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Jesse James

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USBC and Nationals Attendees
« on: April 22, 2022, 05:44:15 PM »
For all bowlers who have attended Nationals or more so for those that will be attending Nationals in the future, you should give serious consideration about filing a class action suit against the USBC for banning balls that have already been used in their sanctioned ongoing tournament.

The idiocy of this entire affair is outrageous! And it is a price loss to many in a whole lot of different ways.

Major inconvenience; shipping costs loss; replacement losses; and probably a few that I haven't thought of yet.

The mere fact that they are going to allow scores to stand from bowlers who used said balls before the banning.....points to an obvious inequity within this tournament. It goes against the standards of fairness!

They have yet to even prove the efficacy of their durometer testing. Someone other than regular bowlers has to pay!
« Last Edit: April 23, 2022, 09:37:52 AM by Jesse James »
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Re: USBC and Nationals Attendees
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2022, 02:47:30 PM »
Usually only people of make any real money in a class action lawsuit is the piece of shit lawyers.

If you want to put in the time and effort to receive a coupon worth $20 off your next tournament entry or whatever joke the settlement turns out to be then go ahead. But make no mistake, the lawyers will get paid the bulk of it.

I think we as a membership body should start demanding that shit bag Chad Murphy resign instead.

Just my opinion.
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Re: USBC and Nationals Attendees
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2022, 03:18:09 PM »
Usually only people of make any real money in a class action lawsuit is the piece of shit lawyers.

If you want to put in the time and effort to receive a coupon worth $20 off your next tournament entry or whatever joke the settlement turns out to be then go ahead. But make no mistake, the lawyers will get paid the bulk of it.

I think we as a membership body should start demanding that shit bag Chad Murphy resign instead.

Just my opinion.

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Re: USBC and Nationals Attendees
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2022, 08:00:56 AM »
Agreed!!!!

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Re: USBC and Nationals Attendees
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2022, 09:11:29 AM »
Anyone who bowled the tournament after the balls were excluded has no grounds to sue.  They knew what happened and still chose to participate.  Anyone who feels that strongly about the situation should have withdrawn and not participated.

The only people who could potentially sue are those who bowled before the exclusions were announced since they were unknowingly competing against other bowlers using potentially illegal equipment, and those scores were allowed to stand.

Once the exclusions were announced it was known.  Participants after that who bowl are basically agreeing with the USBC's handling of it, or don't care enough to withdraw.

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Re: USBC and Nationals Attendees
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2022, 09:47:38 AM »
Anyone who bowled the tournament after the balls were excluded has no grounds to sue.  They knew what happened and still chose to participate.  Anyone who feels that strongly about the situation should have withdrawn and not participated.

The only people who could potentially sue are those who bowled before the exclusions were announced since they were unknowingly competing against other bowlers using potentially illegal equipment, and those scores were allowed to stand.

Once the exclusions were announced it was known.  Participants after that who bowl are basically agreeing with the USBC's handling of it, or don't care enough to withdraw.

Either way it goes, you at least agree that because of the inequity created by the USBC, there are some bowlers who have grounds to sue!
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Re: USBC and Nationals Attendees
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2022, 11:06:39 AM »
Anyone who bowled the tournament after the balls were excluded has no grounds to sue.  They knew what happened and still chose to participate.  Anyone who feels that strongly about the situation should have withdrawn and not participated.

The only people who could potentially sue are those who bowled before the exclusions were announced since they were unknowingly competing against other bowlers using potentially illegal equipment, and those scores were allowed to stand.

Once the exclusions were announced it was known.  Participants after that who bowl are basically agreeing with the USBC's handling of it, or don't care enough to withdraw.

Either way it goes, you at least agree that because of the inequity created by the USBC, there are some bowlers who have grounds to sue!

Right, not *anyone* has grounds.  Only people that bowled prior to the decision on the excluded balls might have a potential case.  Even then, what would they want?  Refund of entry fee?  Refund of all expenses they paid to participate (airfare, rental cars, hotel, etc.)?  Throw out/disqualify all scores bowled with excluded equipment prior to the date the exclusions were announced?

When the scores are logged at National events, does the score sheet also require submission of the make/model/serial number of the ball used to bowl that score?  Is there any way that a court would even be able to know how many [or which] scores were bowled with equipment that was subsequently excluded?  What if someone used an excluded ball for only 1 game in their set, but then switched to an approved ball for the remainder?  What if someone used an excluded ball for only 5 frames of a game, and then switched to an approved ball?  Is the court going to call every "pre-exclusion" participant in as a witness and make them testify or submit a statement under oath as to whether or not they used an excluded ball to bowl their scores?  So many moving parts that it may be virtually impossible for any kind of settlement to be determined.

   

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Re: USBC and Nationals Attendees
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2022, 04:09:37 PM »
Anyone who bowled the tournament after the balls were excluded has no grounds to sue.  They knew what happened and still chose to participate.  Anyone who feels that strongly about the situation should have withdrawn and not participated.

The only people who could potentially sue are those who bowled before the exclusions were announced since they were unknowingly competing against other bowlers using potentially illegal equipment, and those scores were allowed to stand.

Once the exclusions were announced it was known.  Participants after that who bowl are basically agreeing with the USBC's handling of it, or don't care enough to withdraw.

Either way it goes, you at least agree that because of the inequity created by the USBC, there are some bowlers who have grounds to sue!

Right, not *anyone* has grounds.  Only people that bowled prior to the decision on the excluded balls might have a potential case.  Even then, what would they want?  Refund of entry fee?  Refund of all expenses they paid to participate (airfare, rental cars, hotel, etc.)?  Throw out/disqualify all scores bowled with excluded equipment prior to the date the exclusions were announced?

When the scores are logged at National events, does the score sheet also require submission of the make/model/serial number of the ball used to bowl that score?  Is there any way that a court would even be able to know how many [or which] scores were bowled with equipment that was subsequently excluded?  What if someone used an excluded ball for only 1 game in their set, but then switched to an approved ball for the remainder?  What if someone used an excluded ball for only 5 frames of a game, and then switched to an approved ball?  Is the court going to call every "pre-exclusion" participant in as a witness and make them testify or submit a statement under oath as to whether or not they used an excluded ball to bowl their scores?  So many moving parts that it may be virtually impossible for any kind of settlement to be determined.

   

"When the scores are logged at National events, does the score sheet also require submission of the make/model/serial number of the ball used to bowl that score?"

I haven't bowled in Nationals for quite a while, but no, not when I was bowling it.  They would check your balls in at the scales to verify they passed the current standards but did not record what balls you brought nor was it recorded what balls were used while bowling.
 
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Re: USBC and Nationals Attendees
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2022, 10:10:45 AM »
The only way to hurt USBC is for leagues not to sanction and form a new governing body, bowlers to protest the National tourney, and USBC will cease to exist until something drastic is done.

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Re: USBC and Nationals Attendees
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2022, 10:33:36 AM »
All these people that complain about the USBC, but I never see any of them say they are running to be on their local board so they can get change started. Whining is so much easier. SMH.
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Re: USBC and Nationals Attendees
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2022, 11:35:43 AM »
All these people that complain about the USBC, but I never see any of them say they are running to be on their local board so they can get change started. Whining is so much easier. SMH.

Well Spinbowler what you see and what you know are clearly two different things! I for one have emailed Chad Murphy on more than one occasion to discuss issues that I've had with the USBC......and have yet to even receive a comment or acknowledgment for having my email read!
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Re: USBC and Nationals Attendees
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2022, 11:59:58 AM »
All these people that complain about the USBC, but I never see any of them say they are running to be on their local board so they can get change started. Whining is so much easier. SMH.

I have been on my local association board. Just because people don't mention it, doesn't mean it's not happening.
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Re: USBC and Nationals Attendees
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2022, 02:00:18 PM »
Have family members who have served on the local board.  The local board was just as effective as the national office.  Political infighting, indecisiveness on issues, failure to act.  They eventually resigned from their positions as they spent a lot of their volunteer time working for the board only to have that work result in nothing or be thrown away.  Some members were certainly conscientious and fully vested, but the vast majority were on a major power trip and simply barked orders [and those orders were always questioned.]