I'm sure this has been covered before but I couldn't find anything on it. I used to get maybe 7-8 8-pin leaves a season. It was a pretty rare leave for me. Just recently got a new ball and I've left 6 of them in the past 4 weeks. And just as Murphy's law would imply, they seem to come at the most inopportune time possible..... What causes solid 8-pin leaves and what do I need to adjust?  Or is it something that's more of an abberation and I should just live with it and hope they don't pop up.
Digs
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Scott--Since, I know more than others on the lane condition you bowl on at Dream Lanes.  I'll explain why I think you leave 8's.

The big puddle in the middle that Robin creates along with the super dry to the outside gives you a lot of tug room insdie and to much entry angle from the outside as soon as you get the ball to that outside friction area.  

Ball is sliding to much from the inside and to much drive from outside.  Then, add the carry down problem you will incur because it's old wood with Guardian overlay and you have multiple issues to deal with.  This is always why no handed fluffers kill Dream Lanes cuz they fluff it right up the track usign that transition area on 10 board as their guide to the 1-3.  Most ALL high scores shot in that house are rolled in that area.

So, you leave 8's for two reasons in that house.  With your technique loft in the heads ball not into a heavy enough roll mid lane because of your technique and ball sliding in Robin's big puddle and you can't move far enough outside or the ball will bite in his wet/dry condition.  It's an over/under situation.  I'll bet on the shots where you leave 8's you eithetr are in the puddle to long or carry down from the wood/Guardian overlay is effecting your roll into the pocket.  

FWIW--few years back there I left successive 8 pins in 3 frames in a row with a Charcoal Executioner.  Same kind of area you are trying to play with the same type of ball.  

Way to play that place is on the oil line on 10 board....most try to hook the ball to much in that over/under house.  Ask Rob he fights it all season.  

High scores, I shot there were with a Violet Gargoyle 105 deg. layout 12 to 8 very tight line for me and Green Blue Centaur in the dry lots of speed on 8-9 board straight down and in.  

I bet if you play there 80% to 90% of the time you'll shoot big scores and won't leave 8 pins maybe some 9's but not many 8's.  Of course, the ball you are using hooks to much for that scenario.  Of the DT line I'd try there it would be an Energy.  

BTW--I am not saying you can't shoot decent scores there mid 600's but for the over 700 and high 700's and 800's you'll need to move to that area of the lane and play it tight.  


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Scott

I had the front 11 and i left one!!!!  Since ive switched to 15, i have not seen an 8 to date
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Fireguy, I'm not disagreeing with what you say. What I'm saying is that the 5 doesn't take out the 8 on a stone 8 leave, because the headpin knocks the 5 out of the way before the ball can get to it. Look at the videos, you'll see what I'm talking about.
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