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Re: USBC Petition for Jackal Recertification
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2016, 03:06:24 PM »
You gave to listen to hear...or it won't matter
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Re: USBC Petition for Jackal Recertification
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2016, 03:29:48 PM »
The USBC is likely to reverse this Jackal decision just as soon as they reverse their decision their Glenn Allison/900's decision.

The USBC is slightly right of and more conservative than the Catholic Church who took 800 years to reverse their decision about Galileo.
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Re: USBC Petition for Jackal Recertification
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2016, 03:43:07 PM »
The USBC is likely to reverse this Jackal decision just as soon as they reverse their decision their Glenn Allison/900's decision.

The USBC is slightly right of and more conservative than the Catholic Church who took 800 years to reverse their decision about Galileo.

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Re: USBC Petition for Jackal Recertification
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2016, 04:03:12 PM »
If 500,000, out of the approximately 800,000 USBC members, signed that petition, they still would make up some excuse as to why it shouldn't be done.
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Re: USBC Petition for Jackal Recertification
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2016, 05:58:32 PM »
If 500,000, out of the approximately 800,000 USBC members, signed that petition, they still would make up some excuse as to why it shouldn't be done.

Very true, but I think it's important that membership speak loudly because the USBC hasn't been listening for a long time and it's time for a wake up call! #AFutureForMembership #WhoDoesUSBCWorkFor
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Re: USBC Petition for Jackal Recertification
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2016, 06:51:22 PM »
I signed it cuz the whole thing is out of hand.  Ya know motiv made the mistake, so who cares what happens to them.

But to make the bowlers pay the price? I got every jackal owner I know, upset, confused, asking 'how is it their fault' going on.

Most of em said screw the USBC and bowled with the ball during league...they could care less..
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Re: USBC Petition for Jackal Recertification
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2016, 06:57:32 PM »
You would have a better shot at winning Powerball than that ever happening. You have to remember that it's a struggle for them to even get sanction cards out in a timely manner that bowlers pay $20 for in late August/early September.

As for them working for us, the majority could care less because it is run like some exclusive country club only for the select few.

Now, I can see the Carnage being removed, but the Jackal was a witch hunt, plain and simple. If it was six months, I could understand. But a year and a half?
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Re: USBC Petition for Jackal Recertification
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2016, 06:59:30 PM »
The whole situation was a witch hunt...from the questionable start to the asinine decision
How anyone can trust or believe in the governing body astonishes me
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Re: USBC Petition for Jackal Recertification
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2016, 07:38:29 PM »
The whole situation was a witch hunt...from the questionable start to the asinine decision
How anyone can trust or believe in the governing body astonishes me

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Re: USBC Petition for Jackal Recertification
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2016, 08:42:48 PM »
A lot of people complain that USBC never does anything or ignores things. So know the have penalized the ball company a fine & probation & banned 2 Illegal bowling balls and people are know complaining they went to far. Sorry if the balls are out of spec they do not belong in competition ( an if used after 3/16/16 the game can be forfeited & a person could be & should be disqualified from a tournament for using the banned bowling balls). An this all FALLS ON THE BALL COMPANY for a lack of quality control. Especially when you flirt with the top end of the spec #.

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Re: USBC Petition for Jackal Recertification
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2016, 09:02:15 PM »
Do you honestly understand the variance they're creating this over? It's less than the thickness of a piece of paper and any other form of manufacturing there is a variance of tolerance...they are non compliant due to an absolute...and its really hurting not only Motiv but the bowkers as usual...
Here's two different scenarios...any core after drilling can have the dynamics altered in drastic ways...one where the diff can be completely eliminated or one where the diff can be doubled...
And you can do more damage, by taking 80 grit to a cover than a diff that is over by a few 1000's of an inch...
This is a blatant abuse of power...many better ways this could of been dealt with
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Re: USBC Petition for Jackal Recertification
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2016, 09:22:02 PM »
 I agree with Rico.
 It has been already been proven after drilling the P4 hole depending upon distance will increase your Diff. almost nearly triple.
 You don't like this post. Then just ask your friend Phil C...... Or Mo P.

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Re: USBC Petition for Jackal Recertification
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2016, 09:23:25 PM »
Rico....you have much more insight into the bowling industry as me and probably have forgotten more about bowling than I will ever know, but...as a Risk Manager at a bank, I know that you have to have limits and cutoffs and you have to stick to those numbers. If the USBC allows someone to exceed the diff, than how about the pro that goes over the foul line by 1/32 of an inch? Whether its 1/32 of an inch or 10 feet, the bowler is still over the foul line and trips the buzzer, causing a 0 for that shot.  If we would allow a bowler to go past the foul line by 1/32 of an inch, then the next bowler would want it to be ok to go over by 1/16 of an inch, and so on. Once you allow a rule to be circumvented, you allow any rule open for discussion to circumvention and your rules, laws, and regulations lose credibility and are impossible to enforce.

I drilled for years, was on Track staff, Hammer staff, and MoRich staff, and from my time with Mo and Del I know and understand how little .01 diff is, especially with mass bias balls and the super advanced covers we have today, but there has to be a cutoff somewhere, arbitrary or not.

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Re: USBC Petition for Jackal Recertification
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2016, 09:47:14 PM »
Do you honestly understand the variance they're creating this over? It's less than the thickness of a piece of paper and any other form of manufacturing there is a variance of tolerance...they are non compliant due to an absolute...and its really hurting not only Motiv but the bowkers as usual...
Here's two different scenarios...any core after drilling can have the dynamics altered in drastic ways...one where the diff can be completely eliminated or one where the diff can be doubled...
And you can do more damage, by taking 80 grit to a cover than a diff that is over by a few 1000's of an inch...
This is a blatant abuse of power...many better ways this could of been dealt with

BINGO!!! USBC calls Motiv and says this is what we found here is your punishment, you don't get to fix this without us dropping the hammer on you that's not good at all.