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Title: What is your targeting system?
Post by: TamerBowling on May 08, 2010, 01:59:20 AM
Hi All. Here's something most of us can work on in the summer

Seriously though, it's one of those topics that need to be discussed especially to help intermediate bowlers.  House bowlers tend to become fixated on "hitting their mark" but sometimes I don't think they understand the concept of a targeting system", i.e., using the arrows and the breakpoint.

Please have a read of this short article and let me know what you think.

http://tamerbowling.com/index.php/what-is-your-targeting-system/

Thanks again.
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Title: Re: What is your targeting system?
Post by: ImakeA2srun on May 08, 2010, 09:54:11 PM
I think its terrible. You are bombarding beginer bowlers with too much information,a classic coaching mistake. All you need is the arrows. Breakpoint can be moved by feet to target orientation. Plus all you wantto do is roll the ball towards the target, and make a good release.
Title: Re: What is your targeting system?
Post by: alloutsmith3 on May 08, 2010, 10:13:32 PM
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I think its terrible. You are bombarding beginer bowlers with too much information,a classic coaching mistake. All you need is the arrows. Breakpoint can be moved by feet to target orientation. Plus all you wantto do is roll the ball towards the target, and make a good release.


Actually using a breakpoint is great for targerting. Bowling is about angles and you can't create an angle with a single point. If you don't believe this is true maybe you should read some of Joe Slowinski's articles on the 3 point targeting system. Heres the links:

http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/stories/slowinski_nov_08.pdf
http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/stories/slowinski_btm_june_2007_36-41_3point_targeting.pdf

The first article actually includes C.A.T.S. data from before and after using multiple targets.
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Title: Re: What is your targeting system?
Post by: ImakeA2srun on May 08, 2010, 10:16:32 PM
Nevermind you guys didnt even read the original post, its like talking to a brick wall.
Title: Re: What is your targeting system?
Post by: Crash7189 on May 08, 2010, 10:24:39 PM
I went to kegal last year and worked with Joe Slowinski. He taught me the following. It help me greatly on a sport shot.
 http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/stories/slowinski_btm_june_2007_36-41_3point_targeting.pdf

And

http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/stories/slowinski_btm_march08_quiet_eye.pdf

We Started on the 40 ft Highway to hell pattern My cats looked like a shot gun blast after the 1st round. After Joe taught us the 3pt & quiet eye by the end of the day I was hitting  boards 7.9 to 8.1 for ten straight shots. Some people can read an article and get it right away. I did to try it on the lanes with a coach. I learn by doing. Take it for what it is worth it made my Sport shot game better.
Title: Re: What is your targeting system?
Post by: Smash49 on May 08, 2010, 11:43:13 PM
Currently I am coaching a University team and this was our work out for last week.  We taught how to hit a target at 39ft.  The method we used was the Slowinski 3 point system combined with Ritgers drift methods.  We put 2 pieces of tape 39ft. down the lane.  The tape was placed 3 boards apart.  The object was to hit both pieces.  Our students on average hit both pieces of tape 9 out of 10 times.  

The Slowinski method works well and combining it with personal drift it is amazing.  

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Title: Re: What is your targeting system?
Post by: alloutsmith3 on May 08, 2010, 11:43:25 PM
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Nevermind you guys didnt even read the original post, its like talking to a brick wall.


I read it and understood it, you obviously either didn't read it or didn't understand it. But thats OK, you keep telling yourself that the arrows are the only targets that matter and they are all you need.
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Title: Re: What is your targeting system?
Post by: MrPerfect on May 09, 2010, 09:07:30 AM
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Currently I am coaching a University team and this was our work out for last week.  We taught how to hit a target at 39ft.  The method we used was the Slowinski 3 point system combined with Ritgers drift methods.  We put 2 pieces of tape 39ft. down the lane.  The tape was placed 3 boards apart.  The object was to hit both pieces.  Our students on average hit both pieces of tape 9 out of 10 times.  

The Slowinski method works well and combining it with personal drift it is amazing.  

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I use the same system, and yes it is amazing. Makes targeting with a drift really easy.
Title: Re: What is your targeting system?
Post by: Tex on May 09, 2010, 11:08:47 AM
I was taught to play the break point a little different a few years back. Really made a big difference on my accuracy when playing the deep inside line. Susie Minshew taught to play staight lines through your target to a location at the pins. Your breakpoint is a location along that line. I think one of the biggest mistakes a lot of bowlers make is thinking they have to be square to the foul line, not their target line. This technique makes explaining that difference much easier. I was already a plus average but always struggled when I had to move left of 15 and even between 10 and 15 was more difficult. Now days and within a few months of practice after that session my A game is easily between  15 and 20. The concept can work pointing off the gutter as easy as lofting the other.
Title: Re: What is your targeting system?
Post by: piquabowling on May 09, 2010, 11:56:12 AM
I was taught on hitting the arrow when i was a kid. I teach my high school team some old but mostly new school. I teach them the most important thing to do is to hit your mark. What is your mark and most of them say the 2nd arrow. Well I teaching them thats great but watch where your ball turns up at the breakpoint. If you are watching where it turns over you can adjust that way and be consistant hitting that mark in your score a little more higher. So I really like teaching both parts at the beginning stage hitting the arrows but when your getting better and more consistant you need to learn how to adjust from the break point.
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Title: Re: What is your targeting system?
Post by: TamerBowling on May 09, 2010, 03:23:38 PM
Hi All.  Thanks for the feedback.  Very good references to Slowinski and Clifton.  
I tried to start out slowly to help intermediate bowlers understand there is more to this than the arrows, which most understood  These are the concepts bowlers need to really advance their game.  
Hopefully, in future articles I will expand the concepts.    
Keep the comments coming.  These additional references and readings will help bowlers and that's ultimately what I'm hoping to do.

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Title: Re: What is your targeting system?
Post by: snowspike1 on May 09, 2010, 04:06:14 PM
i remember growing up my parents were like "hit the arrow " "be square with the foul line"


never worked for me.  The difference of their game and mine (old vs newer)

my targeting once i quite lisening to them has always been arrows & bp but the problem i had was the range of bowling balls had to remove the sweeping hook with the later hooking for a better fit.

as of now i generally still use it but find having  a 3 point (dots,arrows and bp) is more useful for drier or tougher shots (for me to get straighter)
Title: Re: What is your targeting system?
Post by: BrianCRX90 on May 10, 2010, 08:49:33 AM
depends on your game but you should use two points of reference on the lane to create the angle desired. I went latley from using the arrows/boards to a breakpoint to using the boards in front of the arrow to the arrows/boards but have been working on a straighter game.
Title: Re: What is your targeting system?
Post by: insidedrive on May 10, 2010, 09:23:38 AM
I actually thought this article did a good job of "introducing" the idea of multiple targets.  I disagree that it''s too much information, I think it''s a great way to help beginners and others learn multiple targets.

One thing that I''ve noticed is that none of the other posted articles talks about or mentions where you lay the ball down.  You could have 15 targets on the lane and if you don''t know where you are laying the ball down at the foul line it won''t matter.  

Many people posted about creating angles etc, and that''s absolutely correct.  When I target I use a 4 target system:

1. Where I lay the ball down at the foul line
2. A board at the dots
3. A board at the arrows
4. My breakpoint

This allows me to draw a line from the foul line all the way to my breakpoint. If I don''t know where I am laying the ball down at the foul line then I can''t draw that line correctly.  This line will be different for everyone.  I lay the ball down 5 boards right of my slide foot.  Some people lay it down 10 boards, 12 boards, or less, 3 boards, or 2 boards depending on the type of release they have.  Anyone who has played a sport shot and tried to throw past an arrow to a breakpoint and constantly washed out, you may want to take a look at where you set the ball down and you may be sending the ball too far right even if you''re hitting your target at the arrows.  

This system has greatly helped my game.  It wasn''t easy, I had to video myself, watch where I lay the ball down, test my marks by throwing different shots to see the reaction.  However once you get it down it''s easy to make big moves on any kind of shot because it''s just creating a new line, and a new angle.

The original post done here starts off this process, however there is more to it than just having 2 targets.

Hopefully this information helps someone, if not then good luck with your game and I''d be curious to hear what your system is.



Edited on 5/10/2010 12:08 PM
Title: Re: What is your targeting system?
Post by: BrianCRX90 on May 10, 2010, 11:59:26 AM
quote:
IOne thing I've noticed that none of the other posted articles talk about either is that no one mentions where you lay the ball down.  You could have 15 targets on the lane and if you don't know where you are laying the ball down at the foul line it won't matter.  



Well said!
Title: Re: What is your targeting system?
Post by: mainzer on May 10, 2010, 11:59:58 AM
I target by looking at the desired break point first then draw a imaginary line back to the arrow then back from their to the release point. I then "aim" to throw the ball on that line,over the spot at the arrows, up to the desired break point then hopefully a strike.
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Title: Re: What is your targeting system?
Post by: Girlscout on May 11, 2010, 04:37:09 PM
Inside Drive

       Great post. I agree with you on knowing the laydown spot at the foul line.I read your profile. The videos you posted were excellent. There is a lot more than seeing a line to be accurate. Your approach and execution are very good IMO. Your swing path is right in the slot  from drop down to top and downswing. I have been messing up on this lately, so you are a good model.
  I suggest other posters check out your videos. Thanks for the post.

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Title: Re: What is your targeting system?
Post by: Zanatos1914 on May 11, 2010, 05:09:25 PM
Right now with my game -- I will try anything..

Thinking about switching bowling centers...  

Either I suck or I really suck...  There is a difference...  :-)
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Title: Re: What is your targeting system?
Post by: ImakeA2srun on May 11, 2010, 05:54:41 PM
Yea keep worrying about, breakpoint, midroll, laydown point,release point, as you average 195. Now I know why most of the users here are terrible bowlers, lol.
Title: Re: What is your targeting system?
Post by: ImakeA2srun on May 11, 2010, 05:56:30 PM
You guys are as laughable as the 35 handicapp golfer who is worried about keeping his left arm straight, lol,lol. Have fun bowling like crap the rest or you life.
Title: Re: What is your targeting system?
Post by: Crash7189 on May 11, 2010, 09:00:30 PM
Post what post. I was supposed read before I make a comment
Title: Re: What is your targeting system?
Post by: ImakeA2srun on May 12, 2010, 01:49:09 PM
I posted essentially what precision did and I was told I was a moron. Guess it depends who you are around here.
Title: Re: What is your targeting system?
Post by: TamerBowling on May 13, 2010, 08:44:33 AM
The ultimate goal is to throw a good ball and have the highest chance to strike.
I am trying to support bowlers in their quest to do this.  In theory, it's all simple: walking, throwing, etc.  But if we could all do it that well, there wouldn't be so many articles by so many different experts.

It's really not about bombarding bowlers with deep physics concepts. Besides, drawing a line between 2 points is hardly rocket science. But a bowler who wants to become more will need to understand the concept of the breakpoint and drawing a line from their target to their breakpoint.  While on a house shot you can use any of the three breakzones, but generally speaking, a certain area will score better than others in any given house, even on THS.

I can understand that some might say just let them throw at a single target.  Frankly on a house shot, many do that and can score pretty close to 200 because of the funneling effect of a THS.  But ultimately that will not advance your game.

If anybody is interested in advancing their game, continue to read articles on this topic.  I personally believe it's important to have a system that you feel comfortable with, whether it's a 2 point or 3 point or whatever aid you use.  That's why I'm introducing the topic.

I think what some are trying to say is to simplify not complicate.  I wholly agree with this.  However, to simplify requires you to understand what you are simplifying.  Some may accept "ignorance is bliss", but I don't personally subscribe to this if you would really like to get better at this sport of ours.  Ultimately, each bowler needs to take in what they can and not overwhelm themselves.  You decide what you can handle...
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