Author Topic: usbc sportshot crap (Read 20230 times)

tfav44 · « **on:** April 20, 2008, 05:12:34 AM »

is anyone else sick of the sportshot crap the usbc keeps shoving at us, I have read that league bowling membership is declining, iknow that this is true in my area. I live in mich. and the decline of the auto industry is having a huge impact on our leagues.Jobs, Money, and time are tight so guys are having to cut back. the usbc is basically ignoring normal house leagues and is pushing pba experience and sport leagues. the thing is we don't have the time and disposable income to devote to having all this extra equipment and practice time. everyone on my team averages over 200, we have all decided to cut back to once a week bowling. we tired of the usbc telling us that what we are doing doesn't measure up and for the "integrity of the game we should switch to a pba exp. league.
thats my rant
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TDC57 · « **Reply #211 on:** April 24, 2008, 09:50:27 PM »

eagle,

You're a numb nuts. You completely mistook what Bob said and turned it into your narrow minded blather. You're wrong on another note. The game was built by average league bowlers. The super stars you named helped give it name recognition. Also, the guys you named were good guys, people who were not elitists like you. They knew who put the butter on the bread. Wise up.

tenpin477 · « **Reply #212 on:** April 24, 2008, 10:22:56 PM »

Jess I guess you misinterpreted my post lol.

By take the game seriously, I meant take it to the next level.

Theres nothing wrong with bowling one THS league a week and taking it deadly serious. But you have to realize that in order to take your game to the next level you have to compete on a much tougher shot, something I wish I got to do more often, as it would help my game tremendously. I never once in my post took an elitist attitude. I also never said I was great if you actually bothered to read my post lol.

EagleHunter · « **Reply #213 on:** April 24, 2008, 10:36:41 PM »

Tony,
If you wish to make personal attacks on my character based on the views I place here, that is your business. I have been on all sides of the business side of the sport, and all sides of the athletic endeavor as well. Do I consider myself an elite bowler? No, but I am a very good bowler who could probably throttle you with either hand...not that any of that matters. My views are based on what I've seen in my area (Metro Detroit) and around the country through my bowling travels, so perhaps my views are limited in that I don't have that "small town" view that many here seem to live with daily.

I got to witness a gentleman throw the front 10 at my team this last weekend. All the while my teammates and I were rooting him on as he shot 289 and proceeded to single-handedly give us a beat-down. Now if he had shot 300 would I have complained that the game is too easy?

No, but it is. I acknowledge without hesitation that my average is higher than it should be, and I believe that is the case for the about 95% of the bowling population. Perhaps that is because I look at "par" being 200, not 230 as some today view it. My average at Nationals is around 205 which is closer to what I think is my real average...in fact, when people ask me what my average is I typically quote my USBC Nationals average.

As I said earlier in this thread, if you want to call me an elitist I readily accept. I want the SPORT of bowling to grow, and will admit that you can have the GAME of bowling for yourself. The problem is that most of you want to call it a game, want to pay less for membership, yet want SPORT-like recognition and awards. You cannot have it both ways...

zerorev · « **Reply #214 on:** April 24, 2008, 10:52:56 PM »

I think many of you are trying to lump the GAME of bowling in with the SPORT of bowling. Two completely different beasts. When you sanction you are saying you take bowling more seriously than a game. The game was built and is maintained by your 140-160 bowlers they are the ones who spends the most money. WHY? because there are more of them. The sport was built and maintained by the guys mentioned by Eagle. But who supports the pros? those same 140-160 bowlers. Will they notice a tougher condition? NO THEY WILL NOT. THEN WHO WOULD NOTICE? The guys averaging 190-2??. If those guys quit because of tougher conditions they never really loved the sport in the first place. And if all they want to do is shoot high scores go join a fun non sanctioned league.As for handicap the telephone number scores cause the problems with handicap. If scoring would be kept in check handicap would not be such an issue.

titletowncards · « **Reply #215 on:** April 24, 2008, 10:55:25 PM »

I just bowled a local Pro-am tournament with Parker Bohn III and Norm Duke. Both of them absolutely ripped up the shot,(when they were trying), and it is locally known as a "tough" place to shoot good scores. It was amazing to watch these two Professionals do what they do so well.
I only wish I had the talent to do what they do. I think the PBA has created a good system to promote their Sport, and bowling on the PBA is a sport.
I don't care to be on either side of this line that been created. Both the THS and Sport Bowling have there place in the bowling world.
The question is not which is better or worse.

It's, how can the USBC and we the bowling public get more people interested in bowling again.
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TDC57 · « **Reply #216 on:** April 24, 2008, 10:58:58 PM »

Eagle

Again you prove to be the zero everybody here thinks you are. Bowling is a game as is basketball, baseball, golf, football etc. Playing it or them at a higher level does not change it or them to a sport. They are all sports no matter who plays them. Get it? Plays them. Games are played. If you want to get into semantics I'll leave that for you to beat yourself up over. Since your about 17 years old maybe you need to work on your intelligence as hard as you want to work on your bowling game. If your older than 17, you're just the blow hard big mouth that's ruining bowling. Just saying "I am a very good bowler who could probably throttle you with either hand shows how big an Azz you are." I wish we lived closer to each other as I would like to take you up on that offer.

I also found that guys that have to brag on themselves usually don't live up to the hype. You don't even have the guts to enter a profile. Life probably doesn't live up to the hype there either. I will continue to call you an elitist and a snob because you are what you are. I also don't believe for a minute you have been involved on the business side of bowling either. You wouldn't sound so stupid or make such unintelligent statements if you had. The only side you've been on is the one where the big blowhard comes to the lanes each night and acts like everyone should kiss his feet for him allowing them to be in his presence.

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302efi · « **Reply #217 on:** April 24, 2008, 11:24:53 PM »

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When all else fails, comment on the lack of a profile. A profile proves nothing.

"Chad Williams has not entered a profile "

lol

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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.

Sport Bowling is a F**king joke

JessN16 · « **Reply #218 on:** April 24, 2008, 11:31:06 PM »

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I am a very good bowler who could probably throttle you with either hand...not that any of that matters.

Well, I guess that settles it. You could throttle someone with either hand. Glad to see we're all being adults about this.

Jess

TDC57 · « **Reply #219 on:** April 24, 2008, 11:33:13 PM »

Good post Chad. Informative yet a little uninspiring. I guess if I had been addressing a silly post by you it would have meant more to me.

TDC57 · « **Reply #220 on:** April 24, 2008, 11:37:34 PM »

You already have that figured out. I don't have to tell you.

TDC57 · « **Reply #221 on:** April 24, 2008, 11:41:51 PM »

Sorry it's getting late.

zerorev · « **Reply #222 on:** April 24, 2008, 11:45:04 PM »

I am sorry still laughing at Chad's profile
F'N HILARIOUS

bstone · « **Reply #223 on:** April 24, 2008, 11:58:48 PM »

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Atochabsh · « **Reply #224 on:** April 25, 2008, 01:13:17 AM »

I put in the honor scores for an association of nearly 10000 bowlers. And I've put in some pretty amazing feats. 137 average bowler with 11 in a row (290 game). Doesn't mean that easy lane conditions were at fault for their achievement more then just a combination of condition and luck and concentration on that nig,ht. However, I do know that the first 300 bowled in one of the houses I've played league at, the bowler was a lady (averaging around 170 at the time), throwing a back up ball, drunk off her stool, around 1963. First 300 in the house. What skill was involved in that?

My partner bowled 657 at age 13, in 1967. He had a lot of skills and still does. But he's not all about luck like some bowlers then and now. And 1971, shot 786. He's continued to average over 200 for 37 years straight summer and winter participation and despite a stroke 5 years ago. So those that have skills have them it doesn't matter the point in time. Its all about ability and drive. Doesn't matter about lane conditions. Lane conditions are all relative to what you see on that given day. And he doesn't believe that the sport shot will save USBC bowling. And YES he's bowled in a certified sport bowling league.

There is always going to be that balance between luck and skill in this game. It doesn't matter the lane conditions. On any given condition when everyone seems to struggle, someone will excell. So when you berate the 180 bowler for shooting 300, its just not right. No one was born being a 200+ average bowler and an accomplished Sport pattern bowler.

This forum is populated by a lot of younger bowlers. You have no idea how your bowling life is going to be 10, 25, or 40 years from now. You don't even know if you are going to be bowling anymore. I would just caution a lot of younger bowlers that you take a breather and absorb just a bit of what older more experienced bowlers are saying on both sides of this issue. If you don't think that sheer dumb luck was ever an issue "back in the good old days" then you are wrong.

Erin

JessN16 · « **Reply #225 on:** April 25, 2008, 01:36:04 AM »

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I put in the honor scores for an association of nearly 10000 bowlers. And I've put in some pretty amazing feats. 137 average bowler with 11 in a row (290 game). Doesn't mean that easy lane conditions were at fault for their achievement more then just a combination of condition and luck and concentration on that nig,ht. However, I do know that the first 300 bowled in one of the houses I've played league at, the bowler was a lady (averaging around 170 at the time), throwing a back up ball, drunk off her stool, around 1963. First 300 in the house. What skill was involved in that?

My partner bowled 657 at age 13, in 1967. He had a lot of skills and still does. But he's not all about luck like some bowlers then and now. And 1971, shot 786. He's continued to average over 200 for 37 years straight summer and winter participation and despite a stroke 5 years ago. So those that have skills have them it doesn't matter the point in time. Its all about ability and drive. Doesn't matter about lane conditions. Lane conditions are all relative to what you see on that given day. And he doesn't believe that the sport shot will save USBC bowling. And YES he's bowled in a certified sport bowling league.

There is always going to be that balance between luck and skill in this game. It doesn't matter the lane conditions. On any given condition when everyone seems to struggle, someone will excell. So when you berate the 180 bowler for shooting 300, its just not right. No one was born being a 200+ average bowler and an accomplished Sport pattern bowler.

This forum is populated by a lot of younger bowlers. You have no idea how your bowling life is going to be 10, 25, or 40 years from now. You don't even know if you are going to be bowling anymore. I would just caution a lot of younger bowlers that you take a breather and absorb just a bit of what older more experienced bowlers are saying on both sides of this issue. If you don't think that sheer dumb luck was ever an issue "back in the good old days" then you are wrong.

Erin

Great post.

The house I learned to bowl in is a 10-lane wood house with above-ground returns and until about five years ago, still oiled with a bug sprayer. It's approximately 55 years old or more, and has never had a 300 shot in it to my knowledge.

In 1990, when I was last in a league there, our very sweet league secretary, bowling off her 140 average, rolled what at the time was the highest game in the house's history -- 286. She threw 12-pound plastic right up the middle, backup. She would throw, turn around and walk back before the ball got to the pins (nice 7-mph ball speed). The reason she did that was because the kick bar in the old Brunswick A-1 machines didn't work and all 10 lanes had to be manually reset.

After it was over, the center put her name and score up on the scoreboard over the lanes, where it remained for at least three years. And it terribly embarrassed the poor woman, who didn't like the attention.

These stories might be anecdotal in nature but it points to a characteristic of bowling that doesn't exist in football, golf or any other sport: It is not possible to take pure, dumb luck out of the game no matter what the equipment or oil pattern is. And I don't just mean luck being a small component of the score, like wind is in golf or odd bounces are in football -- I mean entire games/nights/seasons often revolve around it.

If we could guarantee that a "perfect" ball would strike every time, it might be easier to demand sport conditions for all. But "perfect" shots get tapped, leave splits, etc., all the time. There is no way to get a true test of ability by laying down a single shot and decreeing, "this is what bowling shall be."

If tournaments and professional events are conducted on tough shots, that will weed out the pretenders. That's all that matters. I couldn't give a tinker's da*n what outsiders think about the sport and its scoring and those that do need to sack up a little and quit letting outside forces dictate whether they respect the sport, themselves and their own accomplishments.

Jess

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