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Title: What about the new equipment cycle?
Post by: lefty50 on March 20, 2020, 12:07:26 PM
Since I haven't seen this obvious topic come up yet.....

We're flooded with new equipment every 3 months... Some more, some less. We're seeing alleys close everywhere, and already lots of reports about new equipment not being able to be thrown (Redemption Solid and others for example). If the paranoia continues, and it logically will, followed by further delays returning to the lanes, what will happen to both the current generation of new equipment when no one gets to throw them, and the never-ending pipeline of the next greatest rock? Will the current crop be lost to the next greatest thing, or will the vendors hit pause on the cycle?
Thoughts?
Title: Re: What about the new equipment cycle?
Post by: milorafferty on March 20, 2020, 12:28:27 PM
The current new stuff will probably get ignored.

This might be the death blow for the new venture, "BIG Bowling".
Title: Re: What about the new equipment cycle?
Post by: TWOHAND834 on March 20, 2020, 01:31:15 PM
My thought is this.  With Bowl Expo only being a few months away; I cant see companies producing new lines of balls when the current new stuff is still just sitting around.  Someone is going to be losing tons of money whether it is the companies, distributors, or even both. They now have thousands of balls taking up space in their warehouses not going anywhere.  If that is the case; then I dont see much of anything new being released until Bowl Expo providing that isn't cancelled and some of the current new stuff starts moving.  I could be wrong but it is just my thought.
Title: Re: What about the new equipment cycle?
Post by: billdozer on March 20, 2020, 04:44:31 PM
I'm waiting fire sales on the current stuff.  🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: What about the new equipment cycle?
Post by: AlonzoHarris on March 20, 2020, 05:09:42 PM
Wasn't going to be anymore new stuff till Bowl Expo anyways, at least for Storm/RG release schedule. This might not actually have much effect on it.
Title: Re: What about the new equipment cycle?
Post by: northface28 on March 20, 2020, 05:34:47 PM
My thought is this.  With Bowl Expo only being a few months away; I cant see companies producing new lines of balls when the current new stuff is still just sitting around.  Someone is going to be losing tons of money whether it is the companies, distributors, or even both. They now have thousands of balls taking up space in their warehouses not going anywhere.  If that is the case; then I dont see much of anything new being released until Bowl Expo providing that isn't cancelled and some of the current new stuff starts moving.  I could be wrong but it is just my thought.

With the amount of job losses I agree totally with this assessment.
Title: Re: What about the new equipment cycle?
Post by: lefty50 on March 20, 2020, 06:09:13 PM
That's the point though. New stuff now, new stuff coming at Bowl Expo, and they won't miss that chance, even if Expo is cancelled probably. So Axiom, Redemption, etc, etc, will be basically untested and up against the next cycle, right?
Title: Re: What about the new equipment cycle?
Post by: Juggernaut on March 20, 2020, 09:29:21 PM
They closed the border from Texas to Mexico, so no Brunswick shipping out for a while.
Title: Re: What about the new equipment cycle?
Post by: northface28 on March 20, 2020, 10:12:13 PM
They closed the border from Texas to Mexico, so no Brunswick shipping out for a while.

Couldn’t of happened to nicer group of guys.
Title: Re: What about the new equipment cycle?
Post by: MI 2 AZ on March 20, 2020, 11:02:10 PM
They closed the border from Texas to Mexico, so no Brunswick shipping out for a while.

Couldn’t of happened to nicer group of guys.

Sorry to burst your happy bubble dance.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced Friday that all non-essential travel would be banned across the shared border between Mexico and the United States.


“Both our countries know the importance of working together to limit the spread of this virus,” Pompeo said Friday, adding that the efforts would still ensure commerce would continue to support “our economy to keep it flowing.”

This action will go into place Saturday, March 21.


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Title: Re: What about the new equipment cycle?
Post by: SG17 on March 20, 2020, 11:39:28 PM
Does anyone think it’s silly to be talking about this considering bowling centers are shut down and that there’s an important issues at stake right now ?

I think that there are plenty of venues to discuss COVID-19 and other serious issues.  and discussing bowling, bowling balls and the like on a bowling forum is just fine
Title: Re: What about the new equipment cycle?
Post by: SVstar34 on March 21, 2020, 12:24:00 AM
Does anyone think it’s silly to be talking about this considering bowling centers are shut down and that there’s an important issues at stake right now ?

Silly to talk bowling on a bowling forum? No.
Title: Re: What about the new equipment cycle?
Post by: charlest on March 21, 2020, 11:04:28 AM
I just heard from a friend in VA that his PSO told him Bowl Expo has been cancelled. Yeah, too many levels removed from the source, so I'd regard it strictly as a rumor for now.
Title: Re: What about the new equipment cycle?
Post by: Luke Rosdahl on March 21, 2020, 12:55:26 PM
I'd believe it, it was terrible scheduling to begin with, let alone what's going on now. 

I just heard from a friend in VA that his PSO told him Bowl Expo has been cancelled. Yeah, too many levels removed from the source, so I'd regard it strictly as a rumor for now.
Title: Re: What about the new equipment cycle?
Post by: Average Joe Reviews on March 21, 2020, 07:21:35 PM
Today, someone who works in the industry told me the same thing. Bowl Expo will be cancelled. Expect an announcement in a week or two.
Title: Re: What about the new equipment cycle?
Post by: TWOHAND834 on March 21, 2020, 08:06:47 PM
That's the point though. New stuff now, new stuff coming at Bowl Expo, and they won't miss that chance, even if Expo is cancelled probably. So Axiom, Redemption, etc, etc, will be basically untested and up against the next cycle, right?

https://www.replaymag.com/bowl-expo-trade-show-cancelled-meeting-still-on/

As you can see the Expo has been cancelled.  So there are going to be questions left unanswered until the virus gets under control.  However; if it were me, I would sort of combine the 2 cycles.  Maybe the summer cycle you would not produce the usual amount of new balls to introduce and instead, you take balls like the Axiom, Authority, Outlook, Latitude, and others and add a few to go along with them?  It's hard to say.  But at the end of the day; there are those balls that were released in January and February that need to be pushed even if at some discount.  Otherwise I don't see how you could introduce several new rocks with so many "older" ones still sitting around unsold.  I know from having worked at a distributor that balls goes on closeout lists almost monthly to make room for the new releases.  But I can't see balls only having been on the market for 3 months already going on that list just to make room for a new cycle.  Those balls like the Redemptions need to see the light of day and ball companies, especially Ebowick, need the opportunity to get a return on the time and money invested into producing those balls.  Whatever the case may be; I am sure CEOs like Mr. Chrisman will make an intelligent decision in the coming weeks as to what direction they are going to go in.
Title: Re: What about the new equipment cycle?
Post by: Bo.Wler on March 22, 2020, 11:02:18 PM
I bought the Redemption solid.  I managed to get 20 games on it before Covid shut down the centers. So its sitting in.my bowling bag on my bedroom floor.

Sad part its really only been a week tomorrow that all the centers in my area were closed because of Covid.  But it seems like 6 months.😟

On the upside I was able to use my Redemption solid enough before this forced hiatus to know I like mine.😁 At least on the heavy volume, and long oil pattern sport shots. House patterns were more of a mixed bag.

Dragon 6 games good.👍🏻👍🏻

Chameleon 3 games before the shut down.  Still good.👍🏻👍🏻 I had half a dozen poorly timed bad shots. But those were bowler error. The ball can't do everything for you.


11 games between standard house pattern and burned up late night open play practice.  Mixed bag
👍🏻👎🏻 Not a total disaster not stellar either.  You really need to be light hand with the redemption solid.  On anything that is not a heavy oil volume and or a longer sport shot.

Which is something I have a difficult time doing.

Really though all that means is the ball is as advertised a ball for heavy oil.

🤔🤔 Maybe I should have put those observations about the ball in the review section Oh well.🤘🏻