Author Topic: USBC Equip & Spec : Center of Gravity placement on a symmetrical bowling ball: How critical is it? (Read 9171 times)

bgh · « **on:** July 31, 2007, 08:44:37 AM »

Article : USBC Equipment Specifications and Certification - Center of Gravity placement on a symmetrical bowling ball: How critical is it? - By Paul Ridenour, USBC research engineer

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Fluff E Bunnie · « **Reply #31 on:** August 01, 2007, 11:04:20 AM »

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Dan Belcher · « **Reply #32 on:** August 01, 2007, 11:04:36 AM »

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The ball get's into it's roll 4ft sooner which makes a big difference.

With an illegal CG. That distance would be of course smaller with a ball that actually was drilled within legal USBC limits.

CG DOES matter to a degree, but not as much as pin placement or coverstock for example.

« **Reply #33 on:** August 01, 2007, 11:04:56 AM »

Like I said earlier in this post:

P-L-E-A-S-E.... Kill... me... now...

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« **Reply #34 on:** August 01, 2007, 11:09:20 AM »

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I'll take one! But I'm going to test it for accuracy. It better be symmetrical, too...

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Steven · « **Reply #35 on:** August 01, 2007, 11:13:06 AM »

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If you think you can see the difference, you probably will. But don't forget to put a tooth under your pillow tonight for the Tooth Fairy...

notclay: We saw the difference in the Brunswick video over the last few shots. It was not imagined, but very real. Most would consider positive going through the nose while the the negative still struck a meaningful difference.

Where there is 'difference', there is area for a better bowler to consider when setting up equipment. Even though it's relatively minor, it appears to be enough to at least think about.
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Joe Jr · « **Reply #36 on:** August 01, 2007, 11:18:24 AM »

I still think in real world situations( 1/2oz vs o) you'll never see a difference. But it does show there is a bigger difference when taken to the extreme then I thought...

Nice test!
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« **Reply #37 on:** August 01, 2007, 11:19:42 AM »

I agree that there is a very slight difference. The average bowler would probably never see it because he can't hit his target twice in a row with the approximate same speed.

That's why this argument is so insane. It took a robot to decide the difference in 1 foot at the breakpoint.

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RSalas · « **Reply #38 on:** August 01, 2007, 11:21:32 AM »

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Where there is 'difference', there is area for a better bowler to consider when setting up equipment. Even though it's relatively minor, it appears to be enough to at least think about.

Point taken. But for the vastest majority of us (myself included at the forefront), it would be a better use of our time to practice our shotmaking and our spare shooting than to worry about ending statics.
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chitown · « **Reply #39 on:** August 01, 2007, 11:22:39 AM »

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I agree that there is a very slight difference. The average bowler would probably never see it because he can't hit his target twice in a row with the approximate same speed.

That's why this argument is so insane. It took a robot to decide the difference in 1 foot at the breakpoint.

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notclay

Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah

"He who dies with the most bowling balls is still dead."

You keep saying one foot at the break point. What about getting into it's roll 4ft earlier?
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« **Reply #40 on:** August 01, 2007, 11:24:02 AM »

Point taken. But for the vastest majority of us (myself included at the forefront), it would be a better use of our time to practice our shotmaking and our spare shooting than to worry about ending statics.
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Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah

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« **Reply #41 on:** August 01, 2007, 11:30:04 AM »

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You keep saying one foot at the break pint. What about getting into it's roll 4ft earlier?
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Actually I was talking about breakpoint. Some bowlers do break pints, however.

Regarding the four feet of earlier roll, that's nice.

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notclay

Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah

"He who dies with the most bowling balls is still dead."

« **Reply #42 on:** August 01, 2007, 11:33:24 AM »

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Point taken. But for the vastest majority of us (myself included at the forefront), it would be a better use of our time to practice our shotmaking and our spare shooting than to worry about ending statics.
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nospareball · « **Reply #43 on:** August 01, 2007, 12:06:02 PM »

1 foot at the breakpoint is true, but how much difference at the breakpoint does having a pin up or pin down make?
A 2" swing of the pin up or down with the same pin to pap distance probably won't make more than a foot or 2 difference. But you can't go a day without seeing a thread about someone worrying about pin up or pin down. "OMG, pin up and it will never turn the corner!" or "I don't want the ball to start up too soon with a pin down drill!"
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Fluff E Bunnie · « **Reply #44 on:** August 01, 2007, 12:15:31 PM »

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Like I said earlier in this post:

P-L-E-A-S-E.... Kill... me... now...

I'm checking out some stuff on suicidegunreviews.com. You can have mine when I am done.
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RealBowler · « **Reply #45 on:** August 01, 2007, 12:32:59 PM »

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First of all, in the opening credits, it states that Nick's video is on Brunswick's website, that is incorrect, it is BrunsNick's website.

Secondly, they tested 2 Columbia balls. They did not test 2 Brunswick bowling balls or Ebonite or any other compnay for that matter. Therefore, how can you state anything more than the CG apparently matters in Columbia bowling balls, nothing else. All companies manufacture bowling balls differently, including infrastructure.

It is a valid test in reference to Columbia balls and really nothing else.
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WOW! Care to let us know how the Brunswick manufacturing process is able to eliminate the CG "difference"?

Once again, this just goes to show how this whole argument will never be settled. You will always have somebody that says:

- You only tested one manufacturer;
- You only threw it on one lane condition;
- You only threw it on one type of lane, using one type of oil;
- What was the humidity in the room at the time? My center has more/less humidity and that might make a difference

etc, etc, etc.

Then to top it all off, we can't even have a decent discussion without the moronic kiddies like notclay and Fluff E Bunnie interjecting their childish remarks. Even now, half of the posts in this thread are irrelevant to the discussion.

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