Post by: imjouster on September 01, 2003, 12:45:29 AM
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Post by: charlest on September 01, 2003, 04:11:15 PM
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"Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it."
Post by: imjouster on September 01, 2003, 08:14:35 PM
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Post by: ThongPrincess on September 01, 2003, 08:26:30 PM
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Post by: scotts33 on September 01, 2003, 09:32:04 PM
I am on the Visionary Test Staff so don't go by what I say. I'll always support the lil guy aka Lane #1, Visionary, etal.
If you didn't know it imjouster...the Wonders family runs Visionary. Same people that took Faball to what they were...before resin equipment came along. Their cores in my book still will be the best. Always in the forefront of coverstock technology. But like charlest says take a look at the Visionary forum.
I've ben using Visionary equipment last 3 years and I can say honestly that I've NEVER had a ball that was overly tracked out or was oil soaked. I can't say the same for the so called big boys.
If, I wasn't using Visionary I'd be using Dynothane <Storm I gotta a probem> or Rotogrip.
Scott
Post by: 1tool on September 01, 2003, 09:43:55 PM
I have thrown Columbia, Brunswick, Storm, and Visionary all
in the last year and I have to say that the Green Gargoyle is an
outstanding and extremely versatile ball. I'm surprised more pro
shops haven't caught on to such a great product. I won't throw
Storm anymore, I have never been satisfied or impressed with their
stuff but that is just my personal opinion. Get a Visionary you won't
be disappointed.
Post by: livespive on September 01, 2003, 10:02:22 PM
I have been looking for a replacement for my Rhino T2 For many years now.
I have thrown storm, columbia, Faball, and even some of the newer brunswick balls. Then I was on this site and on bowlingballreviews.com and started reading about visionary, and decided to give them a try. I have been hooked
ever since. The executioner line looks to be a replacement for my T2, and I love the Warlock DC Tour. The staff is easy to work with. I have even been there to meet them(I live in ohio).
My advice to you would be:
1 Examine your game.
2 Examine the visionary website.
3 read the reviews here and on bowlingballreviews.com
Then make a choice, seeing as you are only buying one ball.
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Visionary Test Staff Member
Post by: charlest on September 01, 2003, 10:43:44 PM
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imjouster:
well my thought is if i asked what everyone thought about visionary in the Visionary forum then i would probably only get a bunch of visionary fans answering it. make sence?
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In a round-about way, yes.
I have owned one Crimson Exec and two Green Gargoyles. I drilled the CE and the first GG with a simple 4x4. Boht were allergic to oil, needed serious dry to make the turn, but when they made the turn they hit as hard as any ball I have owned. Boht were skid/flip in the most uncontrollable manner I have ever had balls do. I sold both; then because I could resist their lure no longer, bought another GG and drilled it 7x5.
The GG was now controllable but of such restricted use. I only used it to shoot two 600s in one ABC where almost no one on our two teeams came close to it.
Maybe they need a 10:30 drilling or a 1:30 would tame their reaction ....
I have enough bowling balls now, too many, but a Visionary comes to me in my dreams, just to haunt me now and again ...
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Edited on 9/1/2003 10:53 PM
Post by: Phillip Marlowe on September 02, 2003, 03:04:19 PM
Now, I gave a couple away and sold another couple and the people who have them love them. They are basically higher speed or lower rev players or players with a higher degree of axis rotation/tilt than I have, who can control the "dig" the coverstocks created better than I could. Let me put it this way, if you have a problem with early, strong rolling equipment, then you will have a problem with the Visionary stuff I have tried, despite getting better length.
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Post by: charlest on September 02, 2003, 04:37:55 PM
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Visionary. Tried a few. ... I am not a special fan. ...
They are basically higher speed or lower rev players or players with a higher degree of axis rotation/tilt than I have, who can control the "dig" the coverstocks created better than I could. Let me put it this way, if you have a problem with early, strong rolling equipment, then you will have a problem with the Visionary stuff I have tried, despite getting better length.
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I threw mine with a lot of side rotation at one point in time - made the backend more severe.
Your summary sounds like an Inferno ...
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Post by: A_P_K on September 02, 2003, 04:45:02 PM
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!
Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.
Post by: TOON on September 02, 2003, 04:48:20 PM
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on September 02, 2003, 05:48:28 PM
You sure that the gray one is not a Granite Gargoyle? It is a particle and was advertised to be like a urethane on steroids. The Executioners are the Crimson, Purple Ice, and Charcoal. Maybe it is a Charcoal but I dont think it would be gray, it had a black and gray swirl mixture, but mine was more black.
Post by: imjouster on September 02, 2003, 05:57:41 PM
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Post by: stormerjip on September 02, 2003, 10:48:32 PM
Post by: MI 2 AZ on September 03, 2003, 01:21:07 AM
You're right and I was wrong. It was the Ice Ex that they said that about and not the Granite. I've been getting a lot things wrong lately.
Post by: Nicanor on September 03, 2003, 01:31:05 AM
V/R,
Nicanor
Post by: MichiganBowling on September 03, 2003, 06:50:53 AM
EVERYBODY should try at LEAST one of these 3 balls--Green Gargoyle, Red Executioner, or Blue Gryhpon. Can't speak on the particle Gryphon yet, haven't thrown it.
The Green Gargoyle has simply been the best kept secret in the bowling industry for a couple of years now. I've drilled up two of them now and absolutely love them both!!! I'll be ordering another soon. The red executioner was an awesome ball as well. Not quite as versatile as the green gargoyle, but wow does it hit!!! I couldn't believe how well this ball carried. And the blue sparkle gryphon (recently drilled up) seems to give you the best of both worlds from the red ex and the green gargoyle. Smooth through the heads, big flip, and WHAMMO!!! I'd very highly recommend all 3 of these bowling balls to everyone.
The black executioner (haven't thrown one yet) has also done great things in the bowling world. I believe that was the ball that PBA staffer Michael Haugen has had great success with on the tour. My experience with the black executioner from seeing it thrown by locals is that it isn't ideal for house patterns, but is more than ideal for tougher lane conditions. It will give you an unfair advantage on sport shots and PBA patterns. hahaha. Seriously, it does appear that way.
I'm extremely impressed with Visionary in the year plus that I've been throwing their stuff. Now if they'll please please please bring back the DC Tour and make me a happy camper
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Post by: livespive on September 03, 2003, 09:46:11 AM
I have 3 DC tours, 1 DC Warlock, and a DC Schorcher, I love them all.
I need to see what they have left so I can get one more tour.
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Eric T. Spivey, P.E.
Visionary Test Staff Member