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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: xrayjay on January 14, 2015, 04:24:24 PM
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I just had a thought a while ago today.....
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think there are very few multiple 300 games owned by bowlers (non pro) who have less than 300 rpms. They may have one or two, but with all the 300's I've seen thrown by the same people, not one of them threw under 300 rpms.
Makes me believe league bowlers with 200 to 275 rpms are in an up hill climb to get that 300 game. Guys with hand and their wider room for error have a better chance to get multiple 300 games under their belt.
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Figjam=off, this is just a personal reply.
Sorry, I have to take exception to this one. I'll agree higher percentage probability, but I'm below 300 rpms and have 7, including one night back-to-back (3rd and 4th games, so it technically didn't "count" for b-2-b recognition and who knows what the next game would have been...). My brother is maybe 300 on a good day, and he has 13 bowling 1 night a week (he's kinda a natural, but I won't admit that...) . Man, I'd love to swing it, but that's not my game. Targeting hasn't been lost as a concept, and repitition is king.
It can be done, but everyone wants to hook it, so they don't bother with the details.
Rant=off...
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I disagree. I've got a few guys that bowl by me. Both are 65+ years old and carry 220-230 averages with multiple 300s and 800s. However they can only do one thing...play straight. Accuracy must be your best friend if you're rev challenged
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Figjam=off, this is just a personal reply.
Sorry, I have to take exception to this one. I'll agree higher percentage probability, but I'm below 300 rpms and have 7, including one night back-to-back (3rd and 4th games, so it technically didn't "count" for b-2-b recognition and who knows what the next game would have been...). My brother is maybe 300 on a good day, and he has 13 bowling 1 night a week (he's kinda a natural, but I won't admit that...) . Man, I'd love to swing it, but that's not my game. Targeting hasn't been lost as a concept, and repitition is king.
It can be done, but everyone wants to hook it, so they don't bother with the details.
Rant=off...
But your lefty...
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Are you going off measured rev rates or what guys tell you they are? There are plenty of people that think they are 350 and are really about 275.
Rev rate is like driver distance. Perception and reality are about 20% apart.
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Are you going off measured rev rates or what guys tell you they are? There are plenty of people that think they are 350 and are really about 275.
Rev rate is like driver distance. Perception and reality are about 20% apart.
240 Revs and 240 Driver Carry Distance for me......275 and 275 seems so far away
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Revs are largely misunderstood. It's not that they don't help, it's just that they need to match up with the bowler's speed and release characteristics. Slower speeds with high revs is tough to control, while high speed with low revs is also not optimal.
Many a bowler has gotten "lost" while trying to create/maximize revs and hook. "Bowl like you do" and learn to repeat shots, and you'll find a way to score.
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Angle carries. :)
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Under 300 here.....10 300 games and 3 800 sets. Accuracy is the key.
3835
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I think it all depends on where the CG is placed in respect to the bowlers revs & speed... Very important.
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Just watch Anthony Pepe. (yeah I know he is a lefty) but this guy has been beating up folks at local tourneys for a while before the cheetah win and he has a low rev release. Strong cores that rev up fast will help the low rev player. If you ever watch the Storm propaganda piece on the Crux, that core is so strong it looks like it revs up after the guys drop it.
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I think a lot of women bowlers would also disagree with the OP.
My fiance had (5) 300s, (4) 800s and (2) 290s in her last year of competitive bowling. Her former college teammate recently tied the women's 3-game record with a 300, 279, 300 (879) series. Neither of them are near 300 rpms and I would definitely put my money on them against most anyone.
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We have a nice firm righty with about 250 revs in our league 3 300s in the last 3 weeks.
Another couple of ideas for you, Walter Ray Williams and Mika(maybe 300 revs).
Speed, levelness of delivery, attack angle!
Regards,
Luckylefty
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I have 42 300's and 13 800's since 1976. Have never topped 300 rpms, and was usually closer to 250. Prior to the introduction of the resin ball in 1992, I think lower rev guys were at a disadvantage for 300's. Not the case in the resin era.
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so i am wrong, great to know....
It is true about todays bowling then, for here in the Mainland for that matter... Then there are thousands of low rev bowlers nowadays with multiple 300's and/or 800's compared to the past??? all because of the playing conditions and ball technology. And maybe these factors are why league bowling has declined over the decade.
Yes one has to be accurate and have a skill/mental foundation. but just last month before christmas break, my buddy who has less than 250 rpm with 177 average shoots his first 300 with the crossroad I sold him. He did not hit the same line/bp in every shot. it was in or out, but it found the pocket light or high. (in fact two other guys that bought balls from me had shot 300's and both low rev lefty and a senior bowler - invasion and vivid)
I remember growing up and seeing people get so excited for 200 games. and for 300's, open bar for the pair for an hour! and whatever ABC gave ......
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With how strong the covers are today, I think speed is a bigger factor for striking than having a massive hook. At high speeds, todays covers will still rev up on the back part of the lane, even with higher speed giving the ball less time on the friction. You could not do this with balls from 15 or 20 years ago. If you get the ball to rev up just before the 1 -3 you are going to increase your chance to strike. Earl Anthony once said that the main thing he focused on (besides accuracy) was getting the ball to be at it's maximum revolutions at the pocket. With todays balls you can get a ball to read the friction at high speeds giving you massive RPMs at the pocket. And with the stronger covers and cores, you don't really need much hand to create enough movement to get you enough angle to strike consistently.
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I have 42 300's and 13 800's since 1976. Have never topped 300 rpms, and was usually closer to 250. Prior to the introduction of the resin ball in 1992, I think lower rev guys were at a disadvantage for 300's. Not the case in the resin era.
I think easy and consistent lane conditions create many of the 300s that you see today. There is usually no "figuring out the shot". You usually get the same exact shot at the same center from day to day. We have precision lane machines that place oil down like an inkjet printer exactly where you want it and exactly how much you want. As you go back, the way to oil lanes becomes more and more archaic. It was pretty much a trial and error guess and you needed someone that knew what they were doing to get something consistent. They used to use a bug sprayer and a floor mop for good sake. To get a 300 on conditions like that is pretty amazing.
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Actually, the big thing I have seen over the years is a proliferation of 300's accompanied by less than stellar series. There was a time when it was almost unheard of to see a 300 game without a 700 series. Today not so much. The reason is the resin balls are a double edged sword. The can destroy the pins, but they also blow up the lane pattern so fast that staying on the shot is much more difficult than it was in the polyester or urethane eras. I would say that in at least 10 of the 300 games I have shot in the resin era, I moved once or twice during the course of the game, in anticipation of the lane transition. Never had that happen prior to resin. I once shot a 300 out of the gate in a four game league, and only had once double and didn't crack 200 the rest of the night. That is extreme. At the other end of the spectrum I have seen guys shoot 300 after a brutally difficult pattern opens up over the course of 5 or 6 games.
No matter how you slice it the pocket is tougher to stay in over the course of a couple of games today, even on house shots, than it was pre resin.
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Actually, the big thing I have seen over the years is a proliferation of 300's accompanied by less than stellar series. There was a time when it was almost unheard of to see a 300 game without a 700 series. Today not so much. The reason is the resin balls are a double edged sword. The can destroy the pins, but they also blow up the lane pattern so fast that staying on the shot is much more difficult than it was in the polyester or urethane eras. I would say that in at least 10 of the 300 games I have shot in the resin era, I moved once or twice during the course of the game, in anticipation of the lane transition. Never had that happen prior to resin. I once shot a 300 out of the gate in a four game league, and only had once double and didn't crack 200 the rest of the night. That is extreme. At the other end of the spectrum I have seen guys shoot 300 after a brutally difficult pattern opens up over the course of 5 or 6 games.
No matter how you slice it the pocket is tougher to stay in over the course of a couple of games today, even on house shots, than it was pre resin.
good point. They talk about the high scores at the USBC national tournament last year. Do you think the ICE oil had anything to do with it, being that it is supposed to allow the shot to hold up better?
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I liked the shot on the ice. Didn't see so much over under off the end of the oil, and transitions were slower for me. In all honesty I don't know if it was the ice, or the longer pattern on the team, which produced the best scores.