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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Zanatos1914 on July 06, 2007, 07:57:12 AM

Title: ThumbLess Bowlers Vs Conventional Bowlers
Post by: Zanatos1914 on July 06, 2007, 07:57:12 AM
I have notices the number of Thumbless bowlers have increased and the normal conventional bowlers has decreased alittle. I know the conventional bowlers should be able to beat a thumbless bowler hands down but its something about how they make the ball do wicked turns and destroy the pocket...

Do you think Thumbless bowlers are getting better or we aren't use to them having as much control as they do these days..
Title: Re: ThumbLess Bowlers Vs Conventional Bowlers
Post by: J_Mac on July 06, 2007, 04:01:45 PM
No thumb bowlers aren't getting that much better IMHO.  Soft THS conditions are on the rise and more and more balls are being made that capitalize on these pie shots...
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Title: Re: ThumbLess Bowlers Vs Conventional Bowlers
Post by: TWOHAND834 on July 06, 2007, 04:33:40 PM
You would be surprised at just how accurate some of the thumbless bowlers can be.  For instance:  the USBC National shot is not a cake shot by any stretch.  Yet, I know a few just from my area that are thumbless that have a career average of over 200 out there.  If you have any doubts, Osku Palermaa did make the TV Finals of the US Open a few years back and that shot is completely flat.  Just citing an example.
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Title: Re: ThumbLess Bowlers Vs Conventional Bowlers
Post by: cmchau on July 06, 2007, 04:38:38 PM
i bowl with mostly thumbless bowlers. I'm one for the 2 conventional bowlers in the group that i bowl with. They are able to get the rev n major hook on THS, but when the lanes start changing ( like getting on the dryer end), their game isn't as strong, while mines would be consistence from game to game.

But I have a thumbless friend that is learning what i tell him how and when to adjust and stuff like a conventional bowler, instead of throwing it out and hoping it hooks back in. And he's wanting to learn conventional style too, but the change is big so it will take some time.
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Title: Re: ThumbLess Bowlers Vs Conventional Bowlers
Post by: REVerse on July 06, 2007, 04:52:39 PM
Most thumbless bowlers that I have observed tend to "double dribble" or bounce the ball. Their approach looks more vertical with not much knee bend. I don't have a problem with thumbless bowlers. It is cool to watch. *BUT* Some of the YABA kids revert to no thumbing (out of frustration) when the shot starts going away. That is when I make them stop screwing around and adjust their line.
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Title: Re: ThumbLess Bowlers Vs Conventional Bowlers
Post by: J_Mac on July 06, 2007, 05:25:40 PM
quote:
You would be surprised at just how accurate some of the thumbless bowlers can be.  For instance:  the USBC National shot is not a cake shot by any stretch.  Yet, I know a few just from my area that are thumbless that have a career average of over 200 out there.  If you have any doubts, Osku Palermaa did make the TV Finals of the US Open a few years back and that shot is completely flat.  Just citing an example.



Thumbless and two-handed delivery, while similar in some regards, aren't the same thing.  Mike Miller shot a 300 on TV without his thumb, yet is outnumbered by conventional bowlers in that regard 17 to 1.
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Title: Re: ThumbLess Bowlers Vs Conventional Bowlers
Post by: BrianCRX90 on July 06, 2007, 07:27:48 PM
Most...or 90% + of these thumbless bowlers can't make spares to save their arse. Plus, most of them do not average all that high. They have their nights every now and then.
Title: Re: ThumbLess Bowlers Vs Conventional Bowlers
Post by: LuckyLefty on July 06, 2007, 07:49:01 PM
I am a big fan of thumbless bowling and two handed bowling.

In general I believe these methods have the ability to really score well on a nice blended top hat...ie higher and with more area than conventional bowling on these league type shots.

I have also seen SOME practitioners of the above methods...tear up tough shots also!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Title: Re: ThumbLess Bowlers Vs Conventional Bowlers
Post by: Atochabsh on July 06, 2007, 08:59:21 PM
I don't worry about thumbless bowlers.  

I beat them nearly every week.  Thumbless wonders I call them, or spareles wonders.  Very few get to the point where they are competative.  For those that do, go for it!  But you won't be bowling like that in 6 years and definately not in 10 years.  

We have a thumbless bowler in our association that is truely a thumbless wonder.  He's really really good. Good enough to get top ten placement in the USBC Nationals.  But he's an anomoly.  Plus he's still young enough to be able to deliver a 15 or 16 ball in such a manner.

Erin
Title: Re: ThumbLess Bowlers Vs Conventional Bowlers
Post by: ThongPrincess on July 06, 2007, 09:25:53 PM
Thumbless and two-handed bowlers are being recognized by USBC Coaching.  One of the seminars I attended advised coaches to work with rather than change the more unique styles.  In the past it was routine to change the bowler to a more conventional style, no longer.
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Title: Re: ThumbLess Bowlers Vs Conventional Bowlers
Post by: Ace on July 06, 2007, 09:34:34 PM
quote:
Most...or 90% + of these thumbless bowlers can't make spares to save their arse. Plus, most of them do not average all that high. They have their nights every now and then.


That is very true.  That is why I don't no-thumb the ball.  There are only three no-thumbers at the house I normally bowl at.  All of them have issues keeping the ball in the pocket due to the lighter shot our house puts out.  Imagine them trying to pick up 10 pins...  I know (and occasionally bowl with) one of them that's been bowling for only about 3 months.  He has never bowled using a normal release.  =/  I've tried to tell him that he needs to learn to bowl with a normal release, but he won't listen.  Teenagers...

Anyways, he'll miss EVERY single ten pin leave.  I remember one Sunday he bowled a 65 game because of all the gutter balls he threw (the lanes were dry).  He would throw from 35 out to about 7ish (righty), and the ball would end up in the left gutter, haha.  He couldn't figure out why his ball was acting that way, but I kept to myself, hoping that he would learn from his experience.  After that Sunday, I thought he would try to learn a normal release after that embarrassing game, but he still no-thumbs it...  However, I'm determined to make him learn a normal release.
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Title: Re: ThumbLess Bowlers Vs Conventional Bowlers
Post by: APheLion on July 06, 2007, 10:18:44 PM
i just came back from practice, i tried once again my 2hand release, just for fun since i got 3 free games and 1 hour free bowling

the results were ok, since they changed our shot little bit so we only have 2 dry boards outside and a very light oil from 2-10. as usual, the delivery wont do well when it dries up, but i think for flood it will work.
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Title: Re: ThumbLess Bowlers Vs Conventional Bowlers
Post by: LuckyLefty on July 06, 2007, 10:34:01 PM
I saw a two hander wipe out a one hander muscle man on a bone dry shot!

About 248 to 20X

There are some that CAN handle the dryer stuff.
As to no thumbers...Richie Sposato of lane 1 can show you how it's done!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Title: Re: ThumbLess Bowlers Vs Conventional Bowlers
Post by: BOWL119 on July 06, 2007, 11:19:34 PM
There is a guy who bowls in a league around here that throws a thumbless strike ball, but uses his thumb on his spares.

During his delivery on his first ball, he throws it straight down behind the foul line. But he has a nice smooth delivery on his second ball. I have no idea why he chooses not to use a thumb on his strike ball. According to him, he says he has better control without his thumb. Yet he averages 122, go figure...
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Title: Re: ThumbLess Bowlers Vs Conventional Bowlers
Post by: VIXIV on July 06, 2007, 11:33:50 PM
Whoo-hoo 1st post!

Anyway, I WAS a thumbless bowler as recently as 3 weeks ago when I got my 1st ball. I started doing it because I was never comfortable bowling conventionally with the house balls. But now that I have my own ball that fits to my hand, I'm never going back.
Title: Re: ThumbLess Bowlers Vs Conventional Bowlers
Post by: DON DRAPER on July 07, 2007, 12:00:09 AM
in the entire history of the pba( and that goes back to 1959 ) there has been exactly one(1) man win a national title using the no-thumb method-----and the end of his career was hastened by the wear and tear placed upon his body by the no-thumb style...........
Title: Re: ThumbLess Bowlers Vs Conventional Bowlers
Post by: BrianCRX90 on July 07, 2007, 11:47:37 AM
And that person is Mike Miller, I loved watching his game. I copied his style when I first started bowling leagues and after a season and a half I was in the 190's. I also used my thumb with corner pins and I was on my way to really perfecting it into a smooth but powerful style. I was actually watching films of PBA and watching smooth strokers and trying to develop a smooth game opposed to allot of the thumbless crankers now and just spray the ball anywhere down the lane and have no fundamentals. When it was over in early 01, after already having quad and hip problems that was no problem after severally spraining my wrist. So then I started over with the thumb back in the ball and glad I did.

Edited on 7/7/2007 11:48 AM
Title: Re: ThumbLess Bowlers Vs Conventional Bowlers
Post by: Atochabsh on July 07, 2007, 10:26:41 PM
Since I am involved with my local USBC association as a director and office employee, I am concerned with bowler retention.  When thumbless bowlers fail to get better and/or get injured they drop out of the sport.  That's bad for bowling.  

Erin
Title: Re: ThumbLess Bowlers Vs Conventional Bowlers
Post by: alloutsmith3 on July 07, 2007, 11:06:34 PM
My doubles partner for our local King of the Hills uses a no-thumb release for his stike ball. When he has to shoot certain spares he'll put his thumb in the ball. While there are some no-thumbers who are pretty accurate, most of the ones I've come across aren't very accurate at all and as soon as you put them on something with very little mistake area they go to crap.
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Title: Re: ThumbLess Bowlers Vs Conventional Bowlers
Post by: Zanatos1914 on July 09, 2007, 10:22:34 AM
Thanks for the information and the responses.  Everyone seems very knowledgeable on this site.. Also Thumbless bowling is very complicated and allot of factors are involved if u are going to be affective.. We have to read to lanes and watch for the breaking points.. Also we have to hold the ball in our hand tight to make sure we don't drop the ball also.  I purchased a Ebonite Mag Force 9000 glove to help and also to make sure the ball comes back to destroy the pins..  

Dry lanes are a problem for everyone else u are a full roller but like everything u must have the right ball and have it drilled up correctly..  

Also I carry a spare ball for pins on the right side of the lane because I don't have time to second guess myself...

Thanks again