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Untruthful pro shop. They lied to me yesterday...
« on: June 04, 2009, 10:13:05 AM »
I had an unfortunate experience in a well known pro shop in my area yesterday.    Let me tell you all about.  Then, I would like to get some feedback on what others think.

I brought a ball into the shop to be drilled.  After patiently waiting to meet with the most experienced driller in the shop, I greet him, shake his hand and then give him the ball.  He takes the ball and then proceeds to walk back to the drilling area.  (Keep in mind that I had brought in a ball a few weeks before and had it drilled with no issues.)

As he is walking to the drill, he states that he might have to charge me $10 more than what he charged me for drilling the first ball.  When he gets to the drill, he immediately puts the ball on a Determinator.  After about 20 seconds or so, I hear him say...  "I hope you didn't pay a lot for this ball..."

At that moment, I knew there was going to be a problem.  So I gave him a look as if I didn't hear him.  He then repeated what he said.

He then goes on to try to say that my brand new Virtual Gravity is not spinning properly and that he can not find the true mass bias area on the ball.  (We all know that Storm and every other company marks the mass bias on their asymmetrical balls before they leave the factory.)  

So I say, "Oh really? How often does something like this occur?"  He does not reply.  He then proceeds to pull out one of his VG's that he had in stock and puts that on the machine.  Of course, you all know that his ball spun properly.    When he spun my ball again, I noticed how loudly it was spinning because it was "wobbling"!  When he spun his, it was quiet.  LOL!

Now, before each spin on the machine, he clicks a switch in the back of the machine/table.  Can you guess what that switch might have done?!

He goes on to try explain how many Ebonite and RotoGrip balls had the same issue.  He then tries to explain how the ball was spinning properly on one axis, but not the other.  (Duh!  It can't it's wobbling all over the place!)  He then says that he might have trouble drilling my ball, but starts to look for another one of his VG's after I told him that my ball was a 14lb ball.      

While he is looking for another ball, I pick up my ball and proceed to tell him that "I will ship that ball back" and that he should not worry about drilling my ball.  He appeared a little shocked that I didn't want to get anything drilled.  From that point on, everything was just as uncomfortable as I have ever felt in a pro shop.  I knew he was lying.  I didn't want to challenge him on it because his boss, the owner of the shop, was nearby dealing with a supply distributor.  It would have looked bad if I called him out on an outright lie right in front of his boss.  So, I just walked.

As I am trying to leave, he asked me if I bought the ball from the internet.  LOL!  I said... "Oh, absolutely!"  He asked how much I paid for it and I told him that, too.  LOL!

When the owner saw me pick up my ball and put it back in my bag, I felt like everybody was looking at me like I was the bad guy.    Classic!  LOL!

I he only knew that I was going to buy two new balls from him.  LOL!  The Energy and the Fast have not hit the street yet!  LOL!  Oh well...  

The bottom line is this...  Why are pro shop owners getting upset with customers who bring in balls to get them drilled?  THEY MAKE MONEY EITHER WAY!!  They get paid if you buy from them or just get a ball drilled from them!  

Saving money is not a crime.  Yet, there is no excuse for the act lying to a customer.  I understand the point of supporting your local pro shop.  However, how do they expect someone to patronize their business when they blatantly try to mislead them.

And no, there is nothing wrong with my ball.  LOL!    

Any thoughts?...

Peace!  


 

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Re: Untruthful pro shop. They lied to me yesterday...
« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2009, 10:23:15 AM »
Shout out and a bump to DP3,
    You are absolutely correct. My money is not more valuable than the next customers money. Whether I am spending $25.00 to buy a new bowling glove or spending $250.00 to buy a new ball and bag, each customer desrves to be given the best service possible, IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY WALKED INTO YOUR SHOP!!!
The easiest way to lose a customers business, is to be helping a customer, then
"quit" helping that person to go " fix or drill" something up for a regular, putting the new customer on hold. Every customer deserves your best service,
without regard to how much money they are spending. We have two pro shops in town, I personally drive an hour and fifteen minutes to a pro shop out of state,simply because of customer service. AND I ALWAYS make an appointment so
that when I get there I receive my pro shop guy's undivided attention. KEN

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Re: Untruthful pro shop. They lied to me yesterday...
« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2009, 11:09:44 AM »
the one thing that sucks about proshops disliking outside balls is the kids in college. there is a collegiate pricing program that you purchase balls straight from the manufacture and you get them at about 90-100 bucks off the retail price (like 104 for high performance and 92 for benchmark type stuff) then you go to the proshop and they act like you went online to get it. i still end up saving like 50 each ball but at least the shop i go to he makes me feel like im cutting him down cuz i got it through the collegiate program
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Re: Untruthful pro shop. They lied to me yesterday...
« Reply #33 on: June 05, 2009, 11:30:44 AM »
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Oh, the ball was checked out on another machine at a different pro shop!  LOL!  

Peace!  




Did no one read this part?  You guys that are criticizing him for "knowing more than the pro shop" and "burning bridges" haven't bothered to see that he was right.  The blantant misleading comes from the shop trying to make his internet ball look bad in order to sell him the same ball out of his inventory.
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Re: Untruthful pro shop. They lied to me yesterday...
« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2009, 11:43:05 AM »
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Wow...how many individual customers do you have that generate $3,000 profit for you per year? (and $10-$12,000 over the past 3-4 years?) Not sales, profit?? I seriously doubt, or at least I'd be really surprised, that you have many, if any at all.

Put my profits over someone that buys a ball every three years from you? Are you sure you'd want to do that? I guess if you're the only shop for miles around you can "stick" it to me for "only" bringing you tons of business. Otherwise, I'd expect top priority...every time I walk in carrying four or five balls to be drilled. Luckily, I have options. Better still, my shop does give me top priority. One previous shop had your state of mind...his loss.

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Quick question.....I bring you 50-60 balls per year to drill for me for the past 3-4 years....do you still put me in the back of the line?




Lets see, in the past 5 years I've been operating a pro shop I've had at least 10 bowlers who have brought in 50+ balls a year in for me to drill.  The most I have ever drilled for one person in a 12 month span was 117 blanks, with only about a dozen of those bought from inside of my shop.  Out of those ten customers, none of them were as much of a pompous jerk to think that their money and time was more important than the walk ins who spent their hard earned money and time as well to get some equipment done on the same day.  If my clients have a big job to do, they will call me in advance to schedule time enough for me to put aside to handle them and one of the other workers can handle the walk ins.  

Just because you purchase alot of balls doesn't mean others should be compromised because of you when they were there first.  I went to the same starbucks for coffee every morning for 18 months straight of work.  On days the line was at the door I didn't expect them to usher me to the front because I felt like my money and business was better than everyone elses.  A pro shop should be respected as any other retail/service outlet.  First come, first serve, appointments made in advance.
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Re: Untruthful pro shop. They lied to me yesterday...
« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2009, 11:44:23 AM »
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the one thing that sucks about proshops disliking outside balls is the kids in college. there is a collegiate pricing program that you purchase balls straight from the manufacture and you get them at about 90-100 bucks off the retail price (like 104 for high performance and 92 for benchmark type stuff) then you go to the proshop and they act like you went online to get it. i still end up saving like 50 each ball but at least the shop i go to he makes me feel like im cutting him down cuz i got it through the collegiate program
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I drilled balls for the Texas Southern Lady Tigers program, NCAA program.  I usually gave them a deal, I liked the girls, they were soooo thankful for any little thing.  The guy running the program though was a micro managing moron, didn't know anything about bowling.  They did well in spite of him.  They did usually plan ahead, so time was not really an issue.

I drilled balls for the University of Houston bowlers.  I got a list of who was in the program and drilled their balls for $25.  They brought balls, grips, slugs, everything.  Those kids were very grateful too.

Not all pro shops dislike college bowlers.  Some kids try to take advantage of the system though.  Some programs can get just about unlimited amounts of equipment at a very low price, about what distributors pay.  Some kids then take these balls and sell them to anyone they can find for dirt.  I have seen it.  Flooding balls into the local area, it's just the principle of the matter.

Like was mentioned earlier, most pro shops don't mind internet or blank balls being brought in.  I had ala carte pricing, so drilling was added on and was the same price whether you bought the ball from me or not.  

My customers knew I was busy year round, knew that I worked my A%% off, and the huge majority of the time didn't mind waiting.  (There was a time that I was about 5-7 days turn around on getting a ball drilled for about a month time.  Just had pro am balls, equipment league balls, state tournament in my center, AND normal business all at the same time.  Pulled some all nighters in there.

I notice DC has not come back on and answered any of the questions posed to him.
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Re: Untruthful pro shop. They lied to me yesterday...
« Reply #36 on: June 05, 2009, 11:49:17 AM »
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Oh, the ball was checked out on another machine at a different pro shop!  LOL!  

Peace!  




Did no one read this part?  You guys that are criticizing him for "knowing more than the pro shop" and "burning bridges" haven't bothered to see that he was right.  The blantant misleading comes from the shop trying to make his internet ball look bad in order to sell him the same ball out of his inventory.
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Yes, Dan, I did catch this.  Please reread my first post.  When did he get it "checked out" by the other shop, before or after the shop in question?  We don't know?  If he "knew" the ball was good before, why didn't he call them on it?  Why didn't he get it drilled by the supposed "checking" pro shop?  If he had it checked out after he was at the mentioned shop, then HE DID NOT KNOW AT THE TIME that shop was juking him, which is what I suspect happened and that is why DCNet did not call them on it, he had no proof.

Hmmm????

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Re: Untruthful pro shop. They lied to me yesterday...
« Reply #37 on: June 05, 2009, 01:49:00 PM »
not sure what makes this a bad ball.  the determinator correctly depicts where the mb is.  so what if its off, just mark it with a pencil and drill it.  the only problem i could see if the line from the pin through the cg down to the mb is way off.  often the cg is either to the left or the right of that line and depending on whether you are a righty or lefty could make a difference for a specific layout especially with a high top weight ball.

Did the pro shop tell you what was wrong with the ball and why he could not drill it ?  In my mind for a ball to wobble, the core must be loose, otherwise even if the core in not positioned properly, it should find its preferred spin axis.

Does this make sense to anyone ?



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Re: Untruthful pro shop. They lied to me yesterday...
« Reply #38 on: June 05, 2009, 01:52:21 PM »
Other things that can make a ball "wobble" on a DeTerminator -

Balls that are out of round.
Pins sticking out above the surface of the ball.
Raised engraving.  (more a Brunswick thing)
Large holes.

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Re: Untruthful pro shop. They lied to me yesterday...
« Reply #39 on: June 05, 2009, 01:56:07 PM »
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Yes, Dan, I did catch this.  Please reread my first post.  When did he get it "checked out" by the other shop, before or after the shop in question?  We don't know?  If he "knew" the ball was good before, why didn't he call them on it?  Why didn't he get it drilled by the supposed "checking" pro shop?  If he had it checked out after he was at the mentioned shop, then HE DID NOT KNOW AT THE TIME that shop was juking him, which is what I suspect happened and that is why DCNet did not call them on it, he had no proof.

Hmmm????

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Mike, I know you addressed it, but most seem to be totally glossing over it.  We obviously don't know the whole story, but just like any business, there are some unethical people out there.  DCN got that funny feeling that something wasn't right at the shop, so he just smiled, packed up his stuff and left.  What good would it have done to get in an argument with the guy?  Without having his own machine, there is no way to prove that Pro Shop #1 was lying.    

I know and trust my pro shop guy, but I think it's wrong to just blindly trust someone just because they are a "Professional."  People keep saying "What if he wasn't lying?"  It doesn't matter, because he was lying.
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Re: Untruthful pro shop. They lied to me yesterday...
« Reply #40 on: June 05, 2009, 02:39:19 PM »
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Yes, Dan, I did catch this.  Please reread my first post.  When did he get it "checked out" by the other shop, before or after the shop in question?  We don't know?  If he "knew" the ball was good before, why didn't he call them on it?  Why didn't he get it drilled by the supposed "checking" pro shop?  If he had it checked out after he was at the mentioned shop, then HE DID NOT KNOW AT THE TIME that shop was juking him, which is what I suspect happened and that is why DCNet did not call them on it, he had no proof.

Hmmm????

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Mike, I know you addressed it, but most seem to be totally glossing over it.  We obviously don't know the whole story, but just like any business, there are some unethical people out there.  DCN got that funny feeling that something wasn't right at the shop, so he just smiled, packed up his stuff and left.  What good would it have done to get in an argument with the guy?  Without having his own machine, there is no way to prove that Pro Shop #1 was lying.    

I know and trust my pro shop guy, but I think it's wrong to just blindly trust someone just because they are a "Professional."  People keep saying "What if he wasn't lying?"  It doesn't matter, because he was lying.
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Agree with the unethical part, without being there, we just won't know.  I just didn't get the feeling from the OP that he just smiled, packed, and left.  His tone seems different than that.
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Re: Untruthful pro shop. They lied to me yesterday...
« Reply #41 on: June 05, 2009, 03:23:11 PM »
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MoRich, as far as I know, is the only company that factory spins a ball and marks an accurate PSA (MB)

The other companies mark a spot 6 3/4 " from Pin through CG..


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Re: Untruthful pro shop. They lied to me yesterday...
« Reply #42 on: June 05, 2009, 03:24:43 PM »
My reputation is at stake whenever I drill any bowling ball.  Every bowling ball shows the quality of my workmanship if it is sold in my shop or brought in from the outside.  I am very proud of my work and stand by it.  I will look at every ball that comes from the outside harder simply because if something does happen or is wrong my distributors ask where the ball came from. We lose quality control by not knowing where it came from (distributor).  Some are better than others. Some take it back for me some do not.  A man came in with a Scorchin Inferno that the cover was like lasagna.  Not going to drill that one!  He wanted me to take it and trade.  Not going to happen either.  It's $9 a ball to send it back.  We got with the internet dealer and found we both had accounts with the same distributor and made arrangements.

As for kids!  I give the kids a break.  Over the last few years I have drilled several Texas State Youth champions balls.  Several Dallas City champions equipment. Texas State High School champions. I have bowlers that drive 150 miles from Dallas to have me drill their equipment, including the Texas State Youth Scratch Div 1 All Events champion.  People ask them where they get their equipment done and when they tell them that they drive that distance they are shocked.  They win and I like it when they tell people it's one of the balls I did.

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Re: Untruthful pro shop. They lied to me yesterday...
« Reply #43 on: June 05, 2009, 03:28:10 PM »
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Here's what I tell my customers in my other business...band instrument repair when they say they need it right away.  (in other words they want to be put at the front of the line).

"That's fine.  I'll give you the names of every one ahead of you.  You call them and if they all say its OK for you jump inline then I'll do your work first".  

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Re: Untruthful pro shop. They lied to me yesterday...
« Reply #44 on: June 05, 2009, 03:31:34 PM »
I wish I had the money to buy 50+ balls a year. I'm lucky if I can buy 1 a year. Why would someone need 50+ different balls anyways?
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Re: Untruthful pro shop. They lied to me yesterday...
« Reply #45 on: June 05, 2009, 03:43:47 PM »
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I wish I had the money to buy 50+ balls a year. I'm lucky if I can buy 1 a year. Why would someone need 50+ different balls anyways?
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Why do some people go out and blow 50 bucks at a bar 3 days a week?  Enjoyment maybe?