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lefty50

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Front to back vs side to side
« on: July 02, 2019, 11:06:49 AM »
Ok BR nation, help me wrap my addled brain cells around this better. I am not comfortable with my current belief of side-to-side vs front-to-back. Does f2b mean how early it reads the mids, or something else? What's your best definition and the relationship?
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Re: Front to back vs side to side
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2019, 11:19:11 AM »
Ok BR nation, help me wrap my addled brain cells around this better. I am not comfortable with my current belief of side-to-side vs front-to-back. Does f2b mean how early it reads the mids, or something else? What's your best definition and the relationship?
Thanks in advance

Granted far from an expert but front to back for me is seeing how far down the lane each of the transitions occur (skid to hook to roll) and how fast.
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Re: Front to back vs side to side
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2019, 11:51:10 AM »
To me, f2b means using the full length of the pattern to build the balls reaction so that it enters the pocket at the correct angle, instead of just bouncing it off the dry outsides to create the reaction.

 As long as you're on a “dry to the outsides” house shot, side to side can work. You get on an oily sport shot, and that goes away, you better be able to go lengthwise, or you'll be bagging up your stuff and going home really quickly.
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Re: Front to back vs side to side
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2019, 07:58:06 AM »
The way I look at it is if I am using the end of the pattern for my reaction (friction) then I am reading the lane front-to-back.  If I am using the outside of the pattern then I am reading the lane side-to-side.

Sport shots can end up with one needing to read the lane side-to-side after it has broken down.  Just the same, if one uses the inside flooded area of a house shot all the way to the end of the pattern then they are reading the lane front-to-back.

I don't see it as being dependent to the type of pattern, but more how I play the pattern.

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Re: Front to back vs side to side
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2019, 05:17:26 PM »
On flatter patterns, the end of the buff is the most important factor because it is going to determine the break point no matter what area of the lane you are playing.  On most house shots, you can effectively determine your break point by where you opt to get outside the oil line. 

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Re: Front to back vs side to side
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2019, 06:17:57 PM »
Ok BR nation, help me wrap my addled brain cells around this better. I am not comfortable with my current belief of side-to-side vs front-to-back. Does f2b mean how early it reads the mids, or something else? What's your best definition and the relationship?
Thanks in advance

This talks about side to side vs front to back.


USBC Gold coach Bryan O’Keefe and USBC Hall of Famer Carolyn Dorin-Ballard discuss the difference between strong and weak bowling balls and the common misconception of what it means for a ball to be considered strong.
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Re: Front to back vs side to side
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2019, 10:26:24 PM »
Great, thanks.....

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Re: Front to back vs side to side
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2019, 01:31:22 AM »
Aloarjr810, your video does not play for me.  When I copy the address, I see that it is pre-faced with this site's address before the youtube address.  The proper address (as you know) is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU6KlP2VRmw

Also, recently I tried the link to your Bowling Stuff site and it was not available.  Is there a new address?
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Re: Front to back vs side to side
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2019, 08:24:55 AM »
Just FYI, the video played ok for me, but appreciate the link in case others are having trouble accessing. I think I've got a better understanding overall of f2b now, but will need to apply it..

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Re: Front to back vs side to side
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2019, 09:29:01 AM »
Aloarjr810, your video does not play for me.  When I copy the address, I see that it is pre-faced with this site's address before the youtube address.  The proper address (as you know) is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU6KlP2VRmw

Also, recently I tried the link to your Bowling Stuff site and it was not available.  Is there a new address?

As for the video I posted the correct youtube address and it seems to be working for others, it must be something about your browser and or the website or youtube. Nothing i can do about it.

As for the bowling stuff webpage, earthlink quit hosting the users free webpage so the page is gone.

I haven't as of yet seen about finding another free website to host the page and files. When I do Ill post a notice.


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Re: Front to back vs side to side
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2019, 09:04:34 PM »
I tend to use the nationals patterns as a good analogy.  The team pattern is always side to side.  Transition management aside, there's a specific spot down lane you MUST get the ball to regardless of how you're playing the lanes or what balls you're using, you just have to get it to a certain breakpoint.  Whether you're playing dead up 5 or crossing 5th arrow, you've gotta get it to the same couple boards down lane to get the ball to the pocket, that's side to side.  The Doubles and Singles pattern is more front to back, you can play around a lot more with covers and surfaces and angles and ball shapes because it doesn't matter nearly as much where you get the ball to down lane as how you're getting it there.  You can play 5 as your breakpoint if you're going straighter with a lot of surface, or if you're playing tighter with shiny stuff, you can play in as far as 12, you just have to have the right matchup, shape, and have to be rolling it the right way to get it to act right, that's front to back. 

There's still no easy way to explain it.  With side to side, generally you have free shape, you just have to get it to the right spot down lane, with front to back, you have to create the shape yourself, but you have a lot more freedom with laneplay.  At least that's how I see it and treat it myself . . and it's not necessarily short patterns or flat patterns are side to side and longer or heavier patterns are front to back, some heavier patterns like Badger can be extremely side to side AND front to back at the same time.  You have to get it to a certain point down lane AND be doing the right things to make the ball shape up right at the end of the pattern.  Shorter patterns do tend to be side to side more often because the ball is going to hook, you just need to get it to the right spot, BUT in certain cases they're so short and there's so much friction that the ball will burn up and look like you're bowling on a flood unless you get it acting right yourself. 
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Re: Front to back vs side to side
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2019, 11:54:55 PM »
I tend to use the nationals patterns as a good analogy.  The team pattern is always side to side.  Transition management aside, there's a specific spot down lane you MUST get the ball to regardless of how you're playing the lanes or what balls you're using, you just have to get it to a certain breakpoint.  Whether you're playing dead up 5 or crossing 5th arrow, you've gotta get it to the same couple boards down lane to get the ball to the pocket, that's side to side.  The Doubles and Singles pattern is more front to back, you can play around a lot more with covers and surfaces and angles and ball shapes because it doesn't matter nearly as much where you get the ball to down lane as how you're getting it there.  You can play 5 as your breakpoint if you're going straighter with a lot of surface, or if you're playing tighter with shiny stuff, you can play in as far as 12, you just have to have the right matchup, shape, and have to be rolling it the right way to get it to act right, that's front to back. 

There's still no easy way to explain it.  With side to side, generally you have free shape, you just have to get it to the right spot down lane, with front to back, you have to create the shape yourself, but you have a lot more freedom with laneplay.  At least that's how I see it and treat it myself . . and it's not necessarily short patterns or flat patterns are side to side and longer or heavier patterns are front to back, some heavier patterns like Badger can be extremely side to side AND front to back at the same time.  You have to get it to a certain point down lane AND be doing the right things to make the ball shape up right at the end of the pattern.  Shorter patterns do tend to be side to side more often because the ball is going to hook, you just need to get it to the right spot, BUT in certain cases they're so short and there's so much friction that the ball will burn up and look like you're bowling on a flood unless you get it acting right yourself.

Wow thanks for this.  +1
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