Author Topic: Can anyone answer this questions? (Read 1031 times)

dev · « **on:** November 12, 2005, 11:44:50 PM »

I realise that my newly bought Hammer Hawg isn't performing like what it is like the first few games with the it.

I had about 60 games already, haven't really do a really cleaning. But some surface wiping. And now the ball isn't hooking much. even my silver streak pearl is hooking more.

Now my questions are..

Should I do a thorough cleaning for the ball?
or is it that my ball haven't got it's track?(i heard from my friend that the ball will hook more once it's got the track there?)
or could it just be my own hand not doing the job well? =
thanks.

dev · « **Reply #1 on:** November 13, 2005, 07:19:49 PM »

I need a quick cleaning method, because I left my balls over at the alley as I got training every week.

anyway, thanks =]

J_Mac · « **Reply #2 on:** November 13, 2005, 07:30:47 PM »

Are you sure you're throwing it on enough oil? While it is possible that it's reaction has diminished due to oil absorbtion/plasticizer saturation, it is also possible that the lanes don't have as much oil as they did before.

The SSP outhooking it could be a sign of not enough oil for the Hawg, or a more "oil proof" coverstock, so nothing is cut and dried.

All balls "self polish" with use, so that is also another consideration as that could weaken or strengthen a ball's reaction.

Quickest and deepest cleaning method I can think of is Clean and Dull with the appropriate grit scotch brite pad.
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Edited on 11/13/2005 8:22 PM

dev · « **Reply #3 on:** November 14, 2005, 07:05:16 PM »

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Are you sure you're throwing it on enough oil? While it is possible that it's reaction has diminished due to oil absorbtion/plasticizer saturation, it is also possible that the lanes don't have as much oil as they did before.

The SSP outhooking it could be a sign of not enough oil for the Hawg, or a more "oil proof" coverstock, so nothing is cut and dried.

All balls "self polish" with use, so that is also another consideration as that could weaken or strengthen a ball's reaction.

Quickest and deepest cleaning method I can think of is Clean and Dull with the appropriate grit scotch brite pad.
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American beer is like making love in a canoe. It's f*cking close to water. - Monty Python

If God had intended us to drink beer, He would have given us stomachs. - David Daye

Edited on 11/13/2005 8:22 PM

Your point does make sense to me, but I found out that when I throw my Hawg out, when it comes back on the ball return, I don't see much oil tracks on the ball. In fact I only see about 2 to 3 rings of oil and the oil track isn't really obvious. It's just those partial incompleted rings.

But while I throw my SSP, it has 4 fully oiled ring on the ball. I was thinking that a pearlized ball should skid more than pentrating more oil than my Hawg. =]

something is wrong here. anyway, my hawg is drilled with pin under ring finger, CG kick out 1inch off centre of grip. my silver streak is drilled with pin over and beside my ring finger. CG straight down with the pin.

dev · « **Reply #4 on:** November 14, 2005, 07:06:26 PM »

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Search function is your friend

The hot water bucket with detergent and degreaser/lane cleaner and a scrubbing brush is the best method IMHO, although clean and dull seems popular nowadays!!!

Good Luck!

Try using some dish detergent to clean on my ball tt time and I got some reaction back. But I doubt that would last me any longer? =]

supernoodle · « **Reply #5 on:** November 14, 2005, 07:52:34 PM »

I may be wrong here but there does not seem much distance between your pin and CG and I was lead to believe that the closer these are to each other (Combined with how you are throwing it) determines how much flare you get....

Just a thought.

charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** November 15, 2005, 06:06:43 AM »

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Search function is your friend

The hot water bucket with detergent and degreaser/lane cleaner and a scrubbing brush is the best method IMHO, although clean and dull seems popular nowadays!!!

Good Luck!

Try using some dish detergent to clean on my ball tt time and I got some reaction back. But I doubt that would last me any longer? =]

He didn't say, "Clean it with dish detergent". He said soak it in hot water WITH dish detergent. The hot water brings the oil to the surface; the dishwasher detergent helps clean the oil away when it comes to the surface.

You can also find a pro shop with Ebonite's Hook Again cleaning system. Since Hammer is made by Ebonite, the same restorative system should also work.

With an oil sucker like the Hawg, you MUST, you ABSOLUTELY must clean it every time you use it BEFORE you put it back in your bag. I'm surpised it even lasted 60 games, the way you said you treated it.

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dev · « **Reply #7 on:** November 15, 2005, 07:37:10 AM »

I thought that resurfacing of the ball will make it smaller in size if there's too much resurfacing.

Now that my Hawg is still giving me good backends, just that it loses it OOB performance. I believe it's due to the oil sucked into the coverstock. Looks like after every training I have to do a cleaning job.

haha.

JohnP · « **Reply #8 on:** November 15, 2005, 09:44:12 AM »

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I may be wrong here but there does not seem much distance between your pin and CG and I was lead to believe that the closer these are to each other (Combined with how you are throwing it) determines how much flare you get....

The pin to cg distance has essentially nothing to do with the amount of flare. It's the pin to PAP distance that does. -- JohnP

supernoodle · « **Reply #9 on:** November 15, 2005, 06:01:32 PM »

Well in that case my reference material is wrong!!!

dev · « **Reply #10 on:** November 16, 2005, 07:57:49 AM »

I wonder what will happen if I shine up my Hawg, maybe will I get a better reaction? As the ball won't roll out too early, like what some of the guys here mention.

Feel like doing some trial and errors, but afraid that I might just spoil my coverstock. =]

JohnP · « **Reply #11 on:** November 16, 2005, 09:32:33 AM »

supernoodle -- I don't know what reference material you're using, but the following is copied from a Technical Tip on the Ebonite website.

Pin Positions and Dynamic Reactions

The pin in the bowling ball (the colored plug) signifies the center of the core. Other than surface texture, it is the single most important factor in determining ball reaction. Itâ€œs distance from the PAP will dictate the amount of track flare and the amount of energy released, which influences the amount of hook potential. Please note that the pin distance from the PAP is important, not its location relative to the center of span.

To read the entire tip, click on the link below. And please provide a link to the reference material you're using, I'd like to read it. -- JohnP

http://www.ebonite.com/techcenter/pinposdynreact.php

Edited on 11/16/2005 10:27 PM

dev · « **Reply #12 on:** November 17, 2005, 08:34:46 AM »

Just polished my Hawg with Storm Xtra shine. Polished with my hands and not on spinner, therefore only little shine was apply.

The reaction was better. Not sure why, the ball just went long and snaps in. =] Will try shining on a spinner next time and see the results!

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