Author Topic: Tournament in Illinois--Taking Reservations (Read 8627 times)

Gene J Kanak · « **on:** November 18, 2003, 10:45:35 PM »

Hey everyone,

I'm doing some prospecting here to see what type of interest there would be. I'm working together with the owner of Victory Lanes in Kankakee, Illinois to set up a one-day tournament sometime in January or February. I have no idea what kind on entry fee we would be talking about or anything like that as of now, but those deals will be worked out later. The gimic here is that bowlers will be allowed to use plastic equipment ONLY, no urethane, resin or particle. We are still working to figure out what type of oil pattern we could put out for something like that, but it would undoubtedly be some type of a short pattern. At this point, we're just looking to see how many people would be willing to sack up and put their game on the line using nothing but plastic. Eventually, we would like to get an entire league of this sort going, but, in the interim, we're looking to see how many people would be willing to try something like this. Obviously, with no clear cut information determined yet, other than the ball requirements, it will be tough for people to say whether they'd try this or not. What I'm really looking to see is just how many people would be willing to do this. Message or post here if you'd be willing to try this, and we'll see if we can turn this into a reality. This is could be a perfect chance to show just how much game you've really got!
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Bowling is without a doubt the dumbest, most pointless, most idiotic excuse for a game that has ever been invented. So, what time are we bowling tomorrow?

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Edited on 11/26/2003 10:02 AM

LuvThatWhiteDot · « **Reply #31 on:** November 21, 2003, 08:23:48 AM »

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you know, the complete arsenal of plastic.

one for oil,one for med, one for dry and one for spares

My son has gone up in ball weight recently, so he has a 2-ball plastic arsenal: 8 lbs. and 10 lbs.

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White Dot

Not another 10 pin!

Gene J Kanak · « **Reply #32 on:** November 21, 2003, 10:04:22 AM »

Hey everyone,

I'm going to talk with Lance Murray about the particulars this afternoon and I'm looking for some last-minute input. Here are the questions that I'd like answers for:

1. Is there a particular weekend in January or February that is especially good or bad?

2. Do we want this to be scratch, or handicap with a low number like 60% or 70% of 200?

3. What balls, other than the XXXL, do we need to rule out, and should we make a rule about coverstock prep?

4. I was originally thinking of 3 games of qualifying, cutting the field in half and seeding for match play until there's a winner. How does this sound?

5. Any final suggestions on oil patterns?

6. Any other odds and ends?

I have a fairly good idea of what we're looking at here, but I want to give everyone another chance to chime in before we start laying out the final works.
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Bowling is without a doubt the dumbest, most pointless, most idiotic excuse for a game that has ever been invented. So, what time are we bowling tomorrow?

livespive · « **Reply #33 on:** November 21, 2003, 11:08:54 AM »

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Gene,

1.New Years weekend is bad for me,all others are ok.
2.SCRATCH
3.XXXL and anything other than pancake weight block banned.
4.How about 4 game block 2 on short oil and 2 on longer pattern.
5.See #4
6.SCRATCH
7.Did I mention SCRATCH bowling
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I think xman hit it there.

1.That first week in January is going to be bad for about all.
2.I would maybey look at scratch with divisions 200+ and 200-
3.Just pancake blocks
4. Cover prep limited to the start of the touney the beginning of game 3(4 goame block) and the beging of the roll offs
5. I would also say just one ball
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Visionary Test Staff Member

Gene J Kanak · « **Reply #34 on:** November 21, 2003, 01:54:47 PM »

Hey everyone,

I just got back from talking with Lance, and the details are set! I tried to take as many suggestions as possible into account. I hope everyone is happy with what we've come up with.

Lance Murray and Gene J. Kanak, along with a great deal of help from the wonderful members of Ballreviews.com, are proud to present:

The Victory Lanes "Old School" Open

Where: Victory Lanes--1801 W. Station Street. Kankakee, IL 60901
Date: Sunday, February 8, 2004
Times: A-squad 9:00 a.m., B-Squad 11:00 a.m., Semifinals and finals will immediately follow after re-oiling.

Cost: Standard entry fee $30.
Standard entry + plastic ball shipped to your home $80
Standard entry + plastic ball drilled by Lance Murray $90

Prize fund: Cashing will be at a 1 out of 4 ratio. The prize money (based upon the max number of 64 entries) will be as follows:
1st Place---$500
2nd Place--$250
3rd-4th------$120
5th-8th------$60
9th-16th----$30

We are currently in the process of seeking sponsorship, so the prize fund has the possibility of being increased. On the flip side, the fund will be adjusted accordingly to fit the 1 out of 4 ratio if the maximum number of entrees is not reached as well. Based upon initial interest, however, it appears that reaching 64 is well within reach.

Format: This will be a scratch event, as that was what was requested most often, and it lessens the hassle of requiring each and every bowler to provide proof of average.

5 games of qualifying across 10 lanes.
If there are 64 bowlers, the top 16 will advance to match play. If
there are fewer bowlers, the cut may move to top 8. If this is the
case, however, additional cashers may be paid out to keep the
cashing ratio at 1 of 4.

The semifinals will consist of one-game seeded match play.

The finals will be a best 2 out of 3 match for the title.

Equipment guidelines: This was perhaps the toughest decision to make, as there were a bevy of suggestions as to how to handle this. Our final thought was that the conditions that will be put out, while fair, will be more than enough to challenge the field, thus, ANY PLASTIC BALL IS ALLOWED. No rubber, no urethane, no particle, no resin. All drillings must meet ABC competition guidelines and will be checked before semifinal competition begins. Coverstock alterations will be allowed before competition begins, but is FORBIDDEN AFTER THE 1ST BALL FOR SCORE IS THROWN!

Entries: We are capping the field at 64, and, with the amount of interest this has drawn already, it is likely that we will reach that number. You can reserve your entry by mailing a check to Victory Lanes, C/O Lance Murray at the address listed above. Please be sure to indicate either on the memo line or somewhere else that your check is for the "Old School Open". Lance Murray is a member of the Regional PBA Senior Tour, and I have never had a problem with anyone on this board, so have no fear. If you do not want to pre-pay, you can also give a verbal reservation by messaging me at this site or by calling Victory Lanes (815) 939-2695. However, if we run into a situation in which we are approaching the maximum number of entries, reservations with payment will have to be given priority.

If you have any questions or comments feel free to message me back, otherwise, I look forward to hearing from all of you soon and seeing you at Victory Lanes in February. This should be a great chance to have some fun, meet some people and bowl for a pretty hefty prize fund! Be sure to tell your friends; let's make this an event we can't forget!
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Bowling is without a doubt the dumbest, most pointless, most idiotic excuse for a game that has ever been invented. So, what time are we bowling tomorrow?

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Gene J Kanak · « **Reply #35 on:** November 21, 2003, 06:33:22 PM »

ttt
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Bowling is without a doubt the dumbest, most pointless, most idiotic excuse for a game that has ever been invented. So, what time are we bowling tomorrow?

scotts33 · « **Reply #36 on:** November 21, 2003, 07:15:59 PM »

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ANY PLASTIC BALL IS ALLOWED. No rubber, no urethane, no particle, no resin.

Understand your quandry here Gene. I see a lot of bowlers going out and purchasing XXXL's. To bad it was a good idea until you allowed that type of core in anything plastic. Wish you well in your endeavor.

Scott

Buzzhead · « **Reply #37 on:** November 21, 2003, 08:39:30 PM »

wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!
This ball has a REAL DAMN CORE IN IT so it is not allowed in a
plastic ball tournament.!!!!!!!! wwaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhBAWLBABIES!!!!
boohoo. If any other companies would stop crankin out the oil eaters
and look around they would see what lane #1 has seen and create
the same damn thing. Plastic is plastic. If you are going to run a
PLASTIC tournament either include ball in entry fee or keep your mouth shut when someone walks in with 4 different XXXL's surface prepped and drilled
differently.

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Saws are made to cut ANYTHING including 10 pins

Buzzhead · « **Reply #38 on:** November 21, 2003, 08:44:51 PM »

couple a days too late on the rant....
lol sorry.
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Saws are made to cut ANYTHING including 10 pins

Gene J Kanak · « **Reply #39 on:** November 21, 2003, 10:06:44 PM »

Hey everyone,

I'm sorry if some people are disappointed by the fact that we decided to allow all plastic. The reason for this decision was because I did not want to force people to purchase a new plastic ball just for this occasion. The other problem is that the XXXL is not the only plastic ball with a dynamic core. What about the Clear Wolf, and some of the others that can move. The facts are, if people work hard enough to find an advantage, no matter how small, they will almost always be able to do so. For this reason, we are going to find a condition that limits this advantage and is as fair to everyone. If someone wants to go out and buy 4 different XXXL's, all prepared differently, let them do it. In the end, they will still have to negotiate the pattern and the competition in order for it to pay off in the end. The purpose of this tourney is to have a good time and to have a tourney where shot making ability is at a premium. I am still 100% confident that this will be the case, regardless of what plastic balls people bring in. Let's not sweat the small stuff.
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Bowling is without a doubt the dumbest, most pointless, most idiotic excuse for a game that has ever been invented. So, what time are we bowling tomorrow?

omegabowler · « **Reply #40 on:** November 21, 2003, 10:12:55 PM »

I have a 3 ball roller. so what am I going to put in with my white dot?

if this is going to be an annual event I may just buy 2 XXXL's.

although I must say, I have a clear gargoyle an it moved as much as a guy with a XXXL in league last year.

I may have to learn to turn the ball again.
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-- William Munny

SrKegler · « **Reply #41 on:** November 21, 2003, 10:21:35 PM »

Amen Gene. Probably will get a better turnout with us being able to use the plastic we have. If people are afraid of someone having an advantage, no reason they can't purchase a plastic with a core.

Bottom line is if you can't get it to the hole consistently, doesn't matter what you are using.

Looking at the list of people coming, I'm guessing -10 to make top 16.

PS checks in the mail for B-squad. Don-t get off work in time for A-squad.

CYA.

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~~~SrK - Have balls, will travel

michelle · « **Reply #42 on:** November 21, 2003, 10:28:06 PM »

A longer format would probably draw more people. I was planning on trying to tie the tournament in with a trip to see relatives, but for a 3-game sweeper, it isn't worth the time to drive from Savoy to Kankakee.

SrKegler · « **Reply #43 on:** November 21, 2003, 10:44:39 PM »

Ah, c'mon Michelle. You make it to Savoy, I'll haul you the rest of the way. What is it 75 miles. Besides, your hand is healed now, chance for some revenge.
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~~~SrK - Have balls, will travel

scotts33 · « **Reply #44 on:** November 21, 2003, 11:26:33 PM »

OK Gene. Are you allowing a shined Amulet Glow? It's urethane but from what I have seen has no more movement than an XXXL. 3 piece cores are the ONLY way to go. Alowing any plastic ala XXXL's or Clear Wolf's you've opened up a can of worms. It's scratch so you've made that restriction and make another ONLY 3 piece plastic. Look at all the posts most have all said except for one they wanted 3 piece plastic. Level the playing field with regards to equipment and lane condition. Don't rely on just lane condition. You are calling it "Old School"! What's old school about an XXXL or a Clear Wolf?

There is NOTHING wrong with restrictions Gene. I bowled in a Yellow Dot league and it worked great. I moved from the area and the league is still running today.

Scott

captainhook · « **Reply #45 on:** November 21, 2003, 11:30:42 PM »

Kegler, this would be worth the trip just to see you hook plastic about as much as you hook your saws

won't be the same watching you walk into the lanes without your ball rack on wheels.

GENE: how about a 300 pot with the entry extra $10 anyone shots 300 with plastic they win the pot, if no one wins put the money towards prize fund to pay more places just a thought.
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"CAPTAIN HOOK" is my name and HOOK is my game !!!!

2002 MICHIGAN SCRATCH SINGLES CHAMPION

Author Topic: Tournament in Illinois--Taking Reservations (Read 8627 times)

Gene J Kanak

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