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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: batbowler on August 07, 2019, 08:58:43 PM
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Can someone give me the Reader's Digest condensed rules for youth wanting to bowl in adult leagues? The question came up in our bowling meeting tonight, because one guy wants his grandson to sub. It was brought up that everyone in the league would have to take the two hour online Safesport class to bowl in the league. I was under the impression that the league would have to vote to let him bowl. I searched on bowl.com, but couldn't find much info! Sounds like a way to destroy an adult league! Thanks
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Any bowler under 18 sanctioned as an adult requires the whole league of adults 18 and over to take the 2hr+ course.
Any youth/adult league also requires all adults to do the course.
Failure to take the course results in termination/DQ of bowlers in said league.
I think you will need to call usbc directly in regards to your question. I can't imagine them allowing a league to vote not to allow a bowler to participate. Especially when the person is now considered a sanctioned usbc adult member. Only that they are under 18.
#growthesport #olympics #cahd
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When does this take effect? I'm subbing in an adult/junior league tomorrow night and won't have time to watch some two-hour video before then.
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here is another thing to consider for youth bowling in an adult league. and that is their other activities like school sports and how bowling in adult leagues impact that.
I bowled in an adult league at age 15/16; and it nearly cost me my eligiblity for High School Sports. My Dad found a loop hole, by putting my prize money in a trust or something.
This was in the Mid 1990s, and rules may vary state to state regarding the High school sports association.
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I can tell you this, if i want to bowl a league, and i get DQ'd or thrown out because an underage teen wants to bowl and i get forced to go to a 2hr course just to be able to bowl, that will be the day USBC loses me as a bowler. Will never bowl again. Forcing stuff on their membership and telling them do this or you wont be able to bowl is not right. If 'they' were paying me yea that's fine. But I'm paying them so they cant dictate what i have to do. They would also have to reimburse me my sanction fee and all league fees up to said point. What does this do to tournaments also? So if an underage person bowls nationals, and there are bowlers bowling nationals that haven't been thru the training, are they forced to go thru the training before they bowl the tourney? Quick fix to all this, in the league signup at the beginning of the year, state in the requirements for the league that the league is for bowlers 18+ only and we can all avoid the controversies.
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I can tell you this, if i want to bowl a league, and i get DQ'd or thrown out because an underage teen wants to bowl and i get forced to go to a 2hr course just to be able to bowl, that will be the day USBC loses me as a bowler. Will never bowl again. Forcing stuff on their membership and telling them do this or you wont be able to bowl is not right. If 'they' were paying me yea that's fine. But I'm paying them so they cant dictate what i have to do. They would also have to reimburse me my sanction fee and all league fees up to said point. What does this do to tournaments also? So if an underage person bowls nationals, and there are bowlers bowling nationals that haven't been thru the training, are they forced to go thru the training before they bowl the tourney? Quick fix to all this, in the league signup at the beginning of the year, state in the requirements for the league that the league is for bowlers 18+ only and we can all avoid the controversies.
Doesn't apply to tournaments, only pro longed exposure. Is the justification.
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Can someone give me the Reader's Digest condensed rules for youth wanting to bowl in adult leagues? The question came up in our bowling meeting tonight, because one guy wants his grandson to sub. It was brought up that everyone in the league would have to take the two hour online Safesport class to bowl in the league. I was under the impression that the league would have to vote to let him bowl. I searched on bowl.com, but couldn't find much info! Sounds like a way to destroy an adult league! Thanks
Your best bet for a answer is to just write the rules dept of the USBC for clarification.
To me this all this Safesport seems to be for people in the Registered Volunteer Program, not ordinary league members/bowlers.
But how the info is written does make it sound like it might apply to ordinary league members and might could force them to become Registered Volunteers.
https://www.bowl.com/Registered_Volunteer_Program/RVP_Home/Information/ (https://www.bowl.com/Registered_Volunteer_Program/RVP_Home/Information/)
Who is a required to become a Registered Volunteer?
Anyone 18 years of age or older who has regular contact or authority over USBC Youth members and those individuals within USBC governance structure. Specific roles or positions within USBC require compliance. Those roles are:
USBC Headquarters employees
USBC National Board and Youth Committee members
USBC Team USA and Junior Team USA Members
State and Local Youth Committee members and directors
State and Local Association Board members
State and Local Association Managers
USBC Youth league officers
USBC Youth tournament managers
USBC Certified Coaches
SafeSport Trained Course
The “SafeSport Trained†course is required for the following individuals:
Anyone in a role which requires one to be a Registered Volunteer Members 18 years of age or older bowling in a league with members 17 years of age or younger in either:
An adult league which allows individuals 17 or younger to bowl
An adult/youth league
If you want to go to a extreme, this section:
Who is a required to become a Registered Volunteer?
Anyone 18 years of age or older who has regular contact or authority over USBC Youth members ...
The youth bowlers parents would have to take the course, they have regular contact or authority on their child. Their kid wants to USBC bowl so then does that mean they have to do it?
In away you could also say that spectators have regular contact so they have to take the course ?
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>> They would also have to reimburse me my sanction fee and all league fees up to said point.
Some people crack me up. This sounds great and all, but you know darn well the USBC ain't paying you anything back. ROTFL.
The simple way is this: 1) don't allow anyone under 18 in your adult league and 2) Do not certify your adult/youth league. Thus, SafeSport will not be required.
As a USBC certified coach, I've already done SafeSport and RVP so I don't have a stake in this. This won't affect me.
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This would be the "Straw that broke the Camel's Back" for me. USBC can kiss my ass before I watch a two hour video so someone else could bowl.
Chad Murphy is an asshole.
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Figures bowling would also take the hit because of another "sport" whose entire existence is about exploiting children finally blew up in their face (gymnastics).
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I guess the adult leagues will have to have a age requirement to bowl! I think having it in the league rules that you have to be 18 years old should cover it!
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I guess the best solution for adult leagues would be having age requirement! If we state in league rules that you have to be 18 years old to bowl.
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Figures bowling would also take the hit because of another "sport" whose entire existence is about exploiting children finally blew up in their face (gymnastics).
Only if trying to be in the olympics.
Chasing fools gold
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I can't imagine them allowing a league to vote not to allow a bowler to participate. Especially when the person is now considered a sanctioned usbc adult member. Only that they are under 18.
#growthesport #olympics #cahd
People have to read between the lines. Youth bowling is suffering at the league level, and this rule would edge people under 18 to stay with youth leagues.
Asking 50+ people to take the safesport so kids could bowl, isn't reasonable at all. No need to expose "children" to the adolescent actions of grown ups who may be drinking and just letting their hair down after a long day of work.
Let kids be kids, and let adults be adults who may or may not want to act immature.
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This issue has been around in one form or another for many years. Around 1990 we had a US Open spot that was awarded to the winner of our scratch association tournament. A 17 year old won the spot, as we didnt realize ABC had an age restriction of 18 for participation in the national tourney. The dad was ready to sue the ABC when they wouldnt let him take the spot. The irony was that the kid had been bowling nationals for at least 2 years, and was allowed to do so.
The kid had no decent junior programs available as an alternative to adult participation.
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There are still actually people who think this is USBC's doing? Richgels has written a couple articles about it and it's all over Facebook, this is a national thing that USBC has no choice in, as well as the decision to move the youth eligibility age to 18. As much as I'm down to Cahd bash, this isn't his fault.
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There are still actually people who think this is USBC's doing? Richgels has written a couple articles about it and it's all over Facebook, this is a national thing that USBC has no choice in, as well as the decision to move the youth eligibility age to 18. As much as I'm down to Cahd bash, this isn't his fault.
Just in case my post was the(or one of) instigator for your post, I wasn't blaming Chad, just sharing an opinion. ;D
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Milo,
Went back and read your original post (page 1). Does it mean that Chad Murphy is officially off your Christmas card list?
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Milo,
Went back and read your original post (page 1). Does it mean that Chad Murphy is officially off your Christmas card list?
Depends on whether or not I can find a card that conveys my true feelings toward him.
I probably won't find what I need at a Hallmark store. ;D
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They only have to do this if they want to be an Olympic sport right? What's sad is how they will do this and never be an Olympic sport anyway.
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I don't have a subscription to Richgel's site, so I can't read his take, but when I look at the USBC page on this I can't find anything that says individual bowlers have to complete this training, only those adults in the volunteer program.
As others have said, just put in language barring junior bowlers from your adult leagues, problem solved. I will bring it up at my fall league's start and recommend they pass it into the bylaws.
It's not unreasonable to make sure the volunteers/coaches complete the training. Individual league bowlers ... um, no. I'm not watching videos so I can bowl.
It's unfortunate. I got my start as a junior in an adult league because I had no other options in our small town. But if it comes down to Safesport training for all, or banning the juniors, ban 'em.
Jess
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Any other sports posting about this? Not seeing it in high school with volunteers. Not seeing tenis, golf, or other sports complaining about this.
Has to be more to it then a blanket it "the man" is mandating this
Everything I'm finding in searches is olympic related sports and require it yearly.
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I wrote the USBC rules dept. about this here's their reply.
Question:
Is it true that if a adult league allows individuals 17 or younger to bowl, That every adult bowler on the league would have to take a two hour online Safesport class to be allowed to bowl in the league and if they Fail to take the course it result in termination/DQ of bowlers in said league?
Example: A league of 32 teams (A 128 bowlers) has member that wants their 17 yearold son to be a sub on the league, The league approves it. So now 128 bowlers have to take a class or else be kicked off the league.
If true is the best option so that the league doesn't fold up or decide not to certify because of this, to have the league rules state no one under 17 is allowed to bowl under any conditions.
ANSWER:
Good Morning,
This is in regards to your email below.
All of the adults (18 years of age and older) who compete in a league that also has participants who are 17 years of age or younger, must be SafeSport trained effective immediately. Attached is the SafeSport policy that states the requirement. This can also be accessed through the RVP Handbook (pg. 13) which takes you to the SafeSport website where the policy is located.
Additionally, all of the officers of a league that has participants under the age of 18, will need to be RVP compliant (SafeSport trained and background screening with the NCSI).
If a participant fails to complete the training, they are considered an ineligible bowler. Their games could be subjected to forfeiture.
Please let me know if you have further questions or concerns.
Jennifer Land
Rules Counselor
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Safe Sport Training Video
The United States Olympic Committee (USOC) implemented SafeSport as a way to protect athletes competing under the Olympic umbrella from misconduct. Since its initial implementation by the USOC in late 2012, a US Center for SafeSport has been created with an independent advisory council and a new USOC Director of Ethics and SafeSport.
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Note to self...league meeting on the first night explain this rule and propose a league rule of no bowlers under the age of 18 permitted. This Safesport requirement would be impossible to administer on a league of 160 bowlers such as the one I bowl on.
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Note to self...league meeting on the first night explain this rule and propose a league rule of no bowlers under the age of 18 permitted. This Safesport requirement would be impossible to administer on a league of 160 bowlers such as the one I bowl on.
We just had our meeting and the local assoc. was there told us about it and that's what we did.
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I haven't see the video, nor will I. I can tell you a brief summary of what it says.
Guys, keeps your dick in your pants.
Because adults need to be told how to act like decent human beings.
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Bowling will NEVER be an Olympic sport. The Olympic scam will stop before Chad and his cronies ever gets in on the graft.
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Is there a single league that would be willing to go along with this?
What in God's name were they thinking?
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Talked with a youth coach and he said all of his youth bowlers who are 18 have to go through this to continue bowling in the youth programs.
I guess if a youth bowler turns 18 during the season, then they have to do this if they want to continue bowling with their (younger) friends.
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They only have to do this if they want to be an Olympic sport right? What's sad is how they will do this and never be an Olympic sport anyway.
No.
This is a federal law, not something the usbc came up with to get in the olympics.
Protecting Young Victims from Sexual Abuse and Safe Sport Authorization Act of 2017
Sponsor: Sen. Feinstein, Dianne [D-CA] (Introduced 03/06/2017)
Committees: Senate - Judiciary
Latest Action: 02/14/2018 Became Public Law No: 115-126
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Every member of the local USBC Board of Directors is required to take the Safesport training and undergo the background check. Even if they never interact with bowlers under the age of 18 while serving on the board.
I understand the intent and spirit of the training, however expecting entire leagues to be willing to take the training just to allow/accommodate a bowler under the age of 18 to participate in an adult league is unreasonable.
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As much as I don't like certain things going on with USBC, this isn't their fault.
People can thank Jerry Sandusky for this one.
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No, people can thank liberal politicians who are able to be bribed. It's not a coincidence that it's a California politician who sponsored this bill.
Look into who is making money off of this "training" and check how much money they donated to politicians. That will tell you all you need to know. I would bet they are a "non-profit" of some type, which is just another way to skim money.
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Talked with a youth coach and he said all of his youth bowlers who are 18 have to go through this to continue bowling in the youth programs.
I guess if a youth bowler turns 18 during the season, then they have to do this if they want to continue bowling with their (younger) friends.
WOW, didn't even think about that one. Makes my 18 yo son's decision easy. Just got done with the state finals tourney and has 2 more weeks left of the summer youth season. Then he is done with youth bowling.
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Sandusky and Nassar were both enabled by corrupt college sport organizations. Same with Baylor. Talk about a system rotten to the core (FIFA at least has to pay the players). USBC isn't so bad compared to that den of snakes. Figures they are behind this as adults taking advantage of kids and young adults is what they do.
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Complete ridiculousness.
What's worst about it is it doesn't stop anyone who wants to commit such a crime from committing one. It just makes it a helluva lot harder.
"But there's a background check." Nice, when was the last time you got carded when you signed up for league? I remember the ABC intake form used to have a spot on it for Social Security number. I didn't think my local league secretary needed that information, so I never filled it out. Guess how many times I was ever asked to provide it after the fact? Your guess of "Zero" is correct, sir/ma'am.
Right now in league, you can sign up as Frosty McPoopydog and you'll get a USBC card with that name on it. You think a sex offender/addict isn't going to figure out a workaround from day one? Just more ridiculous government regulation that does nothing besides create more oversight for the heck of it.
Jess
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https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/534 (https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/534)
This has a summary of safesport along with a pdf of the full 9 page bill.
No where have I read requiring said 2 hour course. It does talk about training in regards to those in charge to understand how to report abuse etc. The clip below is repeated a lot about reasoning for safesport.
The center has jurisdiction over the U.S. Olympic Committee, NGBs, and Paralympic sports organizations with respect to safeguarding amateur athletes from abuse. It must develop training, practices, policies, and procedures to prevent abuse.
The articles online repeat
For example, USA Gymnastics would implement and enforce policies to ensure coaches and personnel are trained in sexual abuse prevention