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Mike E

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Carrydown Solutions?
« on: June 05, 2003, 04:54:53 AM »
Lately in summer leagues I have had a lot of trouble with carrydown.Not having a lot of experience dealing with it I was curious to know what approaches others have tried and been successful with? Reactives seem to just glide thru the breakpoint. Are particles the answer? Urethane maybe? Square up the shot more? Your suggestions and experiences would help.

                     Thanks,
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Re: Carrydown Solutions?
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2003, 12:20:46 AM »
Given carrydown situations, there are several options that you have.  You can make a move more towards the outside boards, in an attempt to catch more of the dry a little bit earlier, getting the ball to stand up and hook a tad earlier.  Or, you can go to a ball with a more aggressive surface on it.  Or, you can take your same ball and have it dulled down somewhat, so that it is less susceptible to carrydown situations.

Even though you have several options open, the easiest one would be to make a move towards the outside of the lane and play a little bit more square down the boards.  But, if you are using a polished reactive resin ball, then considering dulling down the surface somewhat will make the ball more steady in carrydown situations.  And of course, a dull particle ball is always an option....but it might be too aggressive for you, depending on what line you prefer to play.

Any way you go about it, a polished reactive resin ball is going to be skittish on carrydown....the carrydown has the same effect as extending the oil length down the lane somewhat, which lengthens out the breakpoint of the ball (delaying the hook).

Myself, I primarily use dull particle equipment to start with, so you know what my personal recommendation would be.  However, I also realize that dull particle equipment does not work well for everybody.  In fact, dull particle stuff can hurt some bowler's game, depending a lot on the lane conditions that are present.

I guess that there is no perfect answer here.  Just pick out one of the options that sounds good to you, and give it a try.  If changing the surface texture of your ball is done and you don't like what you find, you can always have it polished back up again.

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Re: Carrydown Solutions?
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2003, 08:18:44 PM »
I've also been struggling with Carrydown, but instead of having oil in the heads, the heads are a little on the Medium/Dry side.

It was reccommended to me to use a ScreamR but with a 2000 grit sanded coverstock (instead of polished).

This ball was recommended to me for when the heads start to dry up and there's some carrydown, NOT for when there's oil in the heads and carrydown (because for this condition, I would use a dull particle ball).

Now I know that it's a pearl ball which is bad for when there is Carrydown, but the guy's logic was this: The guy said that by sanding it "up" to 2000 grit would help get the ball through the Medium/Dry heads and the sanded cover would also help in Carrydown.

Anybody agree???





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Mike E

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Re: Carrydown Solutions?
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2003, 07:57:49 AM »
I want to thank everyone that took the time to respond. The P.G.A.tour phrase "these guys are good" certainly applies to all of you.You've all given me lots of options to consider.Not sure I'd of come up with so many on my own.It's great to know there are so many talented bowlers out there willing to share their knowledge and experiences.Good luck and good bowling to all in the future.            
                           Thanks again,
                           Mike E


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Re: Carrydown Solutions?
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2003, 11:47:49 AM »
Mike, I had a winter league that had to bowl after people like Bob had bowled.  The house usually reoiled the heads after the tourneys so you had to cope with very oily heads and carry down.  I bought my Track Money for it.  It did very nicely.  The usual shot was across the 10 out to the 1 and back to the pocket.  I got my all time high game that way - a 243.  

Unfortunately, this year saw mostly very dry heads and short oil at best with dry backends.  I've gone to the other extreme almost solely using plastic or a Scout pearl.  I'd love to see oil again.   Wipe the ball off?  Why?  Where's the oil?
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Re: Carrydown Solutions?
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2003, 05:05:04 PM »
When the oil carries down, you would think moving to the right with your feet is the way to go. But, normally it's not. Moving left and throwing more right is normally the move that works best.

By throwing it more right, you throw it outside of the carry down to where the dry boards normally are, and the ball will hook back. "YOU" will need to know how to hook the ball. A polished reacitve ball will work better than a particle ball. =:^D

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Re: Carrydown Solutions?
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2003, 05:41:15 PM »
quote:
When the oil carries down, you would think moving to the right with your feet is the way to go. But, normally it's not. Moving left and throwing more right is normally the move that works best.

By throwing it more right, you throw it outside of the carry down to where the dry boards normally are, and the ball will hook back. "YOU" will need to know how to hook the ball. A polished reacitve ball will work better than a particle ball. =:^D


One caveat to that T-god, you have to have enough revs to get the ball back.

I unfortunatly either dont have enough revs, or am too inconsistant when trying to crank it that much.

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Re: Carrydown Solutions?
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2003, 05:48:58 PM »
I always have, and still do go by the old rule of thumb when it comes to carrydown, unless the shot is changing really stupidly.. If the ball goes left of the pocket, move left, if it goes right, move right. Of course, with these moves, comes moves with the eyes that generally tighten the shot when moving right and loosen the shot when moving left. This rule has served me well for many years and continues to serve me well to this day.

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Re: Carrydown Solutions?
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2003, 12:03:03 PM »
Bj, that's why I put "YOU" in capital letters..!!

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Re: Carrydown Solutions?
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2003, 09:33:19 PM »
Plus40,

That assumes that you can afford to buy yet another bowling ball.

Currently I know I have a major hole in my arsenal by not having a light-medium load particle to roll early or cut oil with.

But unless someone is willing to donate one to me it will be many months before I get such a thing.

Until then I will continue to use either my Burgandy hammer, or slightly dulled voodoo when the carrydown gets really bad.