to it.  There are some slow motion shots and even overlay with both balls to really see the difference.
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Re: The Urethane vs Short Pin Video
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2020, 02:51:51 PM »

Watching so many people trying to throw urethane laying the ball down on 20 or 25 and swing it is just funny. Flat 10s followed by 2-8 and 2-8-10s for days.

Same can be said for the person who insists on throwing their UFO on a wood surface across the middle trying to cover all 40 boards (and shooting 150) .... I gotta deal with that too....

If more people would drill the right stuff instead of buying the next new shiny object everyone says you need, we all might see scores go up and have more fun in the process.  I HATE to say it, but too many bowlers have no clue about equipment or lane play.

For example:  My PSO told me about the 2 handed kid who came in insisting on a Phase 3 ... so he drilled it for him... and the kid came back complaining about it because it wasn't earlier than his ProMotion  :o   -- I mean .. what do you say to that?

As a proshop employee you can try and ask questions to better help someone select the better option for their style and conditions….. But if they say they want balL X, Y, or Z good luck convincing them otherwise most of the time
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Re: The Urethane vs Short Pin Video
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2020, 03:14:07 PM »
How does that 2" pin Squatch look on a 32-33' pattern?

I wouldnt a ball of that strength on a 32 foot pattern even if it was a short pin.  If I am going to use a short pin ball on a pattern that short then I am using something entry level like a Twist or Messenger and even then the pattern may be too short.  I am not saying there isnt a spot for urethane.  My question is this.  How often are you going to be on a 32 foot pattern?  Most of us are rarely going to bowl on patterns that short.


The point is where most "pros" use urethane are on short patterns with high friction down lane.  Low volume and shorter distance patterns urethane is a great option.  Reactive with short or really long pins are going to be far more reactive.  Watching people use urethane on most house conditions doesnt look good. 

I saw the pros do it on tv and my proshop guy recommended it for me on drier conditions.  Typically what we hear. 

As you mentioned since most don't bowl on those kinds of conditions most will never need urethane or likely have much success with it.  If your left handed its a different story

What do you mean by it being a different story for lefty’s?

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Re: The Urethane vs Short Pin Video
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2020, 03:15:31 PM »
As a former PSO; that gets difficult at times.  Crazy how many people run to pro shops because they watched a telecast and saw a tour player bowl well with a particular ball.  Wonder how many Prisms were sold after TJ shot 300 on TV.  Same could be said about Pitch Blacks and Purple Hammers after Jesper and Jakob had monster seasons. 

All a PSO can really do is educate the customer and try and point them in the right direction.  But ultimately it is the customer spending the money. 
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Re: The Urethane vs Short Pin Video
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2020, 04:29:48 PM »
How does that 2" pin Squatch look on a 32-33' pattern?

I wouldnt a ball of that strength on a 32 foot pattern even if it was a short pin.  If I am going to use a short pin ball on a pattern that short then I am using something entry level like a Twist or Messenger and even then the pattern may be too short.  I am not saying there isnt a spot for urethane.  My question is this.  How often are you going to be on a 32 foot pattern?  Most of us are rarely going to bowl on patterns that short.


The point is where most "pros" use urethane are on short patterns with high friction down lane.  Low volume and shorter distance patterns urethane is a great option.  Reactive with short or really long pins are going to be far more reactive.  Watching people use urethane on most house conditions doesnt look good. 

I saw the pros do it on tv and my proshop guy recommended it for me on drier conditions.  Typically what we hear. 

As you mentioned since most don't bowl on those kinds of conditions most will never need urethane or likely have much success with it.  If your left handed its a different story

What do you mean by it being a different story for lefty’s?

Lefty's see less transition so they do not have to get deep with urethane generally.  If they are high rev they can play the twig and go around the pattern ala Buttruff and still carry for an entire session.  Belmo (righty) on the other hand uses reactives much more often because he has to move in and still turn the corner and carry.
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Re: The Urethane vs Short Pin Video
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2020, 10:10:32 PM »
On house and even "patterns" ive seen lefties use urethane on the gutter and have a look righties wouldn't.

Watching a lefty play outside of second arrow with urethane on a house condition where the righties would be running away Brooklyn trying to play the same shot.

On "sport conditions" ive seen lefties hooking urethane off the gutter on conditions where a righty couldn't get a reactive ball to pick up out there.  Ive not tried throwing urethane on those heavier conditions where lefties seem to have a look. Urethane isnt something I keep in the bag for those tournaments.
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Re: The Urethane vs Short Pin Video
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2020, 09:27:21 PM »
Count me down once again for short pin.  Scored a Rhino Pro purple (Brunswick's first reactive) off ebay for a good price.  Little irked seller lied about weight (closer to light 16# than 15 but wow does that ball hit.  Being super weak reactive along with low diff core (similar core as Faball Hammers AFAIK) super controllable even on the burn.  Think going to throw it at league this week even at the heavier weight.  Love my Slingshot and it hits well but man does it punish me on misses in.  Also scored an OG Cuda/C for $3 plus shipping might have to try as well if Rhino doesn't work out. 
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Re: The Urethane vs Short Pin Video
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2020, 09:25:24 PM »
Tried that Rhino Pro purple tonight and shot second best series of the season and broke me out of slump in big way.  Control of urethane and hit of reactive on light oil.  Brunswick did pretty good with their first reactive imo. 
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Re: The Urethane vs Short Pin Video
« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2020, 01:16:37 AM »
Tried that Rhino Pro purple tonight and shot second best series of the season and broke me out of slump in big way.  Control of urethane and hit of reactive on light oil.  Brunswick did pretty good with their first reactive imo.
The Purple Rhino Pro has a surprising good backend on dry conditions today. I have one still. It is not snappy in a modern sense but it goes very long and covers boards on dry as long as you have a lot of hand and a lot of friction of course. I would not say "control of urethane" because it rolls NOTHING like urethane but it does allow a heavy-handed bowler to move into the friction and still get length and create backend reaction in a readable manner. No slighting intended BowlingForDounts; I just believe the Purple Rhino Pro just gives a FAR different look than urethane to be honest. My AMF Black Ninja has an identical look to the Purple Rhino Pro.Very long with a strong enough backend to shape on dry lanes.

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Re: The Urethane vs Short Pin Video
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2020, 10:15:48 AM »
Tried that Rhino Pro purple tonight and shot second best series of the season and broke me out of slump in big way.  Control of urethane and hit of reactive on light oil.  Brunswick did pretty good with their first reactive imo.
The Purple Rhino Pro has a surprising good backend on dry conditions today. I have one still. It is not snappy in a modern sense but it goes very long and covers boards on dry as long as you have a lot of hand and a lot of friction of course. I would not say "control of urethane" because it rolls NOTHING like urethane but it does allow a heavy-handed bowler to move into the friction and still get length and create backend reaction in a readable manner. No slighting intended BowlingForDounts; I just believe the Purple Rhino Pro just gives a FAR different look than urethane to be honest. My AMF Black Ninja has an identical look to the Purple Rhino Pro.Very long with a strong enough backend to shape on dry lanes.

No offense taken and I agree its a totally different shape to urethane just that it tends to not punish misses in when you get too much at the bottom which reminds of my purple hammer (Slingshot can be nasty squirty when do that).  If you are willing to play straighter which is my A game don't even need a ton of hand to throw it but do need a lot of friction which this house has in spades.
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