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Russell

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Thanks Ebonite....
« on: May 17, 2011, 12:41:22 PM »
For flooding the market with more bowling balls that really don't roll different than the last 1,428 pieces you've released.  God forbid we try and find a way to make balls last more than 80 games before they crap out on people, instead lets just convince them they need to spend $200 on something that is new (new = recycled technology) and "better".

 

Yes I know other companies do the same thing...but not to this level.  The game is dying and Ebonite is holding its head under the water.


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Gazoo

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Re: Thanks Ebonite....
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2011, 03:35:50 PM »
Ebonite only released 3: Signals, Game Changer, Cyclone

 For someone who throws Columbia 300, Track, Hammer, that would do them no good. Are you saying that the equpiment being released from the Ebonite International umbrella companies are exactly the same(cores and coverstock formulations) ? Each of those umbrella companies have a loyal customer base, are you saying that some of them should be ignored when releasing new equipment?

 

P.S. Also think you will be hard pressed to find an asymetrical core with a strong coverstock at the price point of the Cyclone from any other manufacturer. Not all the releases are" $200 ".
 


 

Edited by Gazoo on 5/18/2011 at 3:41 PM
 
Edited by Gazoo on 5/18/2011 at 3:51 PM

kidlost2000

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Re: Thanks Ebonite....
« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2011, 05:44:57 PM »
The thought is that most people don't see them as four different companies. I would be curious to know besides in name, what the covers of each company are made of and how they compare to each other. I seriously doubt the covers are that different. Mainly because of the expense that goes into developing the coverstocks. It would be much easier to have similar or same covers that are only slightly modified if at all for different companies under that umbrella. Could be wrong, but am curious. 
 
 


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JessN16

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Re: Thanks Ebonite....
« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2011, 06:40:49 PM »
This is one of those rare cases when everyone is right. Ebonite is indeed a business and owes no one anything in regards to staying in business beyond providing a product the public will buy. But fast-dying bowling balls are a real problem and the market is over-saturated with product.
 
Here's the real problem: Not everyone is a "ball whore" who invests $200-$400 in arsenal equipment every year. Of the league bowlers I'm around -- even the ones of fairly high ability -- only about 10-20 percent frequently buy new gear. Far more of them buy a ball every couple of years no matter how many times per week they bowl. And then there are the ones that only buy stuff when their old balls literally break I just finished bowling against a guy Monday night who is booking 200-210 with a purple Quake.
 
The person it screws over is the guy who drops $200 on a ball and thinks he's made a long-term investment because that's the way the game was during his youth. He goes out and rolls lights-out for 50 games while the ball is fresh, but then starts getting ball death and by the second year, he's now rolling something that doesn't perform. Unless he's aware of WHY this is happening, he may very well get frustrated with the game and question his abilities.
 
And then we get easier lane conditions, and are left to wonder why (it's no mystery -- the house puts out something everyone can score on, since not everyone can buy balls necessary to play more difficult shots). 
 
FWIW, I don't believe all ball companies experience "ball death" the same way. From personal observation, it is more prevalent in Ebonite gear than the others.
 
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Re: Thanks Ebonite....
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2011, 07:05:53 PM »
If everyone used plastic we wouldnt have this problem lol 
 
 







Brickguy221

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Re: Thanks Ebonite....
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2011, 07:34:34 PM »
Not true on the Mission... I can show you a lot of Missions here locally that have well over 100 games and still perform. In fact I know of one person that has one with well over 200 games and it still performs and not even close to puking and dying.
 



Russell wrote on 5/18/2011 12:27 PM:
I'm referring to Ebonite Intl, and yes I know this has been going on for years, but it has gotten MUCH worse in the past few.  I personally think it's the main reason the game is dying.  People get tired of buying new balls and them lasting one season, or less god forbid they bowl more than 3 games a week.  Golf has become cheaper because of this happening.


 


As far as the "I've been throwing Ebo since 1983 and never had one die"...well you've obviously not thrown anything high end in the past 5 years, because the XL covers (Missions, Evolves), and most Hammer covers last 100 games max before they completely puke out and die.  I have never seen a Mission roll good past 100 games.


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Re: Thanks Ebonite....
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2011, 08:19:59 PM »
I think some of the problems in equipment for some people from any manufacture is ball maintenance. Some require more then others(especially hook monsters) Most people aren't up to date on this aspect of the bowling game these days and may never be.
 
Gone are the days of just wiping it off with a towel and occasionally throwing some alcohol on it to keep up on ball maintenance.
 


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sunsetlefty

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Re: Thanks Ebonite....
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2011, 08:50:18 PM »
Proper bowling ball maintenance IS a big factor.

 

The largest pro shop in my area (in terms of retail sales), still uses acetone to clean bowling balls in their pro shop.

 

They still preach that acetone is the correct cleaning substance to be used. They still sell hundreds of bowling balls that exhibit ball death. It doesn't matter whether it is Storm, Ebonite, 900Global, etc.

 

 


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