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12XSECH

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Topic locked...what a joke
« on: January 16, 2016, 01:09:23 PM »
What happened? Someone got their feelings hurt? Can't discuss the lousy Usbc here? I wouldn't care if they folded. Another sanctioning group will take over. People act like we need them, they need us and that's how it works. A member suggested to them to raise the fee....ok..what if another member suggested to lower the fee? Give me a break. This is and was the worst organization that ever tan bowling. Again, its not the 5 bucks, or 1 dollar..its we got nothing in the past and now they want more for doing less.
It's a joke and the joke us on the bowlers. When is the last time the Usbc inspected a lane at anyone of your locations? Case closed.

 

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« Reply #61 on: January 26, 2016, 09:41:06 AM »
What you have to remember is that the USBC is in a position of trying to increase membership and participation so the organization can stay afloat, yet their customers are also customers of someone else, and that someone else doesn't care how the money goes into the cash register as long as it does.

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« Reply #62 on: January 26, 2016, 10:48:26 AM »
They've been trying and failing to increase membership for two decades...I don't think any amount of money can fix stupid.
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« Reply #63 on: January 26, 2016, 11:31:13 AM »
I'm not arguing how the USBC budget is spent, but if you fault the USBC for the membership decline you need to spend some time in the bowling business.  The USBC is dependent on a group in which the marketing of their business for most of them is unlocking the door and putting flyers on the counter.

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« Reply #64 on: January 26, 2016, 12:20:16 PM »
morpheus,

Who do you think should be ultimately responsible for the number of USBC members?  Should it be USBC going door-to-door trying to drum up new members?  Or should it be the proprietors going lane-to-lane during open play trying to get new members? 

The problem is the proprietors might be making more money per lane per during open play then they are during league.  Many believe bowling as entertainment is part of the reason for the decrease in membership.  When I started bowling, leagues were the bread and butter of the bowling industry.  Bowlers bowled in more than one league and they practiced away from the league.  Bowling for fun wasn't anywhere near as popular.  Now we have centers where if there isn't a league on the floor the lights are turned off and music is blaring.  Not quite the environment for practice.  Which in turn can cause some bowlers to not care as much about their game and eventually quit the competitive side of bowling.

The relationship between USBC and BPAA seems to have caused a split in the types of bowlers.  And right now, the BPAA side is "winning" if you want to call it that.  The two organizations share marketing (if I remember correctly) and thus the goal of that marketing is getting butts in the door.  But not necessarily for leagues. 

If local associations or proprietors want to increase their league base (for monetary reasons) that is when USBC membership will increase.  USBC can showcase the sport of bowling through Team USA, PWBA, High School Bowling, Collegiate Bowling or any other way they can all in hopes of trying to convince the person on their couch to bowl competitively.  But once they are in the center, many times it falls on the proprietor to take the next step.

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« Reply #65 on: January 26, 2016, 12:50:15 PM »
I'm not arguing how the USBC budget is spent, but if you fault the USBC for the membership decline you need to spend some time in the bowling business.  The USBC is dependent on a group in which the marketing of their business for most of them is unlocking the door and putting flyers on the counter.
I've continued to say this again and again...throwing money at a problem without a plan is never the answer yet that's the option being presented. Doing the same thing and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.
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« Reply #66 on: January 26, 2016, 01:12:45 PM »
How about continued operations without having to cut any more services?  All the cuts that were made weren't done just because someone wanted to, it was to keep the organization going.

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« Reply #67 on: January 26, 2016, 01:29:32 PM »
Happy to consider it, please justify the expenditures, prepare a budget/benefit analysis before asking for funding. Financials for 2014 can be found here, 2015 hasn't been published yet but it doesn't look like they're closing the doors.

http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/aboutusbc/pdfs/2014USBCAnnualReport.pdf
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« Reply #68 on: January 26, 2016, 01:42:37 PM »
Back in the early 2000's, when they were talking about merging the various bowling organizations, there was plenty of discussion here and on other forums about it.  I was doing an internet search for that and ran across an article that I had not seen from 2014.
Seems like it would fit here.

http://www.examiner.com/article/hostile-usbc-takeover-escalates-ruining-bowling-for-americans
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« Reply #69 on: January 26, 2016, 02:17:49 PM »
Back in the early 2000's, when they were talking about merging the various bowling organizations, there was plenty of discussion here and on other forums about it.  I was doing an internet search for that and ran across an article that I had not seen from 2014.
Seems like it would fit here.

http://www.examiner.com/article/hostile-usbc-takeover-escalates-ruining-bowling-for-americans

The linked article sounds like someone who lost their job and is bitter about it.

Or a pre-teen girl ranting about someone she was BFF's with yesterday and is mortal enemies with today...
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« Reply #70 on: January 26, 2016, 04:09:59 PM »
Wow, five plus pages of responses, and the only take-away I have from this thread  is that some members of this site are real douche canoes who claim to be organizational and financial experts, yet they can't put together consecutive sentences without making 3rd grade grammar errors. I love 99% of the bowlers out there; the other 1% is full of a bunch of whiners and know-it-alls who are still ticked off that they can't line their junk drawers with 4-7-10 patches and 700 series coasters anymore. Some people really need to grow up.  ::)

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« Reply #71 on: January 26, 2016, 04:46:17 PM »
That goes both ways Gene.  Not everybody that is less than thrilled fits your description, but people always resort to calling names when they have no other points to make.

The whole point of the merger was to solve the money issues of the membership loss.  Why hasn't that worked?  Why do they need more money?  Some of us actually understand business and would love to have some sort of explanation/proof of why they need more money and what exactly they are going to do with it.  If you find that an unreasonable stance to take, feel free to just give them some of your money.  I'm sure they'll take a donation as long as you don't ask them what they are going to do with it.

I usually agree with you, but in this case, I think you need to grow up.  It is possible to have valid concerns with USBC without wanting another key chain.  Why is it that anybody that has the nerve to question the great USBC is automatically a whiner?
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« Reply #72 on: January 26, 2016, 05:52:41 PM »
I should go the USTA, my softball leagues, and other places and demand to get 2006 pricing in 2016.    Do people in here actually expect dues to remain the same indefinitely? 

There is a lot to be said (good and bad) regarding the USBC and bowling, but I find it hard to believe that anyone can truly think that this increase is out of line. 

They should have just said they are raising dues because of the economy.  At least people wouldn't be able to hide their cheapness and anger behind some manufactured principle ( which seems to keep changing in this thread after the intelligent rebuttals of the ridiculous expectations)

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« Reply #73 on: January 26, 2016, 06:18:59 PM »
That goes both ways Gene.  Not everybody that is less than thrilled fits your description, but people always resort to calling names when they have no other points to make.

The whole point of the merger was to solve the money issues of the membership loss.  Why hasn't that worked?  Why do they need more money?  Some of us actually understand business and would love to have some sort of explanation/proof of why they need more money and what exactly they are going to do with it.  If you find that an unreasonable stance to take, feel free to just give them some of your money.  I'm sure they'll take a donation as long as you don't ask them what they are going to do with it.

I usually agree with you, but in this case, I think you need to grow up.  It is possible to have valid concerns with USBC without wanting another key chain.  Why is it that anybody that has the nerve to question the great USBC is automatically a whiner?

The problem is that it's not about having concerns about the USBC. It's about $5. I have concerns about the USBC too, but they're still worth $15. It IS possible to have concerns without demanding full transparency.

I'm really curious what every other company buys that they know what every dollar spent is for? Even donations to charities have to cover expenses...

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« Reply #74 on: January 26, 2016, 06:49:26 PM »
I would question any organization that has been as ineffective as the USBC for the last two decades...but apparently this is an emotional discussion so carry on gentlemen.
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« Reply #75 on: January 26, 2016, 07:50:05 PM »
I'll give USBC $50 if they can show they need it and deserve it.  As of now, they've done neither.
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