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avabob

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Three things I believe
« on: May 01, 2018, 03:28:02 PM »
1.  If you can't play anywhere from the gutter to 4th arrow, having a big arsenal won't help you

2.  If you can't hit the pocket with every ball in your bag on most conditions, balance holes aren't going to help you

3.  Taking 4 or 5 balls to league on a house shot is like taking 14 clubs to a pitch and putt

 

avabob

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Re: Three things I believe
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2018, 10:43:54 PM »
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badbeard

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Re: Three things I believe
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2018, 11:29:30 PM »
So sad when some players always have the same shot in their home house. The house I bowl in never has the same condition every night is different.So different balls are needed by me. House shot or not it is never the same. Why does any player care how many balls I bring in I can only use one at a time. How many I own is only my business. Just bowl your best when you bowl and forget the other players personal equipment. 
 

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Re: Three things I believe
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2018, 12:53:32 AM »
Hack:  I have said a hundred times that if my roll matches up I can probably score with any ball in my bag.  If it doesn't I could drill out the whole pro shop and not carry.  Sounds like we are of similar minds
Can you provide some further insight on this? I'm not on the train of just ball changing to fix every problem or something like that, but sometimes it seems necessary to get the job done in my scratch league. Probably just not good enough with tricks on roll or something. Try to roll it more usually makes it roll too heavy expanding to much energy and resulting in a flat 10, adjusting axis rotation works relatively well until I have to guess the amount to move and change it again every other frame, and I can't change my tilt enough to where carry changes a ton. I can generate different rolls and get there a bit differently, but doesn't solve carry issues. Definitely don't want to have to be perfect to carry when I need 240 at times to beat them.
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Re: Three things I believe
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2018, 12:59:35 AM »
Also, I promise I'm not trying to sound like a jerk. Most cases, I only throw 2 balls anyways. But there have been times when I needed something a bit quicker than my usual transition ball and others when I needed my cliff killer for the transition because nothing hooked unless it hit right of 4 downlane, the insides were super tight resulting in most balls not carrying from too long of a skid phase, and hitting right of 4 was only possible if you could hit the one board every time while still managing the moves. Anyone that didn't have a cliff killer that day shot under 175 in game 3.
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HankScorpio

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Re: Three things I believe
« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2018, 07:01:35 AM »
I bowl two leagues in the fall.

One is a first shift league with poor sidepots that I don’t bother entering. I tend to bring 2 + spare to this league. I’ll bring a couple more the first few weeks just in case they change the shot year to year, but otherwise it rarely changes.

The other is a second shift league follows either a men’s league or women’s league, depending on which lane you’re on. Sidepots are huge, and the investment in them are high. I’ll bring 5+spare to this league, and I’m glad I do. I still have a couple primary balls that TEND to roll well there, but my secondary balls have won me plenty of money.

Point is, as others have mentioned, #3 is VERY league and bowler specific.
 

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Re: Three things I believe
« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2018, 08:14:42 AM »
 :o Really?  ;)
I'm sure you are great bowler but speaking in generalities and what you believe is fine for you but why talk down to other bowlers who do things you don't? I bowl to have a good time and hope every who bowls has a good time. I like to win pots, win games, etc. and I don't want to lose because I left a ball home that could have given me a better shape to carry the corner. I bowl with the nicest old timers (great bowlers for their ages) who break chops on me when I bring my "arsenal" all in fun and every time I answer why "because I bought them" and then offer to carry their balls too!


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Re: Three things I believe
« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2018, 08:39:25 AM »
To avabob's credit he did title this thread "Three things I believe".  He did not label it "Three indisputable truths".

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Re: Three things I believe
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2018, 09:30:01 AM »
The league I bowled the past two years just ran a 15-20ft head shot on whatever was leftover from the morning's senior leagues and open play. With it being a 60 lane center, 60 teams, depending on your lane assignments you got one of the following shots:

1- Pairs that haven't been bowled on for a day. So they have twice the load in the front and the normal house shot after that so it plays extremely slick with not much help if you miss right.

2- The 16 lanes that the senior leaguers bowl on at the high end of the house that is a 15 ft flood in the heads with normally a dry track area from the older guys throwing surface, and a lot of hold inside from their wives throwing plastic up the middle. The teams that bowl on these pairs always shoot the lights out from benefit of the extra hold in the middle and extra burn between 1st-2nd arrow

3- The middle of the house pairs where the center places all of the open play bowlers throwing plastic everywhere. After they flood the heads prior to league these pairs often have a very squirrely reaction. Not to mention actually hitting the pins and watching them slide around upright due to all of the oil carrying down to the pin deck. Makes for lots of flat 7s (for righties), flat 10s (for lefties), 8-10, 7-9, & 7-10 combinations period.

4- A mix of any of the above. I've had weeks where I was literally standing 40 with an old Puma on the left lane and standing 16 with 1000-2000 grit assymetricals on the right lane to keep pocket.

The "look" you had in this league was strictly dependent on your lane assignment or if anyone touched your pair within the past 12 hours since they only strip the lanes at 7am. I never had a gripe with guys bringing 6-8 balls in this league mainly because

1- What they choose to do with their own money & equipment doesn't affect me.
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2- If you want to be competitive in the brackets, high game, survival boards you needed to have options as lane to lane there can be drastic differences.

Not every house shot has a perfect shim in the middle and unlimited miss room right. Some can actually be hell. Last time I checked, Mike Fagan was 2nd high average in that league of 60 teams around 211 ish. Hardly your typical house shot.
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Re: Three things I believe
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2018, 09:30:33 AM »
To avabob's credit he did title this thread "Three things I believe".  He did not label it "Three indisputable truths".

Anything posted on a message board is open for debate, whether you call it belief, opinion, fact, or anything else. I’m glad he shared his thoughts, I’m also glad other people shared theirs. Debate is good, as long as it’s civil.

His 3 things really all roll up to 1 thing: If you’re valuing equipment over skill, you’re overthinking bowling. I don’t necessarily agree with all of his bullet points, but I definitely agree with that basic theme.

Getting to the pocket is easy on THS. Maintaining a high average is easy on THS. Scoring high relative to everyone in the field is NOT easy. When there are 35 210+ average bowlers in a high game jackpot on THS, just throwing the ball well may not get me that jackpot. Match up is important.

That doesn’t mean you have to make it complicated. I made it overly complicated for myself for a long time. Now I have my own things I believe:

1. If you buy a ball just to try a layout with 5* less Of a VAL angle, you’re overthinking it.
2. If you have so many balls that you can’t decide what to bring to a tournament, you’re overthinking it.
3. If your arsenal doesn’t have a pretty logical progression to it, you’re overthinking it. I prefer a progression of shape rather than strength, but to each their own.
4. Using trick layouts to make a condition specific ball will usually lead to a ball you never actually bring with you anywhere.

All of those roll up to the same theme as avabob, but he may disagree with some of my bullet points as well.




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Re: Three things I believe
« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2018, 09:41:04 AM »
Come on now, just reread #3. Just use a house ball and move your feet.

Otherwise, your taking bowling balls to a golf tournament.
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Re: Three things I believe
« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2018, 09:42:33 AM »
I didn't mean to offend anyone who enjoys using a large array of equipment, or someone who is bowling league for the fun of it and not really trying to evolve their game. 

For people who are playing the game as a sport, and are trying to challenge themselves to get better, the beliefs I expressed could have some value.

I probably should have added one more belief.  I think 80% of ball reaction is determined by your release, not by the core and surface of the ball. 

League bowlers have overwhelmingly wanted consistency in conditions for as long as I can remember.  Nothing wring with that, but typically they have always been disappointed.  It has only been the last 20 years or so that ball technology has given bowlers the hope of being able stay in their comfort zone using an arsenal.  Unfortunately it is a false hope.  Being able to make rapid  large moves is necessary even on house shots, and is more effective than going through a huge arsenal of equipment



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Re: Three things I believe
« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2018, 09:58:58 AM »
We all understand your opinion. Ok we get it ! What I want to know is why you care so much how many balls some brings ? I bowl on mixed leagues men's leagues, senior leagues and travel leagues some on wood and some on synthetic lanes. And guess what I have lots of different bowling balls. And it is because I can !!

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Re: Three things I believe
« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2018, 11:05:52 AM »
Badbeard, understand ONE thing here; Anybody can BRING as many as they desire to, BUT UNTIL A BOWLER CAN ADAPT TO HAND, SPEED, ROTATION,TILT, TRANSITION, AND ALL OF THE necessary adjustments,  Your game will NEVER evolve.

That's what avabob is also partially referring to, and I agree; I had to learn the HARD WAY.

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Re: Three things I believe
« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2018, 11:09:13 AM »
Ever since I've REDUCED my arsenal and primarly focuses mostly on all of the Dynamics of the game first, and understand how to use all of what I have to compliment my game, it's easy sailing.

Doesn't matter if I bring 1, 2, or 8, all about versatility and adjustments first, but again to each their iwn.

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Re: Three things I believe
« Reply #30 on: May 02, 2018, 11:28:23 AM »
ok ok I believe the pro's have won here. I will learn everything I need to bowl with one ball no matter the condition. And I promise not to buy any more bowling balls. NOT !!!