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JohnN

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Top companies
« on: April 22, 2018, 02:19:12 PM »
So who are the top selling companies ? Seems like everywhere you turn you see Storm and Roto Grip balls. Who's next ? See a lot of hype for Brunswick-DV8-Radical but I just don't see that many of their pieces.

 

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Re: Top companies
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2018, 03:33:56 PM »
Poor Brunswick.

Jesse James

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« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2018, 04:52:26 PM »
Clearly Storm/Roto Grip. are the frontrunners, but boy oh boy, Brunswick/Radical  makes some great stuff!

I had my trusty Mag.035 this weekend at a tourney in Pennsylvania, and it saved my ass! That piece is magical, to be just a control ball!

The Katana is one of the strongest pieces I own! And I purposely drilled it WEAK!
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Re: Top companies
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2018, 06:41:13 PM »
"Own" was probably the wrong term. I have sent e mails to Brunswick and DV8 in the past and the answers all came back with a letter head that said "Brunswick-DV8-Radical" and all from the same person. Maybe associated might be better.

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Re: Top companies
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2018, 07:33:44 PM »
It’s industry reported.
The manufacturers do this themselves.
Numbers are from mid 2017 I believe and they are not off
link to this so called study please

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« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2018, 06:43:57 AM »
The manufacturers report their numbers monthly and a report is generated with the totals of balls sold by performance category.  Each company can then determine what percentage of sales they are.  There are no reports broken down by company. 

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Re: Top companies
« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2018, 11:11:45 AM »
So the reality is that NO ONE here really knows who has what percentage of ball market and a bunch of fan boys are just throwing out numbers to benefit their favorite bowling ball brand.

Why am I not surprised?
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Re: Top companies
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2018, 11:26:55 AM »
Well not really . . there are some people that are right and some that are wrong. 

So the reality is that NO ONE here really knows who has what percentage of ball market and a bunch of fan boys are just throwing out numbers to benefit their favorite bowling ball brand.

Why am I not surprised?
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Re: Top companies
« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2018, 12:42:40 PM »
So the reality is that NO ONE here really knows who has what percentage of ball market and a bunch of fan boys are just throwing out numbers to benefit their favorite bowling ball brand.

Why am I not surprised?



Kind of what you do for Motiv? Yet if someone else does it for another company you soak your tampon.......
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« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2018, 01:16:08 PM »
Well not really . . there are some people that are right and some that are wrong. 

So the reality is that NO ONE here really knows who has what percentage of ball market and a bunch of fan boys are just throwing out numbers to benefit their favorite bowling ball brand.

Why am I not surprised?

Just your "alternative facts" Luke......  :P  :P  :P  :P
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Re: Top companies
« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2018, 01:39:41 PM »
Lol so if one company can't keep up with production, and other companies have to take losses to get stuff out of the warehouse, I don't really need to see numbers to figure stuff out there. 

Well not really . . there are some people that are right and some that are wrong. 

So the reality is that NO ONE here really knows who has what percentage of ball market and a bunch of fan boys are just throwing out numbers to benefit their favorite bowling ball brand.

Why am I not surprised?

Just your "alternative facts" Luke......  :P  :P  :P  :P
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Re: Top companies
« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2018, 02:40:43 PM »
Can't keep up with production can be good marketing for build to order or sitting on a release because the previous release is outpacing projections.

The market is shrinking every year, there aren't more balls being sold to less bowlers.  I can't remember the last time I spoke to a pro shop that said they were up. 

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« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2018, 05:55:18 PM »
Can't keep up with production can be good marketing for build to order or sitting on a release because the previous release is outpacing projections.

The market is shrinking every year, there aren't more balls being sold to less bowlers.  I can't remember the last time I spoke to a pro shop that said they were up.

Yep increasing market share is great as long as the market isn't decreasing even faster else you end up being Polaroid.  Not sure what worldwide market is like but know I am middle aged and I see a lot more people my age or older in the alleys with their own balls than I do younger.
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« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2018, 04:48:13 PM »
Can't keep up with production can be good marketing for build to order or sitting on a release because the previous release is outpacing projections.

The market is shrinking every year, there aren't more balls being sold to less bowlers.  I can't remember the last time I spoke to a pro shop that said they were up.

Excellent point! For example diamonds are very expensive, and stay expensive because the distributors and those who control the market, only allow so many of them to circulate.The actual market has a glut of diamonds available but the general public will never know this!
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Re: Top companies
« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2018, 01:05:02 AM »
Don't think that it is Storm. Since their speciality is high end bowling balls, their focus is more  towards sports bowlers - a shrinking market.

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« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2018, 02:58:33 AM »
Things I notice and should be taken into a effect

The number dropped for motiv after the jackal incident. I bet they lost a good amount of their %. They save good margins old all reusing cores, which is good for their profit margin per ball. Release schedule is very consistent every 90 days, 1-2 balls.

Brunswick/DV8/Radical are constantly in closeout 10:1 compared to storm. Might have best profit margin though being in Mexico. Most balls released per year I feel, it seems there is no stopping their release schedule, even when there is clearance from years back, however they have cleaned this up recently.

Storm/roto are clearly the market leader.  They should be selling the most units especially in full price.  Unsure in profit margin, but u do see things on backorder which no other companies really have going on.  Backorder could be created hype, or just safe inventory planning (which is the smart way to do things in 2018...only make a small batch, if it sells remake it in mass quantities, like a "best seller."  Current ball that is in this limbo is the hustle ink, odds are the I are sold through as it's the best selling hustle line ball). Operating with almost Zero clearance keeps your customer paying full price... which helps storm and the distributor probably. They are the premium brand, continuous and constant tour wins, great releases, and perfect marketing have elevated their brand.  R&D seems to be top notch in their HP releases, reused cores and covers save $$$ plus overseas market seem to be top notch--just look at the price of overseas equipment here..no other brand can really say people desire their equipment like this.

900 is growing, AMF isn't though.  Seems to follow storms path quite a bit now, listening to fans for rereleases be is smart.  Rebranded from storms influence seems to be working decently, I feel they are working towards being the roto grip of yesteryear, pricing is a lil bit lower too.  Has best pro shop pricing.  They seemed to have manufacturing as a business making private label balls, which seems to be limited to just monster as storm is ultilizing 900 now, more than ever. 

EBI has has to cruising in 2nd place, just because their 4 brands are iconic and they have restructured, and came out better than before (not better than ever, but improved).  Their product quality has increased no doubt.  I have noticed a ton of x-outs now--almost like they're trying to create an x out customer base...

Visionary who knows what's going there no releases since 2015, and have only poured 4 seismic balls that i know of to date.

Lanemasters looks to be going out of business and dumping equipment

Pyramid-has one popular ball, no clue I'd they'll ever have a second....

What as I see is similar but different game plans for each company. However taking the cheap road in the long run is never good. A storm will be fine for a long time as they seem to set up for success. However, u may see the R&D at Brunswick/ especially Radical rake rise with the new weight hole debacle.  They might have their edge now.

I have no factual numbers

But I see it as this

Utah-40%
EBI-20%
Bruns-20%
900-10%
Motiv-10%

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