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spmcgivern

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Be careful who you bowl pot games against
« on: March 25, 2016, 08:19:49 AM »
Seems there are people bowling for big stakes in Cincinnati. 

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/15062173/adrien-broner-faces-felony-assault-robbery-charges-cincinnati

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TMZ Sports reported details of an incident in which Broner, 26, allegedly assaulted and robbed a man using a gun outside a Cincinnati bowling alley in the early morning hours of Jan. 21 following high-stakes betting on bowling games.

Citing court documents, TMZ Sports reported that Broner knocked the man unconscious and took money from his pocket before leaving the scene.

According to the Cincinnati Enquirer, the suit filed in Hamilton County Common Pleas Court says Broner and the alleged victim, Christopher Carson, had been wagering as much as $6,000 per bowling match.

Carson had won $8,000 from Broner before the fighter ran out of cash, the lawsuit states, according to the Enquirer report. Broner then wagered another $6,000 on credit, the lawsuit alleges.

Broner "became upset and left the bowling alley" when, after Carson had won a total of $14,000 and Broner sought a $6,000 bet for a final game, Carson declined.

The lawsuit states that Broner was waiting outside the bowling alley with a group of eight men when Carson left at about 3 a.m.

Carson was punched twice by a gun-in-hand Broner, the suit says, according to the Enquirer, splitting his chin open and knocking him out. While Carson was unconscious, $12,000 in cash was taken from him, the suit says.

"Adrien seems to have a penchant for walking around town and slugging people," said Carson's attorney, Chris Finney, according to the Enquirer. "We want it to stop."

I looked for a Christopher Carson in the Bowl.com database and in Cincinnati, there was one with a 140 average from 2003-2004.  Even against someone with that average, I am not sure I am willing to bet that kind of cash.

 

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Re: Be careful who you bowl pot games against
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2016, 09:33:44 AM »
There are pathetic losers in all walks of life  !!

tkkshop

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Re: Be careful who you bowl pot games against
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2016, 09:44:06 AM »
I've got a good friend who wagers best of 5's for 5k. Winner take all. He has only had 2 people do it so far. Both have paid without issue, so far.

Bowler19525

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Re: Be careful who you bowl pot games against
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2016, 12:54:47 PM »
So they engage in illegal gambling.  Then one of them gets angry, brandishes a firearm and assaults the other (more illegal activity).  Not sure how a court would address any of this.  Do the illegal activities cancel each other out, and the judge basically admonishes both parties and dismisses the case?  Does the "victim" get the money back even though it was acquired through illegal gambling?  Does the guy that committed the assault serve jail time?  Actually kind of interesting...

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Re: Be careful who you bowl pot games against
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2016, 02:00:20 PM »
I don't see how it's illegal gambling.  Bowler19525, where are you getting that the gambling was illegal? 

Me bowling you for money, personally, is legal.  Like tkk noted, he's got a guy that will shoe up if someone responds to the challenge.

Regardless, Cincinnati gonna Cincinnati.   :-X
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Bowler19525

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Re: Be careful who you bowl pot games against
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2016, 03:08:41 PM »
There is a big difference between a $5 "friendly wager" [or "winner buys lunch" deal] and a $5,000 pot game.  It essentially boils down to a head-to-head sports bet, which is illegal in most States unless sponsored by a licensed gambling organization.

In any event, it will be interesting to see if we ever hear what happens with the lawsuit.       

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Re: Be careful who you bowl pot games against
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2016, 03:18:22 PM »
So they engage in illegal gambling.  Then one of them gets angry, brandishes a firearm and assaults the other (more illegal activity).  Not sure how a court would address any of this.  Do the illegal activities cancel each other out, and the judge basically admonishes both parties and dismisses the case?  Does the "victim" get the money back even though it was acquired through illegal gambling?  Does the guy that committed the assault serve jail time?  Actually kind of interesting...


Really  :o :o :o :o

Of course the guy gets charged for the assault and robbery.  I work in a prison, and there are plenty of people in here for robbing and assaulting drug dealers.  Doesn't matter if the guy lost his money through legal or illegal gambling, you can' seriously assault someone and rob them with a firearm.
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Re: Be careful who you bowl pot games against
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2016, 03:29:44 PM »
There is a big difference between a $5 "friendly wager" [or "winner buys lunch" deal] and a $5,000 pot game.  It essentially boils down to a head-to-head sports bet, which is illegal in most States unless sponsored by a licensed gambling organization.

In any event, it will be interesting to see if we ever hear what happens with the lawsuit.     

No, the amount doesn't matter.  Pot games are legal.  If the house was taking a cut that would make it illegal.  Since the house wasn't a sponsor, it is a private matter between two individuals.  Perhaps it's your state or something.....

Poker is a great analogy.  Stakes are no problem, it's when rake is introduced that the game becomes illegal.

The assault and weapon introduction is where the legal troubles begin for the boxer.
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Re: Be careful who you bowl pot games against
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2016, 04:35:36 PM »
So they engage in illegal gambling.  Then one of them gets angry, brandishes a firearm and assaults the other (more illegal activity).  Not sure how a court would address any of this.  Do the illegal activities cancel each other out, and the judge basically admonishes both parties and dismisses the case?  Does the "victim" get the money back even though it was acquired through illegal gambling?  Does the guy that committed the assault serve jail time?  Actually kind of interesting...


Really  :o :o :o :o

Of course the guy gets charged for the assault and robbery.  I work in a prison, and there are plenty of people in here for robbing and assaulting drug dealers.  Doesn't matter if the guy lost his money through legal or illegal gambling, you can' seriously assault someone and rob them with a firearm.

I am not condoning the assault at all.  In your example of the drug dealer, it would be pretty gutsy for a drug dealer to sue someone for their money back that they themselves got through selling drugs.

Just like this bowler suing the other guy for assaulting him and stealing the money he got from bowling pot games.

Perhaps there is a chance for a new reality show here.  "High Stakes Bowling".  Just everyday people bowling pot games.